Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Also, Jedah would eat Seph's soul and just add it to his own power, only to realise that the boost in his power is so small he should have just thrown his soul away.
Wait, so Sephiroths soul would join into Jedah's?
If thats true, Jedah would become Sephiroths puppet
Can't prove a negative. What has ever tried to absorb Seph's soul? ONE thing, the Lifestream, and how powerful is its soul sucking abilities, it can only suck souls of people who die, Kain takes the souls from already living beings.
It isn't a negative you're proving... You just have to prove that Kain could absorb Sephiroth's soul, until you can, your entire argument is pulled out of your ass and all evidence says its wrong.✅
Also, Kain doesn't take the souls of the living, he kills them then takes their soul. Notice how the body is dying as he takes the soul?
Also, Jedah would eat Seph's soul and just add it to his own power, only to realise that the boost in his power is so small he should have just thrown his soul away.
Sure he would. Your life would be a lot better if you'd just accept the great Sephiroth is supreme.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
No, no such attacks exist in FF.Er, thats a damn good question. Think of it as pouring food coloring in water. It's a change that corrupts the lifestream and turning into Sephiroth's essence, Negative Lifestream.
As you suggest, it's impossible to know what would happen if he did. Unless the souls he devours merge with others, in which case all the souls he ever stole would become tainted and would add to Sephiroths power.
Corrupt the sword? not excactly the way to word it. It would simply becon a beacon for Sephiroth's power.
HOWEVER, for this discussion even to matter Sephiroth needs to be hit. Something i haven't see evidence that prove that. I assume you have seen the battle between Chaos & Weiss, Sephiroth's speed is greater than theirs. Even the dimensional shift doesn't seem faster enough to land a hit.
excellent, so he wont have a chance in hell of surviving it.....simple, nor will he have any knowledge, and even if he did, he doesnt have an ability since in his world there is no need for an ability because such a power does not excist
what do you keep talking about tainted for? first theres only one soul in the reaver, Raziels, all the other souls Raziel swallows, second, sentitent souls become non sentient in the reaver, at least to an extent, in the reaver no being no matter how great or small it absorbs become nothing when they go into the reaver, wether its the Hylden lord or another, Sephiroth will simply cease to excist once he goes into the sword as Raziel eats.
look above, also a beacon of sephiroths power? the sword is an inescapable prison, so he can be as powerful as he likes trapped in the sword, hell just have to stay in there...i.e....Sephiroth loses
what do you mean have not seen evidence? the dimensional rift sephiroth would not have a clue where Kain is coming from, Kain however does, he could appear behind, below, above...hell he could turn into mist and Sephiroth wouldnt even know that kain is there, hed just be thinking he has entered a cloud or mist mote....then suddenly kain has his sword in Sephiroth, Kain could play many tricks and Dimenstional teleportation is far quicker than sephiroth.....its basically instant, only over and over sephiroth slashes, like how Cloud does it only Cloud isnt instant a bit slower, but Sephiroth would not know where Kain is coming from so no matter how quick he is, it will not make a diffrence. Also how is sephiroth doing anything when he is not moving? if he is in TK shackles
Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Oh and BT, I bought LOK Defiance today. I can understand why you are such a big fan of the game, it is quite fun.
awsome, if ya need any help PM me, but hey...your playing as Kain and Raziel...whos gonna beat you? 😄
Originally posted by EvilAngel
To be honest, this is the only way i think that has been put forward that Sephiroth dies, sicne theres a snowballs chance in hell of Kain killing Seph out of Kenjutsu
whats this Kenjutsu place, ime confused
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
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Also, Kain doesn't take the souls of the living, he kills them then takes their soul. Notice how the body is dying as he takes the soul?Sure he would. Your life would be a lot better if you'd just accept the great Sephiroth is supreme.
what sense are you trying to make? none at all?.....Kain has many moves of soul attacks, he could either just stick his sword in which the soul is trapped in the blade....OR he could use soul death to blast the soul out of the body, killing the body in the process, then he has control over the soul OR...he can do a combo of blasting the soul out and then possessing the body, Sephiroth is little puppet on strings and kain will put him in for the Pinnochio competition
Sephiroth supreme lmao.......
Kain will TK shackle him, casually walk up to him and say a quote from Arnold schwarzenegger
"you are a F***ing Choir boy compared to me!!"
