Martian Manhunter vs World War Hulk

Making an opponent orgasm isn't likely to be something that would ever cross his mind, if he even has a frame of reference for what a human orgasm feels like.

But he's gotten inventive with telepathy. Telepathically transferring physical pain from one group of people to another and multiplying it. Making a person relive all of his worst memories simultaneously and looped. Discovering an opponent's worst fear and shape-shifting to become that fear, or similarly manipulating a whole army so that each person sees him as their greatest fear. Thrusting someone into the mind of The Joker to face his inner demons. Things like that.

J'onn takes a very healthy majority. The reasons have already been stated time and time again - this never needed to get past page one.

Originally posted by Kutulu
I've shown my point through scans in past postings, you've said nothing except shit so far.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Orgasm attack? Err... moving along... I don't quite see how a synapse attack would very much differ from a telepathic mind assault or how willpower does not prove to counter it. Care to explain a lil more?

Willpower can only come into play when both individuals have some sort of control over the same thing. Hulk has control over his own movements he has control over his own conscious thoughts. He even has control over his breathing. Therefore he can fight off mind control quite easily just like Storm just like Wolverine etc. . He does not have control over how fast his heart pumps, or how when he receives a an orgasm. Therefore willpower does not come into play in that scenario. And it wouldn't come into play in the misfiring of synapses(Mind Fry) or a Psi blast(Blast of psionic energy). Which makes the Hulk resistant to mind control which he's always been due to his dual persona. But not immune to the art of telepathy itself.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Just to clarify, what I think EC is trying to say is that preventing mind control via a strong will does not mean other forms of telepathy aren't effective.

Several characters who have strong defenses against mind control and mind reading type telepathy via a combination of electromagnetic powers, shapeshifting, animalistic nature and/or strong willpower; and even telepaths themselves, can and have been felled by psiblasts or rendered unable to fight using other forms of telepathy.

Also to clarify why EC keeps talking about orgasms... manipulating biological functions is another facet of telepathy. Although J'onn's never been as "inventive":

as Emma afaik.

Pretty much what X said. Although I do agree about the inventive comment so whether it would cross his mind is another story.

Umm, I think it's reasonable to state that healing factor can work without the brain. Superscience be damned, but people have regenerated without brains and retained their memories. And your difficulty believing that such regeneration could take place when your logic states that multiple bodies should then emerge can be explained by the soul. It's the soul that matters. A person's essence/spirit and that is singular. All the metaphysical mumbo-jumbo going on in Wolverine nowadays is evidence that the soul is important to healing factor.

That is a pretty interesting point. What would that make clones though?

And being completely submerged and fused into the ground would suck. Although I think the sheer moment it happens, the pain would affect a torrent of rage and Hulk's gamma energy output would essentially expel and obliterate the intruding mass in an explosion and he'd regenerate thereafter. But this hypothetical is pretty meaningless since J'onn can't do what Kitty can do. This isn't Kitty vs. WWH.

That was an off topic response to an off topic question. It really had more to do with Kitty then it did to Jonn. 😛

Originally posted by Horrificus
All you have done, is babble endlessly for page after page.
Hey, goofy, guess what, you aresaying the same things over and over, and you have been countered by several different people.
You repeating the same thing, does not mean you are winning!
What a tard. 😆
Why don't you just write a gay song for yourself:
Astral projection, Vision, Dr. Strange, can see spirits, astral projection, Vision, Dr. Strange, can see spirits, Astral projection, Vision, Dr. Strange, can see spirits, astral projection, Vision, Dr. Strange, can see spirits, Astral projection, Vision, Dr. Strange, can see spirits, astral projection, Vision, Dr. Strange, can see spirits, Astral projection, Vision, Dr. Strange, can see spirits, astral projection, Vision, Dr. Strange, can see spirits...
I mean, Dude! Are you having an embolism or something?
Your chants don't have anything to do with MM. Keep chanting. It still doesn't matter. We aren't talking about out of body experiences, or disembodied spirits, you goof!
We are talking about invisibility and intangibility. Spirits, by definition, can effect the "real world". There is something there. That is, by definition, why people are scared of ghosts. Not because they can't be seen, and can't do anything to anybody. Myth has it that they can.
So, perhaps Hulk can effect them in return, since there is obviously something about spritual manifestation that strives to be solid.
Intangible, means just that. Intangible. No substance. Cannot effect, and cannot be effected by physical forms.
The feats involving Hulk effecting spiritual forms have been wildcards, at the least. Unless you can show that he has done this every time, and can control it, rely on it, and work with it, you can't use it. It's a fluke. An abberation. Something that needs explaining in the future. But, it is not a useable part of his powerset.
Also, unless you can prove that MM's power is the same as the Vision's, you fail. AGAIN.

Woah, whatever you're smoking, I want some too. Pass that over here mang! durpot

Yes the guy, talking about telepathy induced sexual stimulation has obviously read some Julian May.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Woah, whatever you're smoking, I want some too. Pass that over here mang! durpot

Did I read somewhere in this post that J'onn telepathically took the Spectre into the mind of the Joker? I didnt read the issue obviously, but if this is true, I need to ask a question or two.

1. Is the Spectre a sissy? I'm starting to lose respect for this guy with crap like this and batkicks and all.

2. Why in the world would the Spectre need help from anybody like J'onn?

Seriously guys. I dont know that much about the Spectre. I was just wondering.

