KH Sephiroth v.s. Dante

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Lol, he is a Skyfather, just is sometimes shittiliy written. Also, often it is merely a weaker aspect of DS that is beaten.

2. Odin is widely considered to be THE strongest of Skyfathers.

3. Funny thing is, without amping his power, Odin is only class 60. Also, Pyron is physically higher than Superman, Thor, and Silver Surfur. Power wise, Pyron also higher than SS. He could destroy Earth with the tip of his pinky.

4. The aspect of DS does, sure.

5. Kain is no Skyfather. Pyron and DS are. You think every Skyfather has to be Odin.

Writers make him a nemesis foe of Superman because they are comparable. PIS only goes so far, like usually winning but losing in one comic due to PIS, can be considered yeah, but if the character has always been losing alot more times then they win against about a mid/high herald opponent.. and even loses to lower character, then maybe its just the level the character is at.

Why you think skyfathers are rarely ever in Marvel Earth comics? Or even bother with their affairs, because at best a person at herald level would only last a panel, or 2 if lucky.

Pyron has never shown that much power before, and im sure u cant show me either, SS, Supes, Gladiator, Sentry, have destroyed planets easily as well..

No i think all skyfathers r comparable to Odin which they are... like the Panthens, Zeus, Cleito, Osrius, Manito, Anu, Hyperstorm, Ego, Dormammu, Seth, Surtur, The Absolutes, etc. They all would/have put up great fights, and some have beaten Odin. Ive never heard of Odin being the most powerful skyfather and IMO i dont think he is, but ive heard he is a high skyfather

Originally posted by Terryc250
Writers make him a nemesis foe of Superman because they are comparable. PIS only goes so far, like usually winning but losing in one comic due to PIS, can be considered yeah, but if the character has always been losing alot more times then they win against about a mid/high herald opponent.. and even loses to lower character, then maybe its just the level the character is at.

Why you think skyfathers are rarely ever in Marvel Earth comics? Or even bother with their affairs, because at best a person at herald level would only last a panel, or 2 if lucky.

Pyron has never shown that much power before, and im sure u cant show me either, SS, Supes, Gladiator, Sentry, have destroyed planets easily as well..

No i think all skyfathers r comparable to Odin which they are... like the Panthens, Zeus, Cleito, Osrius, Manito, Anu, Hyperstorm, Ego, Dormammu, Seth, Surtur, The Absolutes, etc. They all would/have put up great fights, and some have beaten Odin.

2. Not all are Odin tho.

3. His pinky tip is bigger than Earth, I meant that literally. Also, he can fly many times FTL, create things from nothing(or from himself, not sure), manip matter(a Skyfather requirement), even in his mortal form(self weakened form) he has extremely high physical strength, and has traveled the universe eating galaxies worth of planets(not in one gulp). That's a few things, there are more. When I said Pyron can destroy a planet with his pinky tip, I meant it literally. And don't say "He's never done it so he can't", Sephiroth has never destroyed a planet either, yet you like to claim he can(which I think he could do, don't get me wrong). Saying Pyron can't crush Earth with his pinky is the equivelant of saying Superman can't crush a marbel.

4. First of all, didn't Hyperstorm beat Big G? That would put him some ways above Skyfather. Odin is the strongest for a reason, he has shown the most impressive powers.

To my knowledge DS has never beaten supes like that without some kind of tech or artifact help, Superman has always put up a fight

I never said everyone is odin, i said "skyfathers"

What i meant was, you make it seem like Pyron can instantly grow as big as the sun then crush anything he wants, i believe he can crush a planet with if he manages to grow that big, but i dont think he can just instantly grow that big and fly around crushing planets.

No Hyperstorm got lost to Galactus, and got locked up while Big G used him as a power source.