Originally posted by Burning thoughtSilly boy. You've already tried to make that point. Not attack exists like that in FF because Spirit Energy aka Lifestream cannot leave the boy until the being dies.
excellent, so he wont have a chance in hell of surviving it.....simple, nor will he have any knowledge, and even if he did, he doesnt have an ability since in his world there is no need for an ability because such a power does not excist
Originally posted by Burning thoughtOkay so the sword would still become corrupted. It's like geostigma, once sephiroth's essence gets inside you, you are doomed. Though this is a moot point
what do you keep talking about tainted for? first theres only one soul in the reaver, Raziels, all the other souls Raziel swallows, second, sentitent souls become non sentient in the reaver, at least to an extent, in the reaver no being no matter how great or small it absorbs become nothing when they go into the reaver, wether its the Hylden lord or another, Sephiroth will simply cease to excist once he goes into the sword as Raziel eats.
Originally posted by Burning thought
look above, also a beacon of sephiroths power? the sword is an inescapable prison, so he can be as powerful as he likes trapped in the sword, hell just have to stay in there...i.e....Sephiroth loses
Originally posted by Burning thoughtkains reaction time < Sephiroths. Instant or not, it doesn't matter.
what do you mean have not seen evidence? the dimensional rift sephiroth would not have a clue where Kain is coming from, Kain however does, he could appear behind, below, above...hell he could turn into mist and Sephiroth wouldnt even know that kain is there, hed just be thinking he has entered a cloud or mist mote....then suddenly kain has his sword in Sephiroth, Kain could play many tricks and Dimenstional teleportation is far quicker than sephiroth.....its basically instant, only over and over sephiroth slashes, like how Cloud does it only Cloud isnt instant a bit slower, but Sephiroth would not know where Kain is coming from so no matter how quick he is, it will not make a diffrence. Also how is sephiroth doing anything when he is not moving? if he is in TK shackles
Originally posted by Burning thought
whats this Kenjutsu place, ime confused
I was too lazy to type out Skill with a Sword, that what Kenjutsu is.
Sephiroth is way out of Kains league in sword skill.
Originally posted by EvilAngel
Silly boy. You've already tried to make that point. Not attack exists like that in FF because Spirit Energy aka Lifestream cannot leave the boy until the being dies.Okay so the sword would still become corrupted. It's like geostigma, once sephiroth's essence gets inside you, you are doomed. Though this is a moot point
Look above yourself.
kains reaction time < Sephiroths. Instant or not, it doesn't matter.
I was too lazy to type out Skill with a Sword, that what Kenjutsu is.
Sephiroth is way out of Kains league in sword skill.
can you show me where this is shown? i mean thats a silly thing to say, your calling me a silly boy when you just basically in LOK terms the soul cant leave the body until the body dies?...thats true in LOK...only diffrence is Kain forcefully rips it out, please show me where Sephiroth life essence is going to be forcefully ripped (not merely drained)....
theres no corrupted about it......Sephiroth will just be in the sword as an eternal prisoner, nobodies doomed apart from Sephiroth
you think so? since when is it faster reaction time....he has power over the mind concept itself, speed comes from mind, aslo this is a moot point, Kain wont be reacting, hell just be all around Sephiroth over and over again, but as i said, Sephiroth will not be moving anyway. So Sephiroths reaction time is above instant..show me
again, what makes you think he is way out of Sephiroths league with a sword?.....Canonically speaking Sephiroths skill simply comes from his SOLDIER training doesnt it? if not show me where else it comes from...
Kain has been the charger AND the general in several major battles and has been alive fighting for a good few thousand years, and you think Sephiroth who i doubt comes anywhere near that is as impressive in sword skill.....Training<<<<<<Wordly experiance, Also half the time Sephiroth will not even have a sword with kain making it fly off, and as you said..he keeps making another? how long does it take to make another, if its instant then hell keep getting put offguard over and over as his swords keep disapearing and kain can still attack...
Originally posted by Burning thoughtI don't think you can rip it out, the spirit energy is bound to the life of the being. That's my entire point.
can you show me where this is shown? i mean thats a silly thing to say, your calling me a silly boy when you just basically in LOK terms the soul cant leave the body until the body dies?...thats true in LOK...only diffrence is Kain forcefully rips it out, please show me where Sephiroth life essence is going to be forcefully ripped (not merely drained)....
