KH Sephiroth v.s. Dante

Originally posted by Terryc250
Zeus is about as tough as odin, when all skyfathers went up against the celestials they all did about equally bad against them, all skyfathers rival odin as much all heralds rival SS

DS had just been blasted by Highfather's staff. DS has beaten batman while Batman was being amped by a mother box and a battle suit.

Here is his respect thread also.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t366402.html

Yes but even low heralds would put up a fight against SS, like terrax, nova, or morg..

Thanos took several blasts from Odin and lived to tell about it, yet Thanos is still not considered a skyfather level

Originally posted by Terryc250
Yes but even low heralds would put up a fight against SS, like terrax, nova, or morg..

Thanos took several blasts from Odin and lived to tell about it, yet Thanos is still not considered a skyfather level

2. Because he lacks matter manipulation. It is literally a requirement for Skyfather.

Thanos has matter manipulation at a higher scale then SS, Surfer beat terrax but didnt pwn him

Originally posted by Terryc250
Thanos has matter manipulation at a higher scale then SS, Surfer beat terrax but didnt pwn him

not quite at that level, he loses to any skyfather in combat

Originally posted by Terryc250
not quite at that level, he loses to any skyfather in combat

Darkseid at best is Thanos level IMO, but he hasnt been like that for awhile, hes been mostly about superman level lately =\

Originally posted by Terryc250
Darkseid at best is Thanos level IMO, but he hasnt been like that for awhile, hes been mostly about superman level lately =\

He has been losing to superman all the time though, since he first came out.. a real skyfather wouldnt even bother with superman and would smite him effortlessly if he even caused a bother to him.. anyone comparable to superman isnt skyfather level because superman isnt even close to skyfather

Originally posted by Terryc250
He has been losing to superman all the time though, since he first came out.. a real skyfather wouldnt even bother with superman and would smite him effortlessly if he even caused a bother to him.. anyone comparable to superman isnt skyfather level because superman isnt even close to skyfather

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Yes you are.

2. It pretty much is.

3. Dur. He manipped energy to matter, and now that I think of it, when absorbing things he manips matter to energy...he can manip matter.

4. Kain forming into bats is an impossibility too, but hey, that's life.

1. NEVEEOORR!!

2. erm...no....lighting is not fire

3. no he formed energy into matter, when absorbing things he is simply doing what molten steel does to steel, moltenises it to make more molten steel, its not like he is willing it with power to manipulate, matter manip means changing what the matter of a being is, otherwise Kain can be skyfather, he can also turn energy into matter

4. yes, i was making examples of impossible things that strangely happen, i was mocking you because you said "how could you make matter out of non-matter"

also can someone post me where it says you need to have matter manip to be skyfather please, infact the list of things you need to be rated that highly, or is it something random comic book vs have conjured up out of thin air

Real Skyfathers can take out entire galaxies effortlessly

when has one done this?

people say Odin did, yet examples are shown when he was helped by someone else or useing a special object, do they have nothing but destructive feats....

but seriously who did this?

also what are you calling a skyfather, only the top parthanon beings are Skyfathers, Zeus, Odin.etc etc

Ares or normal Thor are not

^ obviously thor isnt lol, not even close.. Thor would get KO'd with a finger by a skyfather..

when has one done this?

Odin has beaten Surtur multiple times and Surtur has destroyed countless galaxies

Destroying galaxies takes little effort for Odin or any real skyfather

Originally posted by Terryc250
Real Skyfathers can take out entire galaxies effortlessly

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. NEVEEOORR!!

2. erm...no....lighting is not fire

3. no he formed energy into matter, when absorbing things he is simply doing what molten steel does to steel, moltenises it to make more molten steel, its not like he is willing it with power to manipulate, matter manip means changing what the matter of a being is, otherwise Kain can be skyfather, he can also turn energy into matter

4. yes, i was making examples of impossible things that strangely happen, i was mocking you because you said "how could you make matter out of non-matter"

also can someone post me where it says you need to have matter manip to be skyfather please, infact the list of things you need to be rated that highly, or is it something random comic book vs have conjured up out of thin air

2. I said PRETTY MUCH.

3. He also manipped Bishamon from his armor with just his energies(he's that powerful LAWLZ). Also, molten steel is still MATTER, Pyron can convert energy to matter(or maybe create it from nothing, who can say?), and vice versa, big difference. Kain gets mid to high herald due to his nifty abilities, but not Skyfather. He lacks the physical stats, now, say, if he had the physical prowess of say, Superman, Thor, or maybe even Flash, he could possibly be Skyfather.

4. Yeah.

I'm not sure where the tier system came from actually...

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Not all. That is an Odin feat. Not every Skyfather is Odin. Darkseid is a Skyfather, but cannot take out a galaxy.

Thats cuz Darkseid isnt a Skyfather, he has had a couple high showings that are skyfather level, but 95% of the time he is only high herald level, and alot of the times hes even below that.

All skyfathers are comparable to Odin in terms of power.. Surtur and others were able to do it, and they arent even the strongest skyfathers, Odin is just the one that is more recognized because he is in more comics.

You're underrating the status "Skyfather" physically EVERY skyfather is MUCH higher then thor, superman, silver surfer, etc.. power wise EVERY skyfather is higher then Silver Surfer, and would take him out in about 5 seconds or less.

Darkseid has trouble with SUPERMAN, Superman is even below Silver Surfer, he cannot be compared to true skyfathers like Elders of the Universe, Silent Ones, Hyperstorm, etc

Kain, Pyron, nor DS(without ALE), can be a skyfather because they lack the power output, durability, etc.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Thats cuz Darkseid isnt a Skyfather, he has had a couple high showings that are skyfather level, but 95% of the time he is only high herald level, and alot of the times hes even below that.

All skyfathers are comparable to Odin in terms of power.. Surtur and others were able to do it, and they arent even the strongest skyfathers, Odin is just the one that is more recognized because he is in more comics.

You're underrating the status "Skyfather" physically EVERY skyfather is MUCH higher then thor, superman, silver surfer, etc.. power wise EVERY skyfather is higher then Silver Surfer, and would take him out in about 5 seconds or less.

Darkseid has trouble with SUPERMAN, Superman is even below Silver Surfer, he cannot be compared to true skyfathers like Elders of the Universe, Silent Ones, Hyperstorm, etc

Kain, Pyron, nor DS(without ALE), can be a skyfather because they lack the power output, durability, etc.

2. Odin is widely considered to be THE strongest of Skyfathers.

3. Funny thing is, without amping his power, Odin is only class 60. Also, Pyron is physically higher than Superman, Thor, and Silver Surfur. Power wise, Pyron also higher than SS. He could destroy Earth with the tip of his pinky.

4. The aspect of DS does, sure.

5. Kain is no Skyfather. Pyron and DS are. You think every Skyfather has to be Odin.