Originally posted by tkitna
Did I read somewhere in this post that J'onn telepathically took the Spectre into the mind of the Joker? I didnt read the issue obviously, but if this is true, I need to ask a question or two.

1. Is the Spectre a sissy? I'm starting to lose respect for this guy with crap like this and batkicks and all.

2. Why in the world would the Spectre need help from anybody like J'onn?

Seriously guys. I dont know that much about the Spectre. I was just wondering.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Do you deny that Hulk has trapped Vision inside of him?

Are you talking about the Byrne Hulkzilla storyline, or is there another instance you're thinking of?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Looking at it again. I agree with the first part.

But I already covered that point by stating that everyone and their grandmother resists mind control. The fact that Xavier resorted to mind control instead of a synapse attack would be CIS on his part. Mind control resistance isn't going to save the Hulk from a telepath using their powers to it's fullest. He's resistant to mind control not immune to telepathy.

So you're saying everman and his dog can resist Xaviers midn control? 😬

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

She stated it, yet it doesn't make any sense since she was in Diamond Form throughout her entire encounter with the Hulk. Any off panel scenes were she was brawling with the Hulk would have her in her Diamond Form. Once Madrox freed her from the ground she changed to Human Form and we were shown every scene up to the panel where she tells Syrin that. So unless she can use her powers in Diamond Form now...it really doesn't make any sense.

.....I'll look into it....

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

But that really doesn't matter because Mind Control practically always fails 9 times out of 10. eg Storm, Wolverine etc...Telepaths are more then that. And MM is certainly more then that.

Hes resisted the stranger apprently who is more powerful than Xavier.

Originally posted by Alfheim
So you're saying everman and his dog can resist Xaviers midn control? 😬

Pretty much.

Telepaths are difficult for all but the best of writers to handle effectively, so quite often they get written out with some lame-ass "oh noes! his mind is too CRAAAAZY for telepathy!" stock cop-out.

If Writer X needs Random Douchebag Y to be a threat for more than one panel, and a telepathic character is present, you can bet he'll make Random Douchebag Y's mind "like a storm of anger" or some nonsense to give the telepath a seizure.

Anyway he resisted the stranger who is more powerful than Xavier....

Originally posted by Horrificus

We are talking about invisibility and intangibility. Spirits, by definition, can effect the "real world". There is something there. That is, by definition, why people are scared of ghosts. Not because they can't be seen, and can't do anything to anybody. Myth has it that they can.
So, perhaps Hulk can effect them in return, since there is obviously something about spritual manifestation that strives to be solid.
Intangible, means just that. Intangible. No substance. Cannot effect, and cannot be effected by physical forms.

I have a feeling that the feats described by Kutlu would not have just been about spirits. Hell look at the respect thread you see The HUlk having abilties to deal with illusions that are not concerned with spirits.

Originally posted by Horrificus

The feats involving Hulk effecting spiritual forms have been wildcards, at the least. Unless you can show that he has done this every time, and can control it, rely on it, and work with it, you can't use it. It's a fluke. An abberation. Something that needs exp1laining in the future. But, it is not a useable part of his powerset.

1. http://img53.echo.cx/img53/8946/mystical049yd.jpg
2. http://img53.echo.cx/img53/7448/mystical035hd.jpg
3. http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/...stical117iu.jpg
4. Defenders where Hulk sees Strange in astral form.....4 times is not a fluke.

Just to make things clear..

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/h/hulk.htm

The Hulk has two powers apparently not related to his physical attributes, he can see astral forms,

Ok thats the end of that.

The Stranger himself says that Hulk was the only one with the pure brute strength to break from his hold, which says to me that it wasn't overcoming telepathy so much as it was overpowering telekinesis.

Yeah to be fair that does seem the case......resisting Loki..... maybe...

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

Hulks resistant to mind control not immune to telepathy.

This a weaker version of the Hulk resisting a different type of TP attack, so hes not just resistant to mind control but different types of TP.

http://img145.exs.cx/img145/9643/selene7xg.jpg

Originally posted by Horrificus
Ha!
Good response.

Sad really.

Originally posted by Nod
Its what he does when he knows hes beat and has no idea what to say back.

Sad really.

Troll and possibly a sock.

Originally posted by Alfheim
This a weaker version of the Hulk resisting a different type of TP attack, so hes not just resistant to mind control but different types of TP.

http://img145.exs.cx/img145/9643/selene7xg.jpg

Are any of the scans posted actually as advertised?

She blasts him and knocks him down, and then he attacks her while she's monologuing.

For as impressive as you guy made that Big List O' Links appear at first glance, your case isn't actually all that strong, is it?

Originally posted by KK the Great
Are any of the scans posted actually as advertised?

She blasts him and knocks him down, and then he attacks her while she's monologuing.

For as impressive as you guy made that Big List O' Links appear at first glance, your case isn't actually all that strong, is it?

I dont know what you're talking about Selene mind blasts Hulk resists

http://img156.echo.cx/img156/6821/leader26rr.jpg

This also Hulk resisting Leaders illusions attack...this again is a weaker version of the Hulk. Also there is a scan of him resisting Man-Beasts Hate which is an emotion based attack.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont know what you're talking about Selene mind blasts Hulk resists

You realize I can read, right?

The least you could do is doctor the scans to make them match your description.