Hyperstorm can possibly beat Odin, Surtur has beaten Odin, Dormammu would beat Odin i think, Demiurge probably can, a couple of the Elder Gods can too,
he has shown the most impressive feats because hes been in marvel comics for many decades, and has been in many many many comics, since Thor had his own comic

Originally posted by Violent2Dope

3. He also manipped Bishamon from his armor with just his energies(he's that powerful LAWLZ). Also, molten steel is still MATTER, Pyron can convert energy to matter(or maybe create it from nothing, who can say?), and vice versa, big difference. Kain gets mid to high herald due to his nifty abilities, but not Skyfather. He lacks the physical stats, now, say, if he had the physical prowess of say, Superman, Thor, or maybe even Flash, he could possibly be Skyfather.

since when is physical needed for skyfather, Galactus could destroy all skyfathers without trying and he wouldnt use physical prowess at all, some beings are abstracts and dont have physical forms at all, does that mean they cannot be skyfather level? that logic is broken

Originally posted by Terryc250
Kain, Pyron, nor DS(without ALE), can be a skyfather because they lack the power output, durability, etc.

pyron lacks durability and power output of a skyfather

but Kain has the durability easily, he cannot even die and can put a shield up making his durability almost infnite.....Technically without any amping a skyfathers body is only a measly 3 times the density of humans.....

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
5. Kain is no Skyfather. Pyron and DS are. You think every Skyfather has to be Odin.

lawls at pyron being a Skyfather, he has nothing on a skyfather, does he actually have any physical feats worthy to notice? or are you simply saying "hes big, he is strong enough"

Originally posted by Terryc250
What i meant was, you make it seem like Pyron can instantly grow as big as the sun then crush anything he wants, i believe he can crush a planet with if he manages to grow that big, but i dont think he can just instantly grow that big and fly around crushing planets.

but he is super uberz pyronz!! he could turn the universe into goo with his mega >>>>lightspeez!! and grow to Andromeda sizeee!!! durlaugh

Originally posted by Burning thought
since when is physical needed for skyfather, Galactus could destroy all skyfathers without trying and he wouldnt use physical prowess at all, some beings are abstracts and dont have physical forms at all, does that mean they cannot be skyfather level? that logic is broken

pyron lacks durability and power output of a skyfather

but Kain has the durability easily, he cannot even die and can put a shield up making his durability almost infnite.....Technically without any amping a skyfathers body is only a measly 3 times the density of humans.....

lawls at pyron being a Skyfather, he has nothing on a skyfather, does he actually have any physical feats worthy to notice? or are you simply saying "hes big, he is strong enough"

but he is super uberz pyronz!! he could turn the universe into goo with his mega >>>>lightspeez!! and grow to Andromeda sizeee!!! durlaugh

2. Lol. Pyron could crush Earth with his pinky tip, I hardly see how that makes him lack the power output of one. Hell, most attacks won't even injure Pyron in the slightest, the only real exception is magic, and he can still defend against that.

That's not durability. Doomsday cannot die either, and can barely be hurt by anything(not even the Omega Beams from Darkseid) and his shield is infinate? You fail to mention it only lasts like a minute, whereas Pyron's shield can be summoned at will.

I still lol at being only 3 times more durable than humans. Thor, much weaker than Odin, tanked a nuke for Christ's sake.

3. As mortal Pyron(who is uber weak compared to full power Pyron) he still retained great physical strength, he shreds thru durable Phobos with ease, and tears steel buildings apart, at full power he is logically much stronger, and can grow much bigger(sun sized), logically, he could crush a planet easily.

4. He is>>>lightspeed jack. I haven't claimed the Andromeda thing in months ass hole, but if you wanna play that game, you said Kain can one shot the Living Tribunal.

Originally posted by Terryc250
To my knowledge DS has never beaten supes like that without some kind of tech or artifact help, Superman has always put up a fight

I never said everyone is odin, i said "skyfathers"

What i meant was, you make it seem like Pyron can instantly grow as big as the sun then crush anything he wants, i believe he can crush a planet with if he manages to grow that big, but i dont think he can just instantly grow that big and fly around crushing planets.