Originally posted by Burning thoughtSorry, but it will become corrupted. It is absorded by the sword, your own words. People in FFVII absorbed more spirit energy as they grow, some of those people absorbed negative lifestream, they got geostigma. The sword absorbs Sephiroth, the sword will become corrupted.
theres no corrupted about it......Sephiroth will just be in the sword as an eternal prisoner, nobodies doomed apart from Sephiroth
Originally posted by Burning thoughtReaction time and reflexes i meant, sorry for forgetting that important detail. My point was that i have yet to see Kain fight at the speeds Sephieoth can.
you think so? since when is it faster reaction time....he has power over the mind concept itself, speed comes from mind, aslo this is a moot point, Kain wont be reacting, hell just be all around Sephiroth over and over again, but as i said, Sephiroth will not be moving anyway. So Sephiroths reaction time is above instant..show me
Originally posted by Burning thought
again, what makes you think he is way out of Sephiroths league with a sword?.....Canonically speaking Sephiroths skill simply comes from his SOLDIER training doesnt it? if not show me where else it comes from...Kain has been the charger AND the general in several major battles and has been alive fighting for a good few thousand years, and you think Sephiroth who i doubt comes anywhere near that is as impressive in sword skill.....Training<<<<<<Wordly experiance, Also half the time Sephiroth will not even have a sword with kain making it fly off, and as you said..he keeps making another? how long does it take to make another, if its instant then hell keep getting put offguard over and over as his swords keep disapearing and kain can still attack...
Unsure to be honest, I think it's the Jenova Cells, but no evidence to support that directly
Yet it's instant, and how long does it take Kain to disarm him? how do you know his disarm is strong enough to do so to Sephiroth? Can he disarm while he is fighting? Can he disarm while he is DS? (Dimensional Shifting)
Gonna use this an example of Sephiroths sword skill.
Notice how he is so obviously toying with them, the top soldier in the world (him aside) and he can toy around so carelessly. Notice at how in 0:55 he moves to the side, making Angeals (Best Trainer to members of Solider) attack miss utterbly. He overpowers them totally with a single arm at 1:03.
And all this is before he creates Negative Lifestream. The current Sephiroth is severalty times this. At this point he only has his mass as lifestream that powers him further. All the negative Lifestream you see in AC powers him further. Now can you see where i'm comnig from as to Sephiroth's insane power?
If you haven't seen AC this video i will use to show you the Negative Lifestream (please for the lvoe of god ignore the horrific english dub)
2:13 - 2:21 you see the Negative Lifestream descend
What evidence do you have to put Kain next to him? Videos are appreaciated
Originally posted by EvilAngel
I don't think you can rip it out, the spirit energy is bound to the life of the being. That's my entire point.Sorry, but it will become corrupted. It is absorded by the sword, your own words. People in FFVII absorbed more spirit energy as they grow, some of those people absorbed negative lifestream, they got geostigma. The sword absorbs Sephiroth, the sword will become corrupted.
Reaction time and reflexes i meant, sorry for forgetting that important detail. My point was that i have yet to see Kain fight at the speeds Sephieoth can.
Unsure to be honest, I think it's the Jenova Cells, but no evidence to support that directly
Yet it's instant, and how long does it take Kain to disarm him? how do you know his disarm is strong enough to do so to Sephiroth? Can he disarm while he is fighting? Can he disarm while he is DS? (Dimensional Shifting)
Gonna use this an example of Sephiroths sword skill.
Notice how he is so obviously toying with them, the top soldier in the world (him aside) and he can toy around so carelessly. Notice at how in 0:55 he moves to the side, making Angeals (Best Trainer to members of Solider) attack miss utterbly. He overpowers them totally with a single arm at 1:03.
And all this is before he creates Negative Lifestream. The current Sephiroth is severalty times this. At this point he only has his mass as lifestream that powers him further. All the negative Lifestream you see in AC powers him further. Now can you see where i'm comnig from as to Sephiroth's insane power?
