erm..sextrillion ?? lol do you mean six trillion or is SEXtrillion actaully a number cause iv never her dof it ?
oh yeah guys and reber, they can lift alot of weight with physically touching it too, piccolo lifted pyramdis with his mind, Pyramids weigh over 5.955 million tons !! Frieza also lifted a huge amount of earth from nameks surface and threw it at goku, but i dnt now how much that would weigh lol 🙂
Was it in the manga when piccolo was medatating and gohan was chasing a saber toot tiger and all the ground around them lifted up and started spinning ?? piccolo did that with his mind but im not sre if its in the manga or not, anyways this is DBZ MANGA characters limits and strengths its DBZ in gerneral so anime counts
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The anime was supervised By Toriyama, and are canon to the anime, just some dont like to use in crossovers, the fillers are ideas for Toei that make to the anime meanwhile Toriyama came with the new chapters in the manga, sometimes they contradict the manga, but most of it is what is supose to be, and all was aprove or reject by toriyama, he draw the characters of the movies and fillers, especially the bardock movie, is his history in colaboration with other dude i dont remember now.
Originally posted by Galvaclawin the series(the show at least) power levels scaled very linearly. rewatch the frieza saga. their powerlevels were slightly above other people and IT MATTERED. to me it looks like it was consistent
He said linearly, look up the word. He means that an increase of power level by 20 times doesn't mean that that person is exactly 20 times stronger, just that they are more powerful be an unspecified amount.Power levels look to me like a logarithmic curve.
I could see SSJ1 or even 2 giving a 50 times modifier but not SSJ 3. SSJ 2 Vegeta could hang with Fat buu and SSJ 3 Goku was slightly above him. Though non canon in both SSJ 2 and 3 Goku was able to engage Kid Buu. It's a modifier of no more than 2 or three times.
Originally posted by Vvendetaim only going to say this once, STOP POSTING IRRELEVANT SCANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dragonball
Training with Roshi: Before the first tournament
Running Speed in 100 meters
Strengt pushing a boulderI was reading some past post, I am not very familiar with Marvel ranks, but i think that Goku, krillin and Roshi, from DB could beat or fight equally with spiderman and alikes.
now with that said. goku is above class 100 in strength speed and everything else. spiderman aint got jack on even krillin, because krillin can destroy planets. and since you love quoting powerlevels and the like vvendeta do you agree with my last statement or not
woao
Ok, there are not Irrelevants scans, If you check all of them, they relate of what DBZ can do and proving the point that Kai o ken is linear contrary of what others said.
The last scans are the first feats of Goku and krillin before all their trainings, I put that to show my point of view of why i think DB characters are so powerful.
If you read again my coment i mean to say that I think that kid Goku and kid krillin (from the early DB) could defeat spiderman. it was my mistake to not be specific.
Goku is about class 100-200 in strength just by doing Kai o ken x 5-10, SSJ is a lot higher( that is why i post the scans of Toriyama-Bird studio powerleves, the Daizenshuu Scans in french and Japanese) i agree with the numbers of Clasic Nes estimations.
Originally posted by Vvendetaput your strength estimation for each transformation in tons please. and stop posting scans they really are irrelevant. all your showing is low end db feats
woaoOk, there are not Irrelevants scans, If you check all of them, they relate of what DBZ can do and proving the point that Kai o ken is linear contrary of what others said.
The last scans are the first feats of Goku and krillin before all their trainings, I put that to show my point of view of why i think DB characters are so powerful.
If you read again my coment i mean to say that I think that kid Goku and kid krillin (from the early DB) could defeat spiderman. it was my mistake to not be specific.
Goku is about class 100-200 in strength just by doing Kai o ken x 5-10, SSJ is a lot higher( that is why i post the scans of Toriyama-Bird studio powerleves, the Daizenshuu Scans in french and Japanese) i agree with the numbers of Clasic Nes estimations.
Base on the "low feat" of Goku pushing a boulder of that size before his training with Roshi and the other "low feat" of Goku lifting the Giant Piccolo, I Believe Goku is a +100 tons strenght in his normal form, base in the training with King kai and the 2 tons each limb, make me reduce the base form strength to 50 tons, but because Goku post Buu Saga train 10 years waiting for Buu, my estimations of Goku at the end of the manga (Goku going to train with Ubb) is:
....................minimum - Maximum
Normal form: 80 - 150 tons
SSJ1 x 50: 4000 - 7500 tons
SSJ2: 200,000 - 375,000 tons
SSJ 3 x10: 2 000,000 - 3 375 000 tons (Alive, Buu Saga)
SSJ 3 x 50: 10 000 000 - 18 750 000 tons (End of the Manga)
I considere Goku could not go to his maximum power when he fought the Kid Buu, so his body could not stand alive the same when he was dead, so that is why i give him the X10.
I also considere that 10 years of training without stop will allow Goku to control without any problem SJJ 3 and that is why i give his the X 50 as like in the Freeza Saga.
I also considere that the power ups are higher in the Cell Saga when Goku perfected the SSJ 1 level, but i just use the X 50 that Toriyama and the Daisenzhuu stated, so I believe that the strenght is higher, but i have no prove because Goku dont have feats of strenght since his 100 G training, he just fight.
Originally posted by chickenlover98
if their low end they are irrelevant
Is not irrelevant to prove the Kaio ken is linear.
Is not Irrelevant to prove that Goku strenght and speed are already superhuman before all his trainings:
1.Training with Roshi
2.Training with Karin
3.Trianing himself
4.Drinking the sacred water
5.Training with Kami and Popo
6.Training with King kai
7.Training in 100 G
8. Training in the Room of Spirit and Time
9. Training in the afterlife
10. Training 10 years waiting for Buu reincarnation
Base on this, Goku is easy + 100 tons in normal form.(and is to be taking in consideration that power ups after injuries, or close of dead experience)
Originally posted by ankur29
my strength scale for goku in terms of overhead press lift for goku
base: 50 tons
kaioken:100 tons
ssj1: 250 tons
ssj2: 500 tons
ssj3:1000 tonsbut i feel like the estimates above look suprsingly high
Because The first SSJ transformation is more than double of the X 20 Kaioken.
And I use that for the second and the third transformation.
you are using only SSJ1 X 5, SSJ2 and SSJ3 x2
Originally posted by VvendetaBut strength has nothing to do with how much ki they have nor does their speed. How much that increase can't really be measured by how much of a ki increase they get. It's impossible to know for sure. It's all guess work without anything to prove it. So either of you could be right or both totally wrong.
Because The first SSJ transformation is more than double of the X 20 Kaioken.And I use that for the second and the third transformation.
you are using only SSJ1 X 5, SSJ2 and SSJ3 x2
Originally posted by Kento
But strength has nothing to do with how much ki they have nor does their speed. How much that increase can't really be measured by how much of a ki increase they get. It's impossible to know for sure. It's all guess work without anything to prove it. So either of you could be right or both totally wrong.
That's where your wrong, DBZ characters can amp their physical stats with ki. So, the more there Ki supply increases, the more the can amp themselves and the more stronger they get. Besides, it's already been show that SSJ increases their strength. Maybe not in a linear fashion, but we have something to work with.
Originally posted by Classic NESYes but just because their ki raises fifty times doesn't mean their strength nor speed does. Yea it raises but it isn't clear how much since it's never really taken into account.
That's where your wrong, DBZ characters can amp their physical stats with ki. So, the more there Ki supply increases, the more the can amp themselves and the more stronger they get. Besides, it's already been show that SSJ increases their strength. Maybe not in a linear fashion, but we have something to work with.