No Hyperstorm got lost to Galactus, and got locked up while Big G used him as a power source.

Hyperstorm can possibly beat Odin, Surtur has beaten Odin, Dormammu would beat Odin i think, Demiurge probably can, a couple of the Elder Gods can too,
he has shown the most impressive feats because hes been in marvel comics for many decades, and has been in many many many comics, since Thor had his own comic

2. But you act like EVERY Skyfather has to be exactly like Odin. The only rock solid requirement for Skyfather is matter manipulation.

3. He can grow that big pretty fast actually. Why can't he grow that big? How long do you think it would take him?

4. He still put up a fight, whereas Odin would just be a mere nuisance to Big G, as would any Skyfather I know of.

5. Makes sense, I personally do not completely buy into Odin being the strongest Skyfather, but he is one of them.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. No, it really isn't. For all of Kain's abilities, if a character is fast enough or can move fast enough to beat him before he does anything, he would have no chance. That's why Superman would easily beat him.

2. Lol. Pyron could crush Earth with his pinky tip, I hardly see how that makes him lack the power output of one. Hell, most attacks won't even injure Pyron in the slightest, the only real exception is magic, and he can still defend against that.

That's not durability. Doomsday cannot die either, and can barely be hurt by anything(not even the Omega Beams from Darkseid) and his shield is infinate? You fail to mention it only lasts like a minute, whereas Pyron's shield can be summoned at will.

I still lol at being only 3 times more durable than humans. Thor, much weaker than Odin, tanked a nuke for Christ's sake.

3. As mortal Pyron(who is uber weak compared to full power Pyron) he still retained great physical strength, he shreds thru durable Phobos with ease, and tears steel buildings apart, at full power he is logically much stronger, and can grow much bigger(sun sized), logically, he could crush a planet easily.

4. He is>>>lightspeed jack. I haven't claimed the Andromeda thing in months ass hole, but if you wanna play that game, you said Kain can one shot the Living Tribunal.

1. no because being fast enough means nothing if with a gesture that person can rip out your soul, or maybe with less than a gesture, a hand movement.....even if that person can go so much faster and do 1000 moves before kain....it wont make a diffrent because kain will just reform if he is obliterated and will always have time to eventually cast his one spell or one gesture to stop the opponent....TK would grab Superman and Time bolt will do the rest....the same with most skyfathers

2. thats simpy because of size, not power output, he isnt really useing any power at all, he is just using size, its not unique, if kain was that size he would od the same, its a size thing, but strength within a body like Kratos for example is true strength. Bigger does not always mean stronger nor does it mean he could neccerily easy break a planet, it also depends on what type of planet. Not all planets are Earth type.

3. erm...so can kain bring his shield up on a whim, also it wont last 1 minute will it, Kain will just bring it up again...and again....posibly 5 seconds before the last shield wears out....

4. well that could possibly be amping, its stated thats their durability, so their not quite as incredible as people think skyfathers are in base durability

5. ive heard so many diffrent silly things from you, youve stated before now that being small does not mean anything for pyron and have said it doesnt weaken him, now your saying he is weak in small form.....also ive not seen any durability feats of phobos, Hulk can smash tanks up which are also metal, that does not mean he is skyfather, ive not seen durability of Phobos, ive only seen them getting ripped to pieces.

6. lawls at you throwing a hissy fit, i was joking......and his lightspeed ahs only been shown in straight lines when he moves great distances and in a foetle position, also LT would be Kains little douche if he came into Nosgoth, if the Time stream didnt delete him first ofc, but apprently LT is beyond time so i dont think this would happen

Originally posted by Burning thought
1. no because being fast enough means nothing if with a gesture that person can rip out your soul, or maybe with less than a gesture, a hand movement.....even if that person can go so much faster and do 1000 moves before kain....it wont make a diffrent because kain will just reform if he is obliterated and will always have time to eventually cast his one spell or one gesture to stop the opponent....TK would grab Superman and Time bolt will do the rest....the same with most skyfathers

2. thats simpy because of size, not power output, he isnt really useing any power at all, he is just using size, its not unique, if kain was that size he would od the same, its a size thing, but strength within a body like Kratos for example is true strength. Bigger does not always mean stronger nor does it mean he could neccerily easy break a planet, it also depends on what type of planet. Not all planets are Earth type.