If you haven't seen AC this video i will use to show you the Negative Lifestream (please for the lvoe of god ignore the horrific english dub)
2:13 - 2:21 you see the Negative Lifestream descend
What evidence do you have to put Kain next to him? Videos are appreaciated
spirit energy is bound to the life of the being, then the being will die when Kain severs the link and takes the spirit...simple....
become corrupted? well then it will be the corrutped soul reaver then....and Sephiroth trapped inside still....simple...again
he will be dimensioning, thats faster than Sephiroth, because Kain is not having to cover space, he will just be instantly wherever sephiroth is, then go into dimension then do it again, over and over and over....thats faster than sephiroth, its not like Kains going to be floating there sword fighting with the guy.
it takes about as long as sephiroth takes to create a new one, maybe less since the sword is created from the hilt upwards according to the video and takes a split second, kain would just need a gesture to either cripple spehiroth and put him in TK shackles or more. He cannot do it while in another dimension, but he can do it while fighting, its TK, he just moves his hand and he could open Sephiroths fingers making him drop his sword, OR simply tak the sword from him, if its strong enough to throw fulling armoured men around with ease and break rock he can open Sephiroths fingers and take his light blade away from him. He could hold Sephiroth, its not simply a matter of strength, its a combination of kinetic force, mind and strength in one.
there are no fighting cinematics, theres one point where Kain moves fairly fast without using any abilities but his speed is irrelevent since he will be dimensioning
Evidence in kains skill comes from his incredible amount of battle experiance, simple....you never actually see kain fight in one on one combat with his sword simply because he doesnt have to does he, he could simply with a gesture have most opponents on the floor
Originally posted by fascistcrusaderYou said prove he isn't. That is proving a negative, which is impossible. YOU have to prove Kain can resist having his soul SUCKED OUT. Seph just resisted going to the afterlife pretty much. Sorry, but my argument>yours.
Can't prove a negative. What has ever tried to absorb Seph's soul? ONE thing, the Lifestream, and how powerful is its soul sucking abilities, it can only suck souls of people who die, Kain takes the souls from already living beings.It isn't a negative you're proving... You just have to prove that Kain could absorb Sephiroth's soul, until you can, your entire argument is pulled out of your ass and all evidence says its wrong.✅
Also, Kain doesn't take the souls of the living, he kills them then takes their soul. Notice how the body is dying as he takes the soul?
Also, Jedah would eat Seph's soul and just add it to his own power, only to realise that the boost in his power is so small he should have just thrown his soul away.
Sure he would. Your life would be a lot better if you'd just accept the great Sephiroth is supreme.
The body is weakened, oh, and its not like Kain won't be able to weaken the inferior Sephiroth. Also, I think that is just gameplay mechanics.
No, Seph is not supreme, I could list so many characters that would shitstomp his so easily its scary.
And no, he will not possess Jedah Evil Angel, Jedah's mastery of souls is greater than the Lifestream.
Originally posted by Burning thought
spirit energy is bound to the life of the being, then the being will die when Kain severs the link and takes the spirit...simple....
The spirit energy doesn't exist until the being is dead.
Why is it so hard to understand. This doesn't work the way it does in Kains world.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtNot really, Sephiroth can use any corrupted spirit energy to form a new body. As seen in Advent Children
become corrupted? well then it will be the corrutped soul reaver then....and Sephiroth trapped inside still....simple...again
Originally posted by Burning thought
he will be dimensioning, thats faster than Sephiroth, because Kain is not having to cover space, he will just be instantly wherever sephiroth is, then go into dimension then do it again, over and over and over....thats faster than sephiroth, its not like Kains going to be floating there sword fighting with the guy.
I see i again didn't make my point clear. Okay, let me draw you the scenario thats in my head
Kain comes out of the shift behind Sephiroth. Sephiorth uses his insane speed to slice through Kain before he can react.
That's what you need to disprove
0:55 - 0:57
Sephiroth possess even greater speed that that.
Originally posted by Burning thought
it takes about as long as sephiroth takes to create a new one, maybe less since the sword is created from the hilt upwards according to the video and takes a split second, kain would just need a gesture to either cripple spehiroth and put him in TK shackles or more. He cannot do it while in another dimension, but he can do it while fighting, its TK, he just moves his hand and he could open Sephiroths fingers making him drop his sword, OR simply tak the sword from him, if its strong enough to throw fulling armoured men around with ease and break rock he can open Sephiroths fingers and take his light blade away from him. He could hold Sephiroth, its not simply a matter of strength, its a combination of kinetic force, mind and strength in one.
How can he make a gesture is both hands are on his sword?
One hand on his sword, he would be overpowered, and sliced into sushi halfways through his gesture.
