Originally posted by Burning thought
no i have not, watch the Raziel VS kain video again, the end and beginning are game cincematics, not gameplay, your looking at the slow gameplay elements to give Raziel a chance, the thing he does at the end without his sword is much much faster and is not a spellwhat abilities? i gave u the spell list already
prove to me holy is mist please and that your not simply overhypging again, and ime watching the videos your showing me, sephiroth isnt that quick at all in that 2nd video just there, hes faster than a normal human but i can easily trace him, your talking rubbish about moving instantly..
when have you seen the [B]SOUL
reaver hit regular enemies? the soul reaver one hits regular enemies and the immolate spell does as well, only from rangethose TK abilities are terrible, first he doesnt have much control over them, they keep moving in and all he does is push them out again, thats bad TK, Kain would have them completly stuck, same with Sephiroth, can you show me sephiroth keeping someone in place like kain does Mobius in the vid below, also that TK building thing took him a while, he turns around, concentrates and opens his arms, the time it took him to TK that building down is about the same time as kains slowest attack, the immolate spell.....
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heres kains TK, he can control and hold beings from moving complely (unlike sephiroth) can throw small objects like the staff (not seen Sephiroth do that before, until i see him do something like that, kain can still easily move his hands if Sephiroth can only hold the body) furthermore, kain does it incredibly quickly, barely a hand movement, and he can cause pain in the target [/B]
Lol are you really trying to say that Kains TK in that vid is greater then Sephiroths? Sephiroth (btw that was a much weaker Sephiroth then AC Sephiroth) was holding 8 ppl in the air, torturing them, while holding back Holy ( a force that can destroy the world), and you post a video of Kain tossing around an old guy is greater? Show me Kain with enough TK power to TK multiple people or even bring down a structure
I saw it in a gameplay vid of Defiance, Kain fighting ppl with the sword and they were taking multiple hits and walking.
Holy: at 5:00
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What are you talking about TKing that building took along time? He says "kneel before me" *Looks up* *Building crumbles down*
I watched the Raziel and kain vid again, and in the cinematic at the beginning u even see Kain going into some position before slowly teleporting away.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Lol are you really trying to say that Kains TK in that vid is greater then Sephiroths? Sephiroth (btw that was a much weaker Sephiroth then AC Sephiroth) was holding 8 ppl in the air, torturing them, while holding back Holy ( a force that can destroy the world), and you post a video of Kain tossing around an old guy is greater? Show me Kain with enough TK power to TK multiple people or even bring down a structureI saw it in a gameplay vid of Defiance, Kain fighting ppl with the sword and they were taking multiple hits and walking.
Holy: at 5:00
YouTube videoWhat are you talking about TKing that building took along time? He says "kneel before me" *Looks up* *Building crumbles down*
I watched the Raziel and kain vid again, and in the cinematic at the beginning u even see Kain going into some position before slowly teleporting away.
ime not trying anything, it is for sure, all Sephiroth did was destroy a building top, not control anyone or move anyone, he just created a TK blast, very powerful blast i agree but it will mean nothing to kain, those blasts are low level TK even if it caused destruction, Raziel can do those, not destroy building tops with it, no but the blasts in essence, kain sneers at them, ime talking about controlling. And no that was terrible TK, strong against that holy thing (can you prove hes using TK to hold it?) but it was useless against beings who are fighint back, several times the team move towards him to almost touching distance, and hes only using body control, their arms are moving fine like their in water.....Kain only needs his fingers to cast a spell or TK that would put Sephiroth under
i said the soul reaver, what your seeing is the blood reaver, very diffrent and weaker than the soul reaver....you dont get the soul reaver until you fight EG, you get to use it however in Blood omen 1, where it blows enemies to pieces with a single strike
yeh and he raises his hands
its in the end, he becomes immaterial instantly before a second later hes gone.....i think you must just love your FF characters too much, sephiroth runs along and you say hes moving much faster than anything, he has to raise his hands to use his Tk and tumble the building top, yet apprently the 2/3 seconds he takes to do it, is much faster than the second or so for kain to teleport...bias
Originally posted by Burning thought
ime not trying anything, it is for sure, all Sephiroth did was destroy a building top, not control anyone or move anyone, he just created a TK blast, very powerful blast i agree but it will mean nothing to kain, those blasts are low level TK even if it caused destruction, Raziel can do those, not destroy building tops with it, no but the blasts in essence, kain sneers at them, ime talking about controlling. And no that was terrible TK, strong against that holy thing (can you prove hes using TK to hold it?) but it was useless against beings who are fighint back, several times the team move towards him to almost touching distance, and hes only using body control, their arms are moving fine like their in water.....Kain only needs his fingers to cast a spell or TK that would put Sephiroth underi said the soul reaver, what your seeing is the blood reaver, very diffrent and weaker than the soul reaver....you dont get the soul reaver until you fight EG, you get to use it however in Blood omen 1, where it blows enemies to pieces with a single strike
yeh and he raises his hands
its in the end, he becomes immaterial instantly before a second later hes gone.....i think you must just love your FF characters too much, sephiroth runs along and you say hes moving much faster than anything, he has to raise his hands to use his Tk and tumble the building top, yet apprently the 2/3 seconds he takes to do it, is much faster than the second or so for kain to teleport...bias
It was stated in the game that Aeris couldnt summon holy because it was being held back by Sephiroths will (the word TELEKINESES is never used in the FF world)
Its been said that the party gained their strength to continue by Holy itself
With a gesture Sephiroth could cover the city with his lifestream, the lifestream is as destructive as Holy.