3. erm...so can kain bring his shield up on a whim, also it wont last 1 minute will it, Kain will just bring it up again...and again....posibly 5 seconds before the last shield wears out....

4. well that could possibly be amping, its stated thats their durability, so their not quite as incredible as people think skyfathers are in base durability

5. ive heard so many diffrent silly things from you, youve stated before now that being small does not mean anything for pyron and have said it doesnt weaken him, now your saying he is weak in small form.....also ive not seen any durability feats of phobos, Hulk can smash tanks up which are also metal, that does not mean he is skyfather, ive not seen durability of Phobos, ive only seen them getting ripped to pieces.

6. lawls at you throwing a hissy fit, i was joking......and his lightspeed ahs only been shown in straight lines when he moves great distances and in a foetle position, also LT would be Kains little douche if he came into Nosgoth, if the Time stream didnt delete him first ofc, but apprently LT is beyond time so i dont think this would happen

2. Okay, at that size with an energy blast he could blow up more than a sun, as he is big as a sun. Kain can't go that size, so it is irrevelant. Also, Pyron has shown super strength even in mortal form.

3. Has Kain ever done this? Also, the reaver has to be charged with souls to do any spells in-game, what makes you think he can do his powers without doing that?

4. It stated that was the normal Asgardian's durability, also, Kain doesn't seem to have superhuman durability at all. An arrow would prolly go right thru his head, he just wouldn't die. Also, Kain in the games after being damaged too much has to revert to bats and flee, and that one site you showed also said this, what makes you think he can keep on tanking attacks. Oh, and even if Odin's durability is only 3 times a human's, what the hell makes you think that applies to every Skyfather? It sure as hell doesn't apply to Darkseid.

5. No, he is weak as a MORTAL, he limited himself to a mortal form before fighting the DSers, weakening him greatly. Hulk doesn't get Skyfather because:
A. He lacks variety of powers, his offense is pure physical power and his defense is durability and his healing.
B. He's an idiot.
C. He lacks matter manipulation.
D. He isn't very fast.
E. He's a brick.
F. His only ranged attack is the thunderclap.
G. Even tho potentially he is physically strongest in Marvel, he starts out at class 90 and has to get angrier to get stronger.

Pyron has great strength, and more powers than what Hulk has. They have some durability feats in UDON I believe, but I can't find any scans.

6. Many times faster than lightspeed. 🙂 So he can only go in a straight line? That makes little to no sense. He is a big ball of fire while flying, not in a featle position, he just enters one before morphing to a ball of fire.

LT is beyond time, and would make Nosgoth his b*tch.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
1. Not if Superman could throw him to the sun first. I lol at Kain TKing Superman, Superman is easily strong enough to break it, and could just vibrate to shift his molecular structure(or whatever) to go intangible, he has done it before. Also, you keep on mentioning Soul Death, I have yet to see it, show me it.

2. Okay, at that size with an energy blast he could blow up more than a sun, as he is big as a sun. Kain can't go that size, so it is irrevelant. Also, Pyron has shown super strength even in mortal form.

3. Has Kain ever done this? Also, the reaver has to be charged with souls to do any spells in-game, what makes you think he can do his powers without doing that?

4. It stated that was the normal Asgardian's durability, also, Kain doesn't seem to have superhuman durability at all. An arrow would prolly go right thru his head, he just wouldn't die. Also, Kain in the games after being damaged too much has to revert to bats and flee, and that one site you showed also said this, what makes you think he can keep on tanking attacks. Oh, and even if Odin's durability is only 3 times a human's, what the hell makes you think that applies to every Skyfather? It sure as hell doesn't apply to Darkseid.

