Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You people are crazy. Hulk doesn't have unlimited stamina and eventually even after years will tire. Juggs on the other hand has invulnerability AND unlimited stamina plus shield. To me this is quite clear that eventually Juggs wins this
Wolverine has fought the Hulk almost as many times as the Thing, and he said that he noticed that the Hulk's hide had gotten tougher and harder to cut. It is obvious that he becomes tougher, harder to cut and heals faster as his adrenaline levels raise.
In a normal fight including BFr id say that hulk wud win via superior strength. Howver in a fight to the death, NO BFr then id have to give it to juggy via durability and stamina.. One thing i do have a problem with is the whole notion that Juggernaut has limitless strength. This notion is directly contradicted by the fact that juggernaut does not have all the power of cyttorak and the fact that he becomes stronger when he gains access to more power. If he is accessing the full power of cyttorak then i have no problem believing that he has limitless strength but it is ridiculous to believe that normal classic jugs has limitless strength. Hulk strength on the other hand has been confirmed to be limitless by the Classic beyonder who scanned the hulk and confirmed he had infinite power( obviously he means strength) inside him.
Originally posted by Nihilist
ssj hulk got pwnd by a satelite,also ssj hulks footstomp broke land mass yet they didnt effect the heroes stood close by.
Those satellites i believe were to hulk into banner transform hulk into banner. Also his footsteps caused an earthquake that nearly destroyed the eastcoast. But since the pressure was being applied to the ground and not directly to the heroes then the worst that shud have happened wud be that a few of them wud be thrown back or rocked but certainly not hurt greatly. If he had stepped on them it wud hve bin anoda stroy entirely though.
Either stalemate, Juggernaut wins or Hulk wins through battle field removal (B.F.R)...........
With his Force Field and invulnerability enchantment.......Hulk can simply not harm Juggernaut through physical attacks.......
But Juggernaut can harm Hulk.......but all damage would be taken care of by the Healing Factor.........is it possible for the Juggernaut to knock out Hulk.......maybe but this incarnation is the strongest incarnation of Hulk.......
Hulk can defeat Cain through battle field removal (B.F.R) like he did in World War Hulk: X-men.......
^ If this was the strongest incarnation of Hulk, even War Hulk proved to be stronger than Juggernaut. And World War Hulk was denting his armor. You could even hear the sound effects of him crushing the armor with applied pressure in the scans I posted on the previous armor. He could harm Juggernaut, just as Juggernaut could harm him. It's a stalemate even with his higher durability, which is offset by WWH's superior strength.
Originally posted by NihilistWow. Just wow. These were satellites that were actually attuned to his gamma signature, which had to be disabled by his Warbound before they even set foot on Earth and Stark could only regain control of AFTER Sentry destroyed the Warbound's ship.
ssj hulk got pwnd by a satelite,also ssj hulks footstomp broke land mass yet they didnt effect the heroes stood close by.
And lulz for using collateral damage to heroes as a gauge for power. Gimme a break. Superman Prime was kicking the crap outta Ion and they barely destroyed a graveyard. He wasn't even attacking the heroes for crissakes! He was stepping his mere foot down and didn't want to break the world and had to wait for Iron Man to end it all! Did you even forget that the Manhattan Island actually had to be saved by Hercules after World War Hulk because the fault lines were breaking? Just... just wow.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Oh I see. May I have a scan where World War Hulk got tired? Or do you have a scan of even Savage Hulk being exhausted? Hell... even Professor Hulk fought the forces of Hel for days on end before they escaped.
You're kind of kicking yourself here. Hulk BURNED OUT fighting Sentry. Without a major thing angering him, he isn't going to get a big strength jump.
And as said by two different editors, Juggs also has the ability to increase his strength.
Edit: Hulk also burned out after cracking Onslaught's Armor.
Originally posted by Ptr_GrifinYou act like being burned out by Sentry is a low feat. And Juggernaut got beat by being covered in wet concrete by Spiderman. He also got ktfo by Onslaught. Your point?
You're kind of kicking yourself here. Hulk BURNED OUT fighting Sentry. Without a major thing angering him, he isn't going to get a big strength jump.And as said by two different editors, Juggs also has the ability to increase his strength.
Edit: Hulk also burned out after cracking Onslaught's Armor.
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
You're kind of kicking yourself here. Hulk BURNED OUT fighting Sentry. Without a major thing angering him, he isn't going to get a big strength jump.And as said by two different editors, Juggs also has the ability to increase his strength.
Edit: Hulk also burned out after cracking Onslaught's Armor.
Really if the editors say it but never represent it on panel it means next nothin. Hulk also did not burn himself out against onsluaght, The psionic explosion seperated him from banner
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You act like being burned out by Sentry is a low feat. And Juggernaut got beat by being covered in wet concrete by Spiderman. He also got ktfo by Onslaught. Your point?
The point is Hulk has been shown to tire out. I don't know where you get this idea of "acting" like this is a low feat considering I never said it was or implied. Also, Hulk has been KO'd by a Cement truck thrown at him by Spider-Man. Cement is deadly.
Onslaught is a psychic entity. It isn't a surpise the he could knock out Juggs.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Really if the editors say it but never represent it on panel it means next nothin.