What are you talking about? It didnt take 2/3 seconds to use TK on the building, all he did was raise his head a bit, then the building crumbled down, it doesnt take 2/3 seconds to raise ur head a bit unless ur speed counting.
Kains teleporting is slow, even just to fade it takes about 1/2 seconds, then another 1/2 seconds just to fade in again, then he has a delay after re-appearing.
Sephiroth is stil much faster, and will chop off kains arms before he can even try to cast anything, or he can just fly way up into the sky and use the negative lifestream to destroy kain.
Originally posted by Terryc250
It was stated in the game that Aeris couldnt summon holy because it was being held back by Sephiroths will (the word TELEKINESES is never used in the FF world)Its been said that the party gained their strength to continue by Holy itself
With a gesture Sephiroth could cover the city with his lifestream, the lifestream is as destructive as Holy.
What are you talking about? It didnt take 2/3 seconds to use TK on the building, all he did was raise his head a bit, then the building crumbled down, it doesnt take 2/3 seconds to raise ur head a bit unless ur speed counting.
Kains teleporting is slow, even just to fade it takes about 1/2 seconds, then another 1/2 seconds just to fade in again, then he has a delay after re-appearing.
Sephiroth is stil much faster, and will chop off kains arms before he can even try to cast anything, or he can just fly way up into the sky and use the negative lifestream to destroy kain.
ah so Holy is summoned...by a girl...Aeris? so really its not Sephiroths will VS holy, its his will vs Aeris? lawls...glad we cleared that up
the party defeated sephirothds will, several times.....infact the video is not rly clear on what is happening, for all i know there could be an outside source allowing Sephiroth to do that to the heros, but regardless, they defeated his will for moments at a time, and their arms were moving, so he simply had control over their bodies
ive not seen any destructive feat from the lifestream, nor is the lifestream in this battle, and as someone said in the other thread, apprently sephrioth has not even absorbed the lifestream so he does not neccerily have it in this fight, its not truly his
nah, you can watch the video and cound the seconds, it took 2/3 seconds, he turned around, raised his head and his arms wide and the thing broke
he starts fading instantly, and it takes a second for him to disapear, youve not seen him reapear in non gameplay so you wouldnt know how fast he reapears, also he doesnt need to use that kind of teleport, he can dimensional teleport, much faster than anything sephiroth does, he goes in and out of teleportation near instantly..
false, kain will have his shield up with a hand movement, then sephiroth has automatically lost and kain has all the time in the world to do as he wishes to the fool, i would suggest a haircut with the reaver, give sephiroth a falt top 😈
negative lifestream to destroy kain? nope, cant happen, kain cannot be destroyed and negative lifestream is slow, kain would have his shield up long before then and while sephiroth tries to move the lifestream, a time bolt flashes and hits him.....now he can be a nosgoth statue
Originally posted by Furion
Man😖orry, Nightshift workers only.
Kain:I am the nightshift.since when is 1/2 of a second slow?
hehe yeh i like that bit
well when opponents are moving faster than a person can count to one or two then its slow rly, not rly slow, but if it takes a guy half a second to disable a guy who takes a second to do an attack then the guy whos only half a second faster prob would call the other guy slow, or too slow to beat him anyway 😉
Originally posted by Burning thought
ah so Holy is summoned...by a girl...Aeris? so really its not Sephiroths will VS holy, its his will vs Aeris? lawls...glad we cleared that upthe party defeated sephirothds will, several times.....infact the video is not rly clear on what is happening, for all i know there could be an outside source allowing Sephiroth to do that to the heros, but regardless, they defeated his will for moments at a time, and their arms were moving, so he simply had control over their bodies
ive not seen any destructive feat from the lifestream, nor is the lifestream in this battle, and as someone said in the other thread, apprently sephrioth has not even absorbed the lifestream so he does not neccerily have it in this fight, its not truly his
nah, you can watch the video and cound the seconds, it took 2/3 seconds, he turned around, raised his head and his arms wide and the thing broke
he starts fading instantly, and it takes a second for him to disapear, youve not seen him reapear in non gameplay so you wouldnt know how fast he reapears, also he doesnt need to use that kind of teleport, he can dimensional teleport, much faster than anything sephiroth does, he goes in and out of teleportation near instantly..