5. No, he is weak as a MORTAL, he limited himself to a mortal form before fighting the DSers, weakening him greatly. Hulk doesn't get Skyfather because:
A. He lacks variety of powers, his offense is pure physical power and his defense is durability and his healing.
B. He's an idiot.
C. He lacks matter manipulation.
D. He isn't very fast.
E. He's a brick.
F. His only ranged attack is the thunderclap.
G. Even tho potentially he is physically strongest in Marvel, he starts out at class 90 and has to get angrier to get stronger.

Pyron has great strength, and more powers than what Hulk has. They have some durability feats in UDON I believe, but I can't find any scans.

6. Many times faster than lightspeed. 🙂 So he can only go in a straight line? That makes little to no sense. He is a big ball of fire while flying, not in a featle position, he just enters one before morphing to a ball of fire.

LT is beyond time, and would make Nosgoth his b*tch.

1. I already told you what would happen if he goes in the son, he would simply evovle to become eventually immune to pressures of that magnitue and heat, youll only make kain stronger. Strength is not a factor it seems, TK works on humans, kain and all others in LOK exactley the same, strength is not a factor, if he can go intangible then maybe he would escape this.

http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo1/spells.php

soul death, i mean Spirit Death, basically the same thing.

2. Proof? your doing the old "size=power" thing again, Kratos is small so hes weak then? no your saying sillyness, show me a strength feat of Pyron, your assuming his actual damage capacity can destroy a sun, AND assuming hes even near the size of a sun, the biggest ive seen him is with Hellstorm the size of his chest, Hellstorm is not the size of the sun.

3. WHat are you talking about ,its a BO1 Kain spell, not a reaver spell, he doesnt recharge anything and ofc hes done it, its in the BO1 game, although i cant find a video, theres no reason other than Bias to make you belive he cannot recast a spell......also canonically only the blood reaver charges, the soul reaver can still have energy in it after cenuturies....

4. Its stated in Blood omen 2 his stats are so much greater than a human, an Arrow would never go through his head, it doesnt even go through his chest and thats a crossbow bolt at short range into young kain in BO 2.....Elder Kain is 100 times more powerful. Bats is not fleeing, he is simply reforming, the only diffrence as you should know is that its in-game, you should think its easy enough without being completly invulerable and reforming where you like. Odin is one of the strongest skyfathers and his base durability is lame which is what i was pointing out...

5. show me pyrons great strength please

6. ive already taken into fact he is beyond time, and the only thing he could do is survive the intitial blinking out of excistence, unfortunatley for him....he would still be Kains B*tch on a leesh since all the rest of Nosgoth is part of time.....LT can do nothing and since Kain cannot be stopped in Nosgoth, LT would simply be ignored like a angry toddler or douched

Quick question; how the hell is this related to the topic at hand?

Originally posted by Raijin
Quick question; how the hell is this related to the topic at hand?

it doesnt does it...i think Dante was decided as the winner and for some reason the debate has gone onto skyfathers

Originally posted by Burning thought
it doesnt does it...i think Dante was decided as the winner and for some reason the debate has gone onto skyfathers

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Sephiroth would obliterate Dante. So yeah....

Sephiroth > Dante

1. Against an aspect, and the time DS beat Supes without lifting a finger he was at full power and needed no tech.

2. But you act like EVERY Skyfather has to be exactly like Odin. The only rock solid requirement for Skyfather is matter manipulation.