Not to mention we have yet to see any magic or materia affect Sephiroth...
We don't know the true strength of Sephiroth, thus you can't say Kain is stronger. It's more than likely Sephiroth is now a great deal stronger than kain.
Pre-FFVII Sephiroth could slice through metal like it was butter. Currently Sephiroth is way beyond that Sephiroth in every aspect. I would put Sephiroth's strength wel ahead of kains.
Originally posted by Burning thought
there are no fighting cinematics, theres one point where Kain moves fairly fast without using any abilities but his speed is irrelevent since he will be dimensioning
then so far as you know, kain is a slouch. I smell sushi.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtIf he never needs to fight one on one then i'm guess he doesn't do it alot. From that i can decude he isn't exactly experienced in one on one fighting.
Evidence in kains skill comes from his incredible amount of battle experiance, simple....you never actually see kain fight in one on one combat with his sword simply because he doesnt have to does he, he could simply with a gesture have most opponents on the floor
Originally posted by EvilAngel
The spirit energy doesn't exist until the being is dead.Why is it so hard to understand. This doesn't work the way it does in Kains world.
Not really, Sephiroth can use any corrupted spirit energy to form a new body. As seen in Advent Children
I see i again didn't make my point clear. Okay, let me draw you the scenario thats in my head
Kain comes out of the shift behind Sephiroth. Sephiorth uses his insane speed to slice through Kain before he can react.
That's what you need to disprove
0:55 - 0:57
Sephiroth possess even greater speed that that.
How can he make a gesture is both hands are on his sword?
One hand on his sword, he would be overpowered, and sliced into sushi halfways through his gesture.
Not to mention we have yet to see any magic or materia affect Sephiroth...
We don't know the true strength of Sephiroth, thus you can't say Kain is stronger. It's more than likely Sephiroth is now a great deal stronger than kain.
Pre-FFVII Sephiroth could slice through metal like it was butter. Currently Sephiroth is way beyond that Sephiroth in every aspect. I would put Sephiroth's strength wel ahead of kains.
then so far as you know, kain is a slouch. I smell sushi.
If he never needs to fight one on one then i'm guess he doesn't do it alot. From that i can decude he isn't exactly experienced in one on one fighting.
its hard to comprehend, your saying spirit energy does not appear until beings are dead, its hard to understand because in the real world, people who belive in souls and in most fiction, souls and spirit is always inside you, what your saying sounds like our world, where the spirit only comes out and goes to heaven or hell (whatever someone belives it goes)....Kain would forcefully rip this...
Also otherwise what can you be saying, theres nothing inside sephiroth, good then Kain can possess him and take the wheel.
and...he can form as many bodies as he wants in the Reaver, hes trapped and it would be pointless....waste of time
Who then reforms but anyway, Dimension warp is incredible fast, didnt you watch the video, he just warps out, thats faster than Sephiroth, its not exactley slow at all......i smell Bias
also, why am i debating this is Kain not immortal? ime guessing he must not be for this fight otherwise its silly, he doesnt have time either now does he.
He fights one handed, his one arm can smash through tough thick conrete, he wont be overpowered at all, especially not when Sephiroths sword is fighting against him, a gesture is quick, like a wave of his hand....and Sephiroth is contricted and held in kains grip using TK
so...TK is not magic or materia...
your assuming his stronger even though we dont know how strong he is?...Kain has evoled in every way across over 10 thousand years, even as a young kain he could throw over most enemies and grip a massive knight covered in armour with one arm, and he is weak in this mode.
you prob would, you seem to be bias towards sephiroth.
not really, sushi for a small amount of time, then kain reforms.....not that this would happen, your saying kains a slouch? you watch the video?...thats not a slouch even if it is slower than sephiroth, its not by much, and thats without using any powers, Dimension warp is 100 times faster.
no he doesnt, he fights one on many most of the time.....and one on one i think hes done that a few times, maybe 3/4...infact hes done it alot, against the most powerful wizards in the realm but not sword fighting, sword fighitng hes beaten Hylden lord, Raziel and Malek from my memory alone
also the Video, those characters look like their going Dimension warping, only their not going out of dimension and their moving across space, wheras Kain is not, he is not having to cover a distance at that speed. Also your using the same logic as what you used in the other thread, DJ vs Sephiroth, what proof do you have that he can actually go as fast as they?
