Originally posted by Creshosk
Well, people around here don't fully understand what a retcon is.People could argue that pre-retcon Jean Grey ate a sun. But that's ignoring the fact that the retcon established that as a seperate character which was never really Jean. It was ALWAYS(due to the retcon) a seperate entity when it was Dark Phoenix. The Real jean was in the ocean. So there is no (Pre-retcon jean grey ate a sun) as that never happened in continuity.
Like here. The retcon establishes that the character was never really that powerful. I don't care what the reason is, be it that LT or TOAA let him at that point in time. Or that it was an illusion, or a dream or some mass drug induced delerium. It's not important the why. Just the fact that the retcon happened means that it didn't really happen the first time around the way people think it did.
In otherwords those that argue for the pre-retcon MM not only ignore the fact that Pre MM Retcon LT is not in this fight. But they were duped by the illusion/dream/trick/drug induced stupor.
Just as there is no "pre retcon-jean grey who ate a sun" there is no "pre retcon MM who was higher than current LT" It never happened.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Actualy you used shoddy speculation. It wasn't proof.
The only true defeat I can see on Panel of the LT was by God's own creation. That has to signify that nothing can pwn the Lt truly but TOAA. At any rate, The LT absorbed that other guy's power into his own, So he's at least double what he was anyway.
Originally posted by CreshoskNo Im sure more people liked Wolverine more. People that read and follow both characters Im sure were the minority in regards to the total number of votes. Im sure it was mostly people who thought wolverine was cool with little to no knowledge of Lobo.
Ad populem. Wolverine beat Lobo due to the popular vote. At the time most people thought Wolverine would win.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No Im sure more people liked Wolverine more. People that read and follow both characters Im sure were the minority in regards to the total number of votes. Im sure it was mostly people who thought wolverine was cool with little to no knowledge of Lobo.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlActually, he was second to MM, since technically Beyonder isn't from the Multiverse, and seeing as there was only a Multiverse, of course he could not show a feat like holding two megaverses.
I already did. He is now fully backed by the TOAA. he wasn't back then. There was no TOAA back then. He also has held mega verses in his hand. Back then, he wasn't even the most poweful being in the multiverse.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Actually, he was second to MM, since technically Beyonder isn't from the Multiverse, and seeing as there was only a Multiverse, of course he could not show a feat like holding two megaverses.
That's the point. There were no mega verses becuz the beyonder was everything outside the multiverse. Now the LT sits OVER everything that the beyonder was. Get it?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The only true defeat I can see on Panel of the LT was by God's own creation. That has to signify that nothing can pwn the Lt truly but TOAA. At any rate, The LT absorbed that other guy's power into his own, So he's at least double what he was anyway.
Originally posted by quanchi112ANd? Most people said Wolverine wins. So, Wolverine won.
No Im sure more people liked Wolverine more. People that read and follow both characters Im sure were the minority in regards to the total number of votes. Im sure it was mostly people who thought wolverine was cool with little to no knowledge of Lobo.
Isn't ad populem great? If enough people believe it it has to be true! 😱
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The only true defeat I can see on Panel of the LT was by God's own creation. That has to signify that nothing can pwn the Lt truly but TOAA. At any rate, The LT absorbed that other guy's power into his own, So he's at least double what he was anyway.
Originally posted by quanchi112Sham distinction. Popular opinion is popular opinion.
But in here its different.
Originally posted by quanchi112Who said anything about "the gernerla public? popular opinion is popular opinion regardless of how large the "popular" group is.
This isnt the general public.
Originally posted by quanchi112popular opinion is still popular opinion regardless of who the populus is.
The worst person in here knows more about this than the general joe shcmoe out there who likes wolverine becuz he smokes cigars and kicks ass.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlYes, but it does not mean he himself has grown more powerful. PR Beyonder was much more powerful than LT, who has no proof he himself has grown stronger, you yourself has said countless times, he has never been retconned.
That's the point. There were no mega verses becuz the beyonder was everything outside the multiverse. Now the LT sits OVER everything that the beyonder was. Get it?
Originally posted by Air Legend
And yet you give Michael, Lucifer, and Spectre the win over LT lmao. LT is fully backed by TOAA according to you, so LT would solo DC 😆
No. Michael is equal to the heart of the universe.
Lucifer cannot be defeated by pure power. He has to be beaten by will as well. The LT lacks in that area as shown in marvel the end.
Spectre is equal tot he LT to me.
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Yes, but it does not mean he himself has grown more powerful. PR Beyonder was much more powerful than LT, who has no proof he himself has grown stronger, you yourself has said countless times, he has never been retconned.
Let me ask you something A king has 20 acres of land. a relative dies and leaves him 100 more acres. Now Someone wants to fight the king's army.
Is the king better to win with an army of 20 acres of land or an army who lives on 100 acres.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Let me ask you something A king has 20 acres of land. a relative dies and leaves him 100 more acres. Now Someone wants to fight the king's army.Is the king better to win with an army of 20 acres of land or an army who lives on 100 acres.