3. He can grow that big pretty fast actually. Why can't he grow that big? How long do you think it would take him?

4. He still put up a fight, whereas Odin would just be a mere nuisance to Big G, as would any Skyfather I know of.

5. Makes sense, I personally do not completely buy into Odin being the strongest Skyfather, but he is one of them.

Does Pyron even have matter manipulation? I know he made robots, but that really isnt matter manipulation, Sephiroth created the silver haired men, and i dont consider him having matter manipulation, changing the molecular scale and element scale is matter manipulation, like turning dirt into gold, or a dog into a fish, or altering someone genes. There was an old xmen comic i read years ago with Zeus i think, and he temporarily turned off a mutants mutant genes, so he was a regular human

Even if Pyron is capable of crushing a planet with his pinky that really isnt a skyfather feat since ive seen many heralds easily create supernovas and blow up many planets, when sentry and genis were fighting, they were blowing up planets left and right, hulk has even one punch a meteor twice the size of earth before.

I was giving feats of other skyfathers as well, just mostly odin cuz hes the most popular, and most shown.

Hyperstorm only lasted a couple pages because of the Plot Device; in reality, he shouldve only lasted a panel.

And btw, Kain wouldnt last against the LT, he would be erased from existence in an instant

White Crown of the Phoenix has held the universe in her palms, and amputated time, and changing fate, there was a story when scott summers chose not to be with emma frost and all these bad things happened, then the Phoenix turned back time and altered his mind to get with emma frost.

LT is above the Phoenix, he is the judge of the Omniverse, that includes every single multiverse, every universe, and every dimension.

LT once turned the silver surfer into a universe so he can experience godhood.

He erased a whole universe with a thought

He would take nosgoth out of existance just as easily

Originally posted by Burning thought
it doesnt does it...i think Dante was decided as the winner and for some reason the debate has gone onto skyfathers

Reading the first page it seems most people think Sephiorth > Dante

That's when i stopped posting anyway, so what new evidence has some up to make people think Dante could beat Sephiroth

Originally posted by Terryc250

And btw, Kain wouldnt last against the LT, he would be erased from existence in an instant

White Crown of the Phoenix has held the universe in her palms, and amputated time, and changing fate, there was a story when scott summers chose not to be with emma frost and all these bad things happened, then the Phoenix turned back time and altered his mind to get with emma frost.

LT is above the Phoenix, he is the judge of the Omniverse, that includes every single multiverse, every universe, and every dimension.

LT once turned the silver surfer into a universe so he can experience godhood.

He erased a whole universe with a thought

He would take nosgoth out of existance just as easily

i agree if it was just normal kain not in Nosgoth, but in Nosgoth, your basically saying whos stronger, TOAA? or LT? i would certainly say TOAA would you not?

Nothgoth is a part of the Omniverse, its in a different realm/universe/dimension but its still part of the Omniverse, Mephisto is considered as god in his own dimension, whatever happens there is his rule, everything is his property, free to alter, anything he wants in there, if a being is in mephisto's realm, he basically has already lost his soul to mephisto, and mephisto has freedom over that persons soul to do anything he pleases, but he is still under LT, LT can erase that reality from existance if he feels its needed

Kain is basically just a dimension god where he has the power of god in his own dimension. Many characters like that in Marvel universe, dormammu, shuma gorath, satannish, that basically if ur in theyre dimension, ur f*cked because they are god in their dimension, and they are free to do whatever they want to you in there; however, like i said, LT is the judge of the Omniverse, and can take out their dimension as easy as he can take out universes.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Nothgoth is a part of the Omniverse, its in a different realm/universe/dimension but its still part of the Omniverse, Mephisto is considered as god in his own dimension, whatever happens there is his rule, everything is his property, free to alter, anything he wants in there, if a being is in mephisto's realm, he basically has already lost his soul to mephisto, and mephisto has freedom over that persons soul to do anything he pleases, but he is still under LT, LT can erase that reality from existance if he feels its needed

Kain is basically just a dimension god where he has the power of god in his own dimension. Many characters like that in Marvel universe, dormammu, shuma gorath, satannish, that basically if ur in theyre dimension, ur f*cked because they are god in their dimension, and they are free to do whatever they want to you in there; however, like i said, LT is the judge of the Omniverse, and can take out their dimension as easy as he can take out universes.