Found this, this is where it's explained to you in the game, best if you just watch this
? possession? explain that to me
No, he wouldn't form bodies in the reaver, the reaver itself would become Sephiroth
Sephiroth would slash him several times in the time it takes Kain to get a hit in, from the video you shown me. How immortal is he? Sephiroth cuts him into 7 pieces, what is going to happen?
Then Kain would definatly lose in a sword fight. Quick gesture? you watch the video i posted?? Sephiroth is faster than that, the time between his strikes are like hundreths of a second.
oh, TK, one of the other KMC members say Sephiroth his immune to that, but i've never heard of it in waht i've seen so i'll sumbit to that for now. However, normally TK only works if your will is much greater than the targets. If that reamins true i will agrue against it.
I'm Bias towwards Sephiroth, thats true, one of my favourite bosses, however, i am not bending his powers. I am bias here because you are taking one hell of a convicning.
You as Bias for Kain, no bodies perfect.
Reforms eh? Sephiroth as shown mastery over Gravity, Fire and Darkness. can kain be vapourzed? If that a no, Sephiroth only realy option is to manipulation gravity to scatter kains pieces.
Er, not sure what to say about the last one. I'm pretty Sure in one on one Sephiroth holds the experience belt
Originally posted by EvilAngel
Found this, this is where it's explained to you in the game, best if you just watch this? possession? explain that to me
No, he wouldn't form bodies in the reaver, the reaver itself would become Sephiroth
Sephiroth would slash him several times in the time it takes Kain to get a hit in, from the video you shown me. How immortal is he? Sephiroth cuts him into 7 pieces, what is going to happen?
Then Kain would definatly lose in a sword fight. Quick gesture? you watch the video i posted?? Sephiroth is faster than that, the time between his strikes are like hundreths of a second.
oh, TK, one of the other KMC members say Sephiroth his immune to that, but i've never heard of it in waht i've seen so i'll sumbit to that for now. However, normally TK only works if your will is much greater than the targets. If that reamins true i will agrue against it.
I'm Bias towwards Sephiroth, thats true, one of my favourite bosses, however, i am not bending his powers. I am bias here because you are taking one hell of a convicning.
You as Bias for Kain, no bodies perfect.
Reforms eh? Sephiroth as shown mastery over Gravity, Fire and Darkness. can kain be vapourzed? If that a no, Sephiroth only realy option is to manipulation gravity to scatter kains pieces.
Er, not sure what to say about the last one. I'm pretty Sure in one on one Sephiroth holds the experience belt
okie...
wtf....the reaver itself? the things indestructable, also i dont know why i have not asked for proof, prove he can turn inanimate objects like a sword into himself or a body, sounds like a load of rubbish, especially a blade that cannot be broken and is host to a spirit, but this is moot, since as i told you before (yu prob did not read it) eneities like souls do not have sentience when they go into the reaver.
anything, Kain simpy cannot die, completly immortal, you could vaporise him, its a rule about kain, no matter what happens he will survive. But sephiroth wont touch kain, he isnt going to be that much faster, not with Kain dimensoning and TKing to slow Sephiroth down..
lol rubbish their not that quick, their quick but a movement of kains hand and Sephiroth would be under his mercy, also Sephiroth would have to travel distance to hit kain, i dont think they start the battle an arm away from eachother.
TK? will....TK is simply kain using force to move a being, using a combination of kinetic energy and force itself, Will has no effect on it since Moebius who has a great will and intelligence does not have any effect on kains TK powers, the only limitation on Kains TK is that he could not pick up an object much bigger than a human, for example something over 10 ft is likely.
thats because the convincing is not going to work against kain, you looking at the speed of sephiroth and saying its faster than kain, yet ime not seeing the same thing, the dimension warp is faster than sephiroth and in the time kain is moving he is not actually traveling distance and is not presecnt in the world.
he would reform from nothing if he has to, the Fact and rule is that Kain cannot die...simple as...the way in which he reforms or comes back is irrelevent, sometimes he simply forms from vapours in the air, other times bats form him....oddly enough. The fact is, if Sephiroth finds away around those types of formings, then Kain would have to reform another way.
pieces, as soon as he is pieces he turn to vapour or bats so you cant manipulate gravity on vapour, but anyway see above.
your sure? hm.....well ime sure Kain has more experiance under his belt...snap