Martian Manhunter vs World War Hulk

Originally posted by Kento
Grabbing energy doesn't mean he'd hit something like Kitty or Martian Manhunter while they are phased though. Has he ever hit anybody that was intangible? Energy while may not be able to have people grab them they were physical enough to hurt him while MM and Kitty go through stuff. And J'onn wouldn't be doing an illusion or mind control. J'onn would be his wife and nothing Hulk could do would see through it because J'onn shapeshifts not makes illusions. I don't think J'onn has the speed or strength to beat Hulk but he has plenty of other ways to fight.

Hulk has astral level perception though. If J'onn were to do something like that, Hulk would see through it.

In addition, J'onns intangibility works different than that of Kitty.

As I mentioned, Hulk has affected intangible things in the past, so he has a track record there, for example trapping Vision in his body, and punching into Wonderman.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Hulk has astral level perception though. If J'onn were to do something like that, Hulk would see through it.

In addition, J'onns intangibility works different than that of Kitty.

As I mentioned, Hulk has affected intangible things in the past, so he has a track record there, for example trapping Vision in his body, and punching into Wonderman.

Originally posted by Kento
Hulk can see astral projections helps him how in seeing through shapeshifting which isn't an illusion? And I never said J'onn would be invisible to him. And did vision go tangible inside Hulk or was he still intangible and was unable to get out? Also how are Kitty, J'onn, and Vision different in how they go intangible? Also energy and the way Kitty, and J'onn are intangible are completely different also so just because he can grab energy doesn't mean he can grab Kitty. And Wonderman can go intangible??

In regards to the astral sight, the reason I mention that is that Hulk can see if someone is who they say they are. J'onn would be unable to shapechange his spirit, Hulk would see through the illusion / shapechange as he has seen through other illusions. Keep in mind this is WWH we're talking about here, he isn't a total moron like the other Hulks, and this is an arena match - he knows who he's up against. If he's in the middle of an arena and he knows he's fighting someone, duplicating Caeira's appearance is only going to make him more angry.

In regards to Vision getting trapped, Vision was still intangible when he got trapped inside. Vision was caught totally off guard by this and wasn't expecting it at all.

In regards to J'onns power versus Kittys power, it was mentioned earlier in this thread that they use different techniques for their intangibility and why.

In regards to Wonderman, no he wasn't intangible, but his skin was considered unbreakable at the time, and everybody was surprised that Hulk was able to punch through him and into him. It's just an instance to Hulk's body adapting to fight energy.

Originally posted by Kutulu
In regards to the astral sight, the reason I mention that is that Hulk can see if someone is who they say they are. J'onn would be unable to shapechange his spirit, Hulk would see through the illusion / shapechange as he has seen through other illusions. Keep in mind this is WWH we're talking about here, he isn't a total moron like the other Hulks, and this is an arena match - he knows who he's up against. If he's in the middle of an arena and he knows he's fighting someone, duplicating Caeira's appearance is only going to make him more angry.

In regards to Vision getting trapped, Vision was still intangible when he got trapped inside. Vision was caught totally off guard by this and wasn't expecting it at all.

In regards to J'onns power versus Kittys power, it was mentioned earlier in this thread that they use different techniques for their intangibility and why.

In regards to Wonderman, no he wasn't intangible, but his skin was considered unbreakable at the time, and everybody was surprised that Hulk was able to punch through him and into him. It's just an instance to Hulk's body adapting to fight energy.

Originally posted by Kento
Okay yeah....I'm out of reason's why my plan may work.. 😕 I can see it as a stalemate maybe more of a waiting game though. J'onn seeing who can last longer himself or Hulk while he's intangible and puching Hulk if he can make his fist tangible while the rest of him isn't and fast enough so Hulk doesn't grab him.

Yeah, but Hulk has a counter for that because he's not just strength, you know. He's also my favorite.

Originally posted by KK the Great
Yeah, but Hulk has a counter for that because he's not just strength, you know. He's also my favorite.

I've shown my point through scans in past postings, you've said nothing except shit so far.