false your not getting what ime saying, TOAA is not the supreme of Nosgoth and its not part of the Marvel omniverse, not one part of it, theres nothing Living Tribunal can do to the Supreme that is Amy herring or the other designers and creators of the games nor their rules, LT is helpless to do anything in Nosgoth.

yeh. Marvel universes, but he gets his power from TOAA who does not excist in Nosgoth so technically LT becomes a giant yellow man and drops to the ground like a used cloth but ofc according to KMC rules he would still have his own power even if the source of it is gone, which means it would be his power VS a supreme creators rule, which he would never break, especially since the editors/creators of marvel have no canon in Nosgoth either.

so technically, it would be Living tribunal who is as helpless as a child in Nosgoth to do anything, he would either have to leave or Kain will somehow find a way to destroy this Tribunal one way or another, eventually in a billion years or so, since Tribunal has been bested before.

Originally posted by Burning thought
false your not getting what ime saying, TOAA is not the supreme of Nosgoth and its not part of the Marvel omniverse, not one part of it, theres nothing Living Tribunal can do to the Supreme that is Amy herring or the other designers and creators of the games nor their rules, LT is helpless to do anything in Nosgoth.

yeh. Marvel universes, but he gets his power from TOAA who does not excist in Nosgoth so technically LT becomes a giant yellow man and drops to the ground like a used cloth but ofc according to KMC rules he would still have his own power even if the source of it is gone, which means it would be his power VS a supreme creators rule, which he would never break, especially since the editors/creators of marvel have no canon in Nosgoth either.

so technically, it would be Living tribunal who is as helpless as a child in Nosgoth to do anything, he would either have to leave or Kain will somehow find a way to destroy this Tribunal one way or another, eventually in a billion years or so, since Tribunal has been bested before.

Well if u do logic like that, then Kain cant do anything to any character in a diferent game because they are in a different world, and ur suggesting that characters cant keep their powers when they come to a different world, LT has got his power from TOAA, TOAA is god, god created everything, the logic ur using is that characters cant use there powers if they come to a different world, which is pretty stupid, then kainwont even beat mario cuz mario is in a diffeerent world where the same rules dont apply, he wont beable to beat Ken Masters because Kain was born from his parents, and his parents never existed in the SF world..

What powers has Kain demonstrated that suggests hes "TOAA" in Nosgoth? Mephisto sure has suggested that he has the power of TOAA in his realm he created, by manipulating the time, creating beings, controlling everything in that realm, etc, yet Galactus the devourer of worlds, he has powers to warp entire galaxies and destroy entire galaxies with a gesture, he once came to Mephistos realm and almost absorbed it, LT has powers trillions times Galactus.

Originally posted by Terryc250
Well if u do logic like that, then Kain cant do anything to any character in a diferent game because they are in a different world, cant touch mario cuz mario is in a diffeerent world where the same rules dont apply.. anyway what powers has Kain demonstrated that suggests hes "TOAA" in Nosgoth? Mephisto sure has suggested that he has the power of TOAA in his realm he created, by manipulating the time, creating beings, controlling everything in that realm, etc, yet Galactus came to his realm and almost absorbed it.

no because there are not rules that make a diffrent to Kain in other worlds and most matches consist of a nutral environment, but sure if a being has an alternate world, Like Jedah has his Maijigen (spelling) then its truth that Kain would have to play by Jedahs rules in his own dimension, it makes sense

its not Kain who is TOAA, its Amy herring, TOAA is simply the embodiment and overall avatar sort of, of Marvel, wheras Amy Herring and the developers of legacy of kain games are Nosgoths TOAA and have stated officially Time is immutable in Nosgoth, its not kain who is doing it, its the world itself and the Developers, Living tribunal cannot overrule this rule set down by a creator.

If theres a rule in another universe set down and officiially stated by developers of the game then its the same, if in another gaming world gravity is diffrent then kain cannot do anything about it ofc