DBZ charecter physical stats & limits

Originally posted by Kento
But strength has nothing to do with how much ki they have nor does their speed. How much that increase can't really be measured by how much of a ki increase they get. It's impossible to know for sure. It's all guess work without anything to prove it. So either of you could be right or both totally wrong.

Here is Toriyama writing about how a Kai o ken increase the STRENGHT.

"Vegeta strenght far surpassed gokus expectations! not even DOUBLING HIS STRENGHT through the kai o ken was enough to stop the saiyan.. Now what will he do.."

Speed

SSJ1 = more than Double X20 Kai o ken in the Freeza Saga.

if is not linear does not necesarilly means less.

Originally posted by Kento
Yes but just because their ki raises fifty times doesn't mean their strength nor speed does. Yea it raises but it isn't clear how much since it's never really taken into account.

Originally posted by chickenlover98
yes it does. remember trunks fighting perfect cell? he got a shitload stronger. you forget they can amp their muscles

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
But it's pretty much useless since it makes them ridiculously slow.

Originally posted by chickenlover98
yes it does. remember trunks fighting perfect cell? he got a shitload stronger. you forget they can amp their muscles

Kento is right, we know their strength rises. But, we don't know by how much or if it's in conjunction with their Ki.

thought you guys who are in doubt of dbz charecters speed would want to see this ROSHI catching like machine gun fire those are usally high caliber/high velocity! :

i had another scenario where jackie chun /rohi struck krikllin in a fraction of 0.2 seconds in which they had a very long routine whcih was undetectable by human standards ! but i dont have it anymore , it was in dragonball in the early tournanments

Originally posted by Classic NES
Kento is right, we know their strength rises. But, we don't know by how much or if it's in conjunction with their Ki.

Originally posted by Vvendeta
Here is Toriyama writing about how a Kai o ken increase the STRENGHT.

"Vegeta strenght far surpassed gokus expectations! not even DOUBLING HIS STRENGHT through the kai o ken was enough to stop the saiyan.. Now what will he do.."

Speed

SSJ1 = more than Double X20 Kai o ken in the Freeza Saga.

if is not linear does not necesarilly means less.

Stop making baseless accusation, you're just trying to dodge the fact that SSJ is more than kaiohken x 20 or 40:

goku x20 = freeza 50%

ssj goku >> freeza 100%

Not enough?

Well by the end of he manga id would roughly say

Goku base form= 2 thousand- 4 thousand tons
Goku ssj form= 30 thousand- 100 thousand tons
Goku ssj2 form= 250 tousand tons- 500 thousand tons
Goku ssj3 form= 1 million= 3.5 milion tons
its hard to say, i bet Gogeta would be ble to lift atleast, 500 quintillion tons, in the anime piccolo lifts pyramids with his minds, i read on the net pyramids weigh around 5.555 millin tons, and that as pre- frieza saga piccolo!!

With speed however, hmmmm even as a child Goku could run so fast the human eye couldnt see him, and alot of pple think in dbz fight they teleport all over the place, ITS OT THEM TELEPORTING, its just them moving soo fast tey cant be seen, remeber whn yamacha was fighting the saibamen ?? gohan could seee tem and though they had vanishe piccolo taught him to concentrate so he could se them moving at such high speeds. with instant translocation though Goku can move from one side to the galaxy to the other in seconds.if he flew, hmm would prbably take him a fair while, matters which saga goku really !

What does Piccolo lifting things with his mind or whatever have to do with physical abilities?

And Gokou at base in 10 years is going to go from probably a bit more than 10 tons to 2,000 tons?

Originally posted by Kento
What does Piccolo lifting things with his mind or whatever have to do with physical abilities?

And Gokou at base in 10 years is going to go from probably a bit more than 10 tons to 2,000 tons?

Yea I'd imagine he'd get stronger sure..but seriously he took like fifty years to get to 10 tons so I wouldn't think just normal base Gokou in 10 years is going to jump even another 5 tons.

Picollo lifting the pyramids telekinetically was a filler just FYI

Originally posted by BradBalboa
Well by the end of he manga id would roughly say

Goku base form= 2 thousand- 4 thousand tons
Goku ssj form= 30 thousand- 100 thousand tons
Goku ssj2 form= 250 tousand tons- 500 thousand tons
Goku ssj3 form= 1 million= 3.5 milion tons
its hard to say, i bet Gogeta would be ble to lift atleast, 500 quintillion tons, in the anime piccolo lifts pyramids with his minds, i read on the net pyramids weigh around 5.555 millin tons, and that as pre- frieza saga piccolo!!

10 tons ???

Yea Gokou at base at the start of Buu Saga was pretty much at the least 10 tons maybe a little bit more.

That is such an understatement, Goku in base form is stronger than ssj Goku Frieza saga ! Goku int he frieza saga well exceeds 10 tons even when he isnt in ssj, if that where true, goku as a kid couldnt even lift 1 ton, which he can !
its just DBZ is so damn inconsistant, the scene your thinking of where goku is training with the weights that weigh 10tons eahc and he has to go ssj, people forget just liek king kais planet, grand kais planet is used as a training ground so it is likely thta it also has grvaity 10x stonger maybe 100x stronger, which is more likely as it is a higher level of training !

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