false, kain will have his shield up with a hand movement, then sephiroth has automatically lost and kain has all the time in the world to do as he wishes to the fool, i would suggest a haircut with the reaver, give sephiroth a falt top 😈
negative lifestream to destroy kain? nope, cant happen, kain cannot be destroyed and negative lifestream is slow, kain would have his shield up long before then and while sephiroth tries to move the lifestream, a time bolt flashes and hits him.....now he can be a nosgoth statue
ok u obviously know jack about FF7, wtf Aeris will vs Sephiroth's will? Sephiroth CONTAINED Holy
In LOK, Kains TK isnt even comparable, he can use it about 5 times on regular enemies before he starts to run out of energy, and he cant even move them around at will, he just can toss them them around.
lifestream destroyed meteor pretty fast, meteor is gigantic, Sephiroth has control over it, why cant he use it.
wtf, he turns around and starts talking to Cloud, then he uses TK which takes less then a second, why the hell would u starts counting his TK before he even starts using it LOL.
He takes a second just to fade, then takes another second just to re-appear but he cant even move or do anything until he reappears, then he has a delay, Sephiroth movement speed gets him from point A to point B in a second and is able to move instantly.
Kain gets his hand choped off before it can even move, the negative lifestream is slow? Funny since it covered all of midgar almost instantly.
Originally posted by Terryc250
ok u obviously know jack about FF7, wtf Aeris will vs Sephiroth's will? Sephiroth CONTAINED HolyIn LOK, Kains TK isnt even comparable, he can use it about 5 times on regular enemies before he starts to run out of energy, and he cant even move them around at will, he just can toss them them around.
lifestream destroyed meteor pretty fast, meteor is gigantic, Sephiroth has control over it, why cant he use it.
wtf, he turns around and starts talking to Cloud, then he uses TK which takes less then a second, why the hell would u starts counting his TK before he even starts using it LOL.
He takes a second just to fade, then takes another second just to re-appear but he cant even move or do anything until he reappears, then he has a delay, Sephiroth movement speed gets him from point A to point B in a second and is able to move instantly.
Kain gets his hand choped off before it can even move, the negative lifestream is slow? Funny since it covered all of midgar almost instantly.
you just said she was summoning it, also you obviously know jack about LOK.....but thats not debating, thats simply straw manning more like
comparable, he can use it 5 times? youve not played the game.....you dont know this at all, your trying to make it up as you go along, unfortnatley i have, Kain can seemingly use TK all the time and can shackle his enemies in TK which takes no TK energy even in-game, he can also move small objects, like Moebius staff.....Sephiroth has problems with holding peoples bodies alone
Sephiroth has control over what? lifestream according to the other guy said its not part of him yet, he simply tried to...and the meteor, as weve discussed, its nothing
he takes a few seconds, he raises his hands as well
then your not counting seconds, your prob counting milli seconds.....if you think he takes a second to fade, he fades instantly...in tat time he cannot be hit....he doesnt reapear, unless your looking at gameplay again...if were using gameplay then sephiroth has to w8 his turn before he can fight 🙄
rubbish, he runs and please show me where he moves instantly....also hes moving, not tleeporting, teleporting>>moving because first it can travel long distances and second the character is not present while teleporting, while kain could simply impale sephiroth as hes moving towards him, infact sephiroths speed would help kain
kain gets ihs hand chopped off? not a chance, not unless sephiroth was only a few feet away, then kain would just mist and reform or dematerlise then reform, either way.....he also has two hands, your being ridiculousle if you think sephiroth is somehow so fast he can sice off both kains hands before kain does anything, kain moves a finger and Sephiroth cannot do anything.....