Originally posted by KK the Great
Yeah, but Hulk has a counter for that because he's not just strength, you know. He's also my favorite.

you can't advance an argument other than merely repeating that a form of attack would work (why? because you want it to?), when evidence and form cites that it likely would not.

Hulk has a counter for shit. That's what allows him to fight Wolverine. Also gamma radiation. But not just strength. It's on the astral level, you understand.

Originally posted by KK the Great
Hulk has a counter for shit. That's what allows him to fight Wolverine. Also gamma radiation. But not just strength. It's on the astral level, you understand.

Could you watch the language, please? There are Hulk fans present.

Originally posted by KK the Great
Could you watch the language, please? There are Hulk fans present.

Originally posted by KK the Great
Hulk has a counter for shit. That's what allows him to fight Wolverine. Also gamma radiation. But not just strength. It's on the astral level, you understand.

So your counter is basically saying that you're an idiot and don't like what people supporting the Hulk say, you have no actual debate here. Why bother posting?

What else do you expect me to say when your arguments include crap like "Hulk can handle intangible opponents because he punched Wonder Man" and other equally nonsensical points?

I suppose I could use the same simple-minded style of logic you employ and simply flood the board with scans of J'onn fighting Hulk-like brick characters, say "See? He has a counter for Hulk," and call it an argument, but I think just mocking your fanboyism is more amusing.

Originally posted by KK the Great
What else do you expect me to say when your arguments include crap like "Hulk can handle intangible opponents because he punched Wonder Man" and other equally nonsensical points?

didnt he give an example of visions phasing powers? Or something like that.....

Originally posted by Alfheim
didnt he give an example of visions phasing powers? Or something like that.....

And unless he's thinking of a different scene than the one I'm thinking of, his interpretation is more than a little off, which seems to be par for the course.

Well ive seen him make this case many times as an argument against MMs phasing.

Originally posted by Kutulu

In regards to Vision getting trapped, Vision was still intangible when he got trapped inside. Vision was caught totally off guard by this and wasn't expecting it at all.
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Originally posted by KK the Great
What else do you expect me to say when your arguments include crap like "Hulk can handle intangible opponents because he punched Wonder Man" and other equally nonsensical points?

I suppose I could use the same simple-minded style of logic you employ and simply flood the board with scans of J'onn fighting Hulk-like brick characters, say "See? He has a counter for Hulk," and call it an argument, but I think just mocking your fanboyism is more amusing.

Ok explain to me which part you disagree with then, instead of acting like a complete 'tard. Do you deny that Hulk has trapped Vision inside of him?

Originally posted by Kento
Okay yeah....I'm out of reason's why my plan may work.. 😕 I can see it as a stalemate maybe more of a waiting game though. J'onn seeing who can last longer himself or Hulk while he's intangible and puching Hulk if he can make his fist tangible while the rest of him isn't and fast enough so Hulk doesn't grab him.

When J'onn was mystically separated from his John Johns persona and John Johns became an individual being, John ended up being infected by an Apokalyptian virus that turned him into a hulking monster said to be stronger than Superman.

Upon being attacked by this overwhelmingly powerful monster, who was powered by rage, spoke in the third person, and wore the tattered remains of ill-fitting clothes, he first phased into the ground, then resurfaced not in humanoid form, but as a mesh of polymer strands. He coiled around the hulking man and negated leverage, basically removing strength from the equation. As the hulking John struggled, J'onn telepathically calmed him until he reverted to his human form.

ZOMG COUNTER TO THE HULK!!!!!!!1

Just to clarify, what I think EC is trying to say is that preventing mind control via a strong will does not mean other forms of telepathy aren't effective.

Several characters who have strong defenses against mind control and mind reading type telepathy via a combination of electromagnetic powers, shapeshifting, animalistic nature and/or strong willpower; and even telepaths themselves, can and have been felled by psiblasts or rendered unable to fight using other forms of telepathy.

Also to clarify why EC keeps talking about orgasms... manipulating biological functions is another facet of telepathy. Although J'onn's never been as "inventive":

as Emma afaik.