DBZ charecter physical stats & limits

Originally posted by Classic NES
I wanted to do that, but there's zero proof that SSJ increases their strength ten fold.

Sorry Chicken Lover but this Viz translation is correct with the Japanese

Originally posted by ankur29
it is 2 ton on each limb:

And this is the prove in the Daizenshuu that the Supersaiyan is X50

French Translation

Original in Japanese numbers
Link about the subject and Japanese numeric explanation
http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/anime-manga/dragonball-z/67749-subject-why-freeza-goku-were-hundred-millions.html

SanGoku contre Freeza(Goku base against Freeza: 3 000 000
Super saiyen 150 000 000
3 000 000 x 50 = 150 000 000

Birth Studio (Toriyama company, like saying Marvel and DC)

Originally posted by Classic NES
Goku wasn't trying to lift 10 tons, he was using the weights for an isometrics excersize. Which is why it's not a good idea to use that feat.

Like running with dumbells in each limb is diferent that bench and squats,
what you say is correct.

So, if it's 50X with every transformation:

Base= Minimum of 45~ tons

SSJ= Minimum of 2250~ Tons

If the rate remains:

SSJ2= Minimum of 112, 500~ Tons

SSJ3= Minimum of 5,625,000~ Tons

These numbers are speculation.

It's not too farfetched considering that Goku transformation shook the planet:

YouTube video

There's no evidence for a 50x increase with each transformation, and no evidence that physical strength scales linearly with ki

Originally posted by Endless Mike
no evidence that physical strength scales linearly with ki

Are you kidding me?

So, why is it Trunks and Goku were able to alivate the weight by transforming to SSJ?

Are you paying attention? I never said the transformations didn't make them stronger, just that it wasn't a linear or logical increase.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Are you paying attention? I never said the transformations didn't make them stronger, just that it wasn't a linear or logical increase.

Ki isn't logical in the first place, if your arguing that the increase is not constant then I might agree. But, we have no way in knowing.

Originally posted by Classic NES
So, if it's 50X with every transformation:

Base= Minimum of 45~ tons

SSJ= Minimum of 2250~ Tons

If the rate remains:

SSJ2= Minimum of 112, 500~ Tons

SSJ3= Minimum of 5,625,000~ Tons

These numbers are speculation.

It's not too farfetched considering that Goku transformation shook the planet:

YouTube video

Originally posted by Classic NES
Ki isn't logical in the first place, if your arguing that the increase is not constant then I might agree. But, we have no way in knowing.

So then why do you just assume it is?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
There's no evidence for a 50x increase with each transformation]

Originally posted by Endless Mike
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and no evidence that physical strength scales linearly with ki

Linearly, no, because is state that Sjj 1 is a easier way to power up than Kai o ken.

However does not necessarily means less than X20 kaioken. in the Freeza Saga; In the cell saga is higher. Is not meaningless to the history Toriyama is telling. that the androids are stronger than Freeza, and Cell stronger than the androids, with the increase of Piccolo, Vegeta and Trunks in between androids power and Cell power.

Nothing that I said above is out of context, exagerated, or meaningless is all a important part of the history and all in the manga.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
So then why do you just assume it is?

Because there power increases as they transform.

So, if it's 50X with every transformation:

Base= Minimum of 45~ tons

SSJ= Minimum of 2250~ Tons

If the rate remains:

SSJ2= Minimum of 112, 500~ Tons

SSJ3= Minimum of 5,625,000~ Tons

These numbers are speculation.

It's not too farfetched considering that Goku transformation shook the planet:

good estimations pal, and yah think how much a planet weighs ?? the ind boggels and actaully the planet shook twice before ssj3 was ever herd of, when cell aained his perfect form the entire planet shook and if memory serves me correctly it also happened when gohan and cell where having the final beam struggle

The Earth weighs: 5,972,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons

Don't know if he shook the entire planet, though.

As far as i know he DID !!
since you see clips of other z fighters all around the world watching goku, and everything around them is shaking i think someone even says it ,even kamis lookout was shaikng, plus when cell shook the planet you see earth from pace shaking with huge lighting rods firing out into sace

You could be right. I think Vegeta did the same thing, but I'm not sure it was in the same magnitude. But, as far back as Cell Saga the Z-Senshi could shake the planet with Ki alone and the earth ways almost Six Sextillion Tons.

Edit: Though, it could just be earthquakes caused by Ki. shrug

Cell powering up his kamehame ha and Goku going SSJ 3 shake the planet.

in this scan, Piccolo is in the look out and Tien and Chiouzu are in other part of the planet, enough prove of the planet shake by goku ki, who also reach other dimensions.

Are you kidding me?

So, why is it Trunks and Goku were able to alivate the weight by transforming to SSJ?

He said linearly, look up the word. He means that an increase of power level by 20 times doesn't mean that that person is exactly 20 times stronger, just that they are more powerful be an unspecified amount.

Power levels look to me like a logarithmic curve.

So, if it's 50X with every transformation:

I could see SSJ1 or even 2 giving a 50 times modifier but not SSJ 3. SSJ 2 Vegeta could hang with Fat buu and SSJ 3 Goku was slightly above him. Though non canon in both SSJ 2 and 3 Goku was able to engage Kid Buu. It's a modifier of no more than 2 or three times.

Toriyama make kai o ken Linearly, double triple, x 4, x 10 x 20.
The prove is here

the first square is Toriyama explaining the moment:
"Vegeta strenght far surpassed gokus expectations! not even DOUBLING HIS STRENGHT through the kai o ken was enough to stop the saiyan.. Now what will he do.."

Supersaiyan is diferent, but is stated to be higher and better than Kai o ken.

the manga show Goku went straight to SSJ3, and SSJ2 Vegeta saying: " So fast and strong, Kakaroto was fighting this all this time?"
The dead body of Goku SSJ3 is higher, enough to desintegrate the kid Buu without the genkidama, just Goku ignore this and miscalculated.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
He said linearly, look up the word. He means that an increase of power level by 20 times doesn't mean that that person is exactly 20 times stronger, just that they are more powerful be an unspecified amount.

Power levels look to me like a logarithmic curve.

Besides I was basing it on the Kai O Ken form of scaling.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw

I could see SSJ1 or even 2 giving a 50 times modifier but not SSJ 3. SSJ 2 Vegeta could hang with Fat buu and SSJ 3 Goku was slightly above him. Though non canon in both SSJ 2 and 3 Goku was able to engage Kid Buu. It's a modifier of no more than 2 or three times.

I think that's because of the power drain SSJ3 causes.