yes lifestream is rather slow in the vid u showed me, the stream flew up behind sephiroth, not that quick...not compared to kain teleporting into an other dimension
Originally posted by Burning thought
you just said she was summoning it, also you obviously know jack about LOK.....but thats not debating, thats simply straw manning more likecomparable, he can use it 5 times? youve not played the game.....you dont know this at all, your trying to make it up as you go along, unfortnatley i have, Kain can seemingly use TK all the time and can shackle his enemies in TK which takes no TK energy even in-game, he can also move small objects, like Moebius staff.....Sephiroth has problems with holding peoples bodies alone
Sephiroth has control over what? lifestream according to the other guy said its not part of him yet, he simply tried to...and the meteor, as weve discussed, its nothing
he takes a few seconds, he raises his hands as well
then your not counting seconds, your prob counting milli seconds.....if you think he takes a second to fade, he fades instantly...in tat time he cannot be hit....he doesnt reapear, unless your looking at gameplay again...if were using gameplay then sephiroth has to w8 his turn before he can fight 🙄
rubbish, he runs and please show me where he moves instantly....also hes moving, not tleeporting, teleporting>>moving because first it can travel long distances and second the character is not present while teleporting, while kain could simply impale sephiroth as hes moving towards him, infact sephiroths speed would help kain
kain gets ihs hand chopped off? not a chance, not unless sephiroth was only a few feet away, then kain would just mist and reform or dematerlise then reform, either way.....he also has two hands, your being ridiculousle if you think sephiroth is somehow so fast he can sice off both kains hands before kain does anything, kain moves a finger and Sephiroth cannot do anything.....
yes lifestream is rather slow in the vid u showed me, the stream flew up behind sephiroth, not that quick...not compared to kain teleporting into an other dimension
Actually im playing defiance atm, and Kain is def. not as powerful as u make him, heck he fights freakin regular humans, and takes awhile for him to beat them, Sephiroth would simply lift a finger and theyd all be dead in less then a second, the guy cant even fly, he has to jump around from ledge to ledge climbing sh*t.
Sephiroth didnt absorb the lifestream, if he did, he would be an immortal god, with power over everything, Sephiroth has CONTROL over it and can do whatever he wants over it, he can absorb it anytime.
wtf how does lifting ur head up take a few seconds honestly? Unless u start counting while hes talking for some reason, it literally took him less then a second.
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No, by the time Kain evens finishes fading, Sephiroth will already have moved to the spot, then kain has to fade back in again, which takes another second, Kains fade time is exactly the same in gameplay as it is in cinematic
ok, cinematic teleporting
watch at 2:20
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Now watch the gameplay teleporting, its the same
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watch at 3:30, another cinematic teleporting, taking a second just to cast a teleport spell.
You call that faster then Sephiroths movement speed?
lol yea as Kain tries to mist, Sephiroth contains him with some water, and hes f*cked, or Sephiroth flies in the air, and uses the negative lifestream and destroys kain, the negative lifestream covered midgar in seconds, it IS fast.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Actually im playing defiance atm, and Kain is def. not as powerful as u make him, heck he fights freakin regular humans, and takes awhile for him to beat them, Sephiroth would simply lift a finger and theyd all be dead in less then a second, the guy cant even fly, he has to jump around from ledge to ledge climbing sh*t.Sephiroth didnt absorb the lifestream, if he did, he would be an immortal god, with power over everything, Sephiroth has CONTROL over it and can do whatever he wants over it, he can absorb it anytime.
wtf how does lifting ur head up take a few seconds honestly? Unless u start counting while hes talking for some reason, it literally took him less then a second.
at 3:10
YouTube videoNo, by the time Kain evens finishes fading, Sephiroth will already have moved to the spot, then kain has to fade back in again, which takes another second, Kains fade time is exactly the same in gameplay as it is in cinematic
ok, cinematic teleporting
watch at 2:20
YouTube videoNow watch the gameplay teleporting, its the same
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watch at 3:30, another cinematic teleporting, taking a second just to cast a teleport spell.You call that faster then Sephiroths movement speed?
lol yea as Kain tries to mist, Sephiroth contains him with some water, and hes f*cked, or Sephiroth flies in the air, and uses the negative lifestream and destroys kain, the negative lifestream covered midgar in seconds, it IS fast.
gameplay again? hell sephiroth has to w8 his turn before he gets to attack...lol, your using useless gameplay aint ya? your terrible Terry, you cannot hold a debate at all, even as your arguments shatter you still bring more gameplay, if this is gameplay kain VS sephiroth then Sephiroth loses because he has to w8 his turn....no they wouldnt be dead, hed kill one, then hed w8 as they all bash at him for his next turn lol......i dont belive you Terry, if you played the game youd see kain one hit kill them with his hands before
no its not.....how is the dimentional teleportatoin the same as well? not a chance, infact we can see quick movement of teleportation in the video you posted, he fades in a second, please show me sephiroth moving say....hmm, a good few hundred metres in the time Kain does that? also no he does not have to cast any spell at all, as weve seen so your last statement is irrelvent.
it took a few seconds and he opened his arms to do so, ive watched that video many times, it took a second or two for him to do it and he had to move his arms wide, kain moves one hand, diffrence.....
kain cannot be destroyed, no he is not fvucked as you put it, he simply reforms and while sephiroth is messing about with that he ends up getting time bolted or Kain goes into another dimension, Sephrioth fails.....on so many levels, and so do you, think of their as a compliment to your fanboyism