It pretty much has been shown on panel. Juggs mentioned his strength increasing in the 1st Hulk/Jugg fight. Then on the 8th Day. People claim it was an Cyttorak raising his power but it wasn't. It was Cain more focused and drawing on more of his own power. Cyttorak himself has said he isn't the one who restricts his power. But unlike Hulk, Juggs isn't a famous hero and isn't in many books. So you're not going to get alot of instances.
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
The point is Hulk has been shown to tire out. I don't know where you get this idea of "acting" like this is a low feat considering I never said it was or implied. Also, Hulk has been KO'd by a Cement truck thrown at him by Spider-Man. Cement is deadly.Onslaught is a psychic entity. It isn't a surpise the he could knock out Juggs.
It pretty much has been shown on panel. Juggs mentioned his strength increasing in the 1st Hulk/Jugg fight. Then on the 8th Day. People claim it was an Cyttorak raising his power but it wasn't. It was Cain more focused and drawing on more of his own power. Cyttorak himself has said he isn't the one who restricts his power. But unlike Hulk, Juggs isn't a famous hero and isn't in many books. So you're not going to get alot of instances.
Ive read the first hulk jugs fight but im not sure i got the part where jugs says his strength increases so what did he actually say? And also for the cyttorak thing, Even if cyttorak is not the one limiting his power, normal classic jugs is not accessing all of it regularly. He has to become more focused and what not to draw upon more of cyttorraks power within him. This howver is not a regular occurrence and hence in a fight betwen hulk and jugs, it is unlikely that jugs strength will increase in the same manner as the hulks or increase at all for dat matter as he will be in his regular mindset.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Apparently, 3 to 2 hits is your idea of an upperhand as long as you ignore that they were stalemating each other in the mercy standoff. Guess I need to break out the black magic marker again.
Yeah. When two massively strong opponents are going toe-to-toe and are dead even in strength as shown in the mercy standoff, yet one lands 3 blows while the other lands 2...that's my idea of an upperhand. As I said in my very first post in this thread:
Originally posted by Enyalus
IMO, Juggs was winning that fight by a slim margin.
3 strikes to 2, with one grinding the other's head into the pavement counts generously as a slim margin, does it not? Does everyone attempt to debate via reductio ad absurdum here? If it was a perfect stalemate, they'd have each landed 2 blows, or each landed 3. The fact that their strength was equal in the mercy standoff (which, if you ask me, it was not. I believe Hulk was being pushed back slightly before he tripped Juggs) only means that strengthwise it was a stalemate. Is it a low showing for WWH? No. Did I claim it to be? No. Does it speak volumes that Juggs was, strengthwise, on WWH's level? Definitely.
Enough said. I never claimed it would be a stomp. In my eyes, Juggs had the advantage, with whatever you want to quantify an advantage by. With no BFR, Juggs wins. In my opinion. After a long, bloody-ass, difficult fight. That's it. There's nothing in the WWH issues to indicate otherwise.
Originally posted by Ptr_GrifinBlasted concrete! durhulk The bane of all bricks...
The point is Hulk has been shown to tire out. I don't know where you get this idea of "acting" like this is a low feat considering I never said it was or implied. Also, Hulk has been KO'd by a Cement truck thrown at him by Spider-Man. Cement is deadly.Onslaught is a psychic entity. It isn't a surpise the he could knock out Juggs.
... anyway Savage Hulk destroyed an amped Onslaught's armor. And this is World War Hulk. A pre-Nate/Franklin amped Onslaught ktfo Juggs. I think the math works in World War Hulk's favor.
Originally posted by EnyalusI'm pretty sure that the number of blows a character lands is no measure of a character's domination over another. In a boxing contest, the number of blows landed counts as only one measure when judges make their decisions. I've heard from a few others that they believe WWH was being slightly pushed back, I'm pretty sure they were standing still. You never claimed it was a low showing for WWH and I never claimed that Juggs wasn't on WWH's strength level, so you don't have to defend against perceived accusations. Bottom-line, it was a stalemate. And using the number of hits they landed on each other to argue that it wasn't a stalemate is pure semantics.
3 strikes to 2, with one grinding the other's head into the pavement counts generously as a slim margin, does it not? Does everyone attempt to debate via reductio ad absurdum here? If it was a perfect stalemate, they'd have each landed 2 blows, or each landed 3. The fact that their strength was equal in the mercy standoff (which, if you ask me, it was not. I believe Hulk was being pushed back slightly before he tripped Juggs) only means that strengthwise it was a stalemate. Is it a low showing for WWH? No. Did I claim it to be? No. Does it speak volumes that Juggs was, strengthwise, on WWH's level? Definitely.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'm pretty sure that the number of blows a character lands is no measure of a character's domination over another. In a boxing contest, the number of blows landed counts as only one measure when judges make their decisions. I've heard from a few others that they believe WWH was being slightly pushed back, I'm pretty sure they were standing still. You never claimed it was a low showing for WWH and I never claimed that Juggs wasn't on WWH's strength level, so you don't have to defend against perceived accusations. Bottom-line, it was a stalemate. And using the number of hits they landed on each other to argue that it wasn't a stalemate is pure semantics.
So...for pure speculative sake, assume you and I got into a fist fight. We deadlock, nobody's moving back or forth. We're pretty evenly matched in the strength department. Yet, you've managed to land, say, three really hard punches against me. I'm a bad fighter. I've only gotten you twice, about equally as damaging.
Don't tell me you'd call our fight a stalemate. 😛 Wouldn't you say, "Dude, I was so winning." lol