Originally posted by Darth Hord
Yet it still proves your theory of Maul being force into a corner wrong. And that Maul was in control until he died. And he DID find an opening obviously since he killed Qui-gon and had out dueled kenobi until Kenobi made the move that surprised Maul. You really need tell me what makes Luke more powerful than Maul,nor have you replied to my posts of Maul experience from the previous page such as Anoon Bondara who's lightsaber skill was described assecond to none could not kill Maul. So please tell Me how Luke>Maul.
everybody says, someone, is "second to none" that doesnt prove anything. its just an expression just like every 2 weeks the new movie out is the "#1 movie in amarica" but that doesnt make it true.
Originally posted by Man of Christ
everybody says, someone, is "second to none" that doesnt prove anything. its just an expression just like every 2 weeks the new movie out is the "#1 movie in amarica" but that doesnt make it true.
The statement is made in both Cloak of Deception and Darth Maul Shadow Hunter and in addition it also says in cloak of deception
A Twi'lek, with slender head-tails and a heavily muscled upper body, his name was Anoon Bondara, a duelist of unparalleled skill. Qui-Gon engaged him in matches at every opportunity. For a match with Bondara, no matter how brief, was more instructive than twenty contests against lesser opponents.
This was coming from the view of the omniscient narrator not a charcter in the novels so it is canon. And your analogy is flawed since this was stated in two sources that as of this time shortly before TPM Anoon was second to none in lightsaber skills no one else in this period was stated to have the same skill so the quote is VALID AND CANON.
Originally posted by Darth Hord
The statement is made in both Cloak of Deception and Darth Maul Shadow Hunter and in addition it also says in cloak of deception
A Twi'lek, with slender head-tails and a heavily muscled upper body, his name was Anoon Bondara, a duelist of unparalleled skill. Qui-Gon engaged him in matches at every opportunity. For a match with Bondara, no matter how brief, was more instructive than twenty contests against lesser opponents.This was coming from the view of the omniscient narrator not a charcter in the novels so it is canon. And your analogy is flawed since this was stated in two sources that as of this time shortly before TPM Anoon was second to none in lightsaber skills no one else in this period was stated to have the same skill so the quote is VALID AND CANON.
if he were second to none he would still be alive so yeah its just a saying. a descriptor. maybe if you took an english class you would know about literary devices such as metaphors and hyperboles, like the ones being used here.
U talking bout Maul who or Luke? If it is Luke that argument does not come close to what I have posted in this thread since Luke had the physical strength to stand up to vader using the darkside which I previously said numerous times he wont have that type of rage since Maul does not verbally taunt in his duels
Originally posted by Darth Hord
U talking bout Maul who or Luke? If it is Luke that argument does not come close to what I have posted in this thread since Luke had the physical strength to stand up to vader using the darkside which I previously said numerous times he wont have that type of rage since Maul does not verbally taunt in his arguments.
verbal or no, maul still taunts opponents which lead to his death. but back on topic. he was matching vader before he got enraged. remember when he kicked vader down the steps. that wasnt darkside related.
Originally posted by Man of Christ
if he were second to none he would still be alive so yeah its just a saying. a descriptor. maybe if you took an english class you would know about literary devices such as metaphors and hyperboles, like the ones being used here.
I would have assumed you realize that is referring to the jedi order. And for your information he chose to sacrifice his life for your information in an explosion in attempt to kill Maul but it did not exceed.
Originally posted by Darth Hord
I would have assumed you realize that is referring to the jedi order. And for your information he chose to sacrifice his life for your information in an explosion in attempt to kill Maul but it did not exceed.
it is still a literary device. do you even know what that is by the way?
Originally posted by Man of Christ
verbal or no, maul still taunts opponents which lead to his death. but back on topic. he was matching vader before he got enraged. remember when he kicked vader down the steps. that wasnt darkside related.
Originally posted by Man of Christ
it is still a literary device. do you even know what that is by the way?
I do know what is and it speaks highly of his skills since other members of other include Mace Windu and Yoda and it still is a canon statement and regardless of the quotes, Anoon was still one of the best in the order and further supports my argument while your arguments in the the thread so far have been Maul appearing in one movie is suppose to make him weak which if far from true,Luke defeated Vader while using the darkside and he is supposedly stronger than Maul, am I missing anything.
While Maul has done so much more such as taking out the leaders of the black sun including killing a force witch right after being hit by force lightning. Defeated a very skilled saber duelist in Anoon Bondara and his padawan as well who actually defeated a padwan kenobi prior to TPm. He held his own against Sidious for a bit and even when he lost his lightsaber he actually bit Sidious. He killed Qui-gon and out dueled Kenobi all the while having a badly injured leg. So how does Luke compare?
Originally posted by Darth Hord
I do know what is and it speaks highly of his skills since other members of other include Mace Windu and Yoda and it still is a canon statement and regardless of the quotes, Anoon was still one of the best in the order and further supports my argument while your arguments in the the thread so far have been Maul appearing in one movie is suppose to make him weak which if far from true,Luke defeated Vader while using the darkside and he is supposedly stronger than Maul, am I missing anything.While Maul has done so much more such as taking out the leaders of the black sun including killing a force witch right after being hit by force lightning. Defeated a very skilled saber duelist in Anoon Bondara and his padawan as well who actually defeated a padwan kenobi prior to TPm. He held his own against Sidious for a bit and even when he lost his lightsaber he actually bit Sidious. He killed Qui-gon and out dueled Kenobi all the while having a badly injured leg. So how does Luke compare?
lets see, used the force to destroy the death star with minimal training. defeated vader without too much triaining. survived a series of force shocks by siddious which would have killed a normal senitent and even a normal jedi. went toe to to toe with vader, even kicking him down the steps and controlling the whole duel while still trying to convert him to the light. kicking vader down the steps took an incredible amount of force considering the wight of vaders metal limbs and life support. and after all that still had the energy to drag his dad away. need i go on?
Originally posted by Man of Christ
lets see, used the force to destroy the death star with minimal training. ?
defeated vader without too much triaining.
survived a series of force shocks by siddious which would have killed a normal senitent and even a normal jedi.
went toe to to toe with vader, even kicking him down the steps and controlling the whole duel while still trying to convert him to the light. kicking vader down the steps took an incredible amount of force considering the wight of vaders metal limbs and life support. and after all that still had the energy to drag his dad away. need i go on
That is the only thing so far that he did was get a single hit on Vader and vader was trying to convert him to the darkside so there is circumstances around it too. You do need to go on because Luke has not beaten Vader without the darkside and he still does not have the experience,training and has not done no where as much as Maul in combat. So is that it?
Originally posted by Darth Hord
Not a combat feat so it is irrelevantVader was holding back since he wanted to use his son to kill Sidious and Luke was using the darkside. Which he wont have luxury of against Maul.
He was torturing Luke and never had a chance to unleash his full "unlimited power" since Vader betrayed him.
That is the only thing so far that he did was get a single hit on Vader and vader was trying to convert him to the darkside so there is circumstances around it too. You do need to go on because Luke has not beaten Vader without the darkside and he still does not have the experience,training and has not done no where as much as Maul in combat. So is that it?
combat feat or no, it shows a vast adeptness in the force a level in which maul doesnt demonstrate.
luke was holding back too because he wanted to convert vader to the light "i will not fight you father"
he still got up prettty quick from that torture cuz he has a vast amount of enduerance theough the force.
he did so much with so little time to train. he was even using force telepathy on bespin to contact leah, c'mon thats pretty friggin awesome for a padawan. do we see maul do that. noooooo
effortless force chock of two sentients at the same time. when vader has to concentrate hard to do just one.
he read vader's mind in that last duel "your thoughts betray you"
if he is psychich that could help him predict maul's strategy.
and by the way maul's speciality is in blade combat not the force. so luke could overwhelm him with the force.
furthermore on the blade luke is a force to be reckonded with too. so maul deuling a rotj luke is like maul deuling a rots anakin. slaugher
Originally posted by Man of Christ
combat feat or no, it shows a vast adeptness in the force a level in which maul doesnt demonstrate.
It is impressive but irrelevant in the end.
luke was holding back too because he wanted to convert vader to the light "i will not fight you father"
he still got up prettty quick from that torture cuz he has a vast amount of enduerance theough the force.
he did so much with so little time to train. he was even using force telepathy on bespin to contact leah, c'mon thats pretty friggin awesome for a padawan. do we see maul do that. noooooo
effortless force chock of two sentients at the same time. when vader has to concentrate hard to do just one.
he read vader's mind in that last duel "your thoughts betray you"if he is psychich that could help him predict maul's strategy.
and by the way maul's speciality is in blade combat not the force. so luke could overwhelm him with the force.
furthermore on the blade luke is a force to be reckonded with too. so maul deuling a rotj luke is like maul deuling a rots anakin. slaugher
And even if Luke could win it would be FAR from a slaughter. ROTJ Luke is FAR from ROTS Anakin.
And to add to my last point. Luke has shown NO battle precognition skills to predict attacks and I doubt he would he would use force choke on Maul because he only used it once on 2 weak guards. And Luke has never used any offensive force techniques such as force choke in an actual in a duel,to suggest he would otherwise at this point is a ridiculous claim. Given by how Luke activates his lightsaber instead of trying to use the force (and have a force fight)when he sees an enemy (Vader) now why would he try something different here? It is illogical to say that he suddenly changes his preference to the force. I doubt that. And you yourself said that Maul's specialty is lightsaber combat there is NO way given on what I posted about Maul's combat experience vs luke's that luke would win.
Originally posted by Darth Hord
And to add to my last point. Luke has shown NO battle precognition skills to predict attacks and I doubt he would he would use force choke on Maul because he only used it once on 2 weak guards. And Luke has never used any offensive force techniques such as force choke in an actual in a duel,to suggest he would otherwise at this point is a ridiculous claim. Given by how Luke activates his lightsaber instead of trying to use the force (and have a force fight)when he sees an enemy (Vader) now why would he try something different here? It is illogical to say that he suddenly changes his preference to the force. I doubt that. And you yourself said that Maul's specialty is lightsaber combat there is NO way given on what I posted about Maul's combat experience vs luke's that luke would win.
wow if im dueling some stranger, im really going to use the same techniques than if im dueling my father, whom im trying to redeem