Superman vs. Wonder Woman

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Because those are all obviously the same? Superman is overwhelmingly stronger than Diana. She can't go toe to toe with him in a contest of might as their encounters show. There's nothing to debate in that area. I'm not sure why you think making stupid analogies somehow takes away from that.

If Diana and Clark fought in a contest of pure skill, she'll wreck him and you're free to make that claim in a vs. thread. I'm not sure why you have a problem with what I said. Do you not find it relevant enough? I agree that it's unlikely Diana will go toe to toe with Superman because she's intelligent but I don't give a shit. That doesn't detract from what I said.

I made my stance pretty clear but you being the nitpicking little prick that you are had to make it complicated. You might have had a point if I was using Clark's strength advantage to argue that this wouldn't be a competitive fight but I never made such claims. I said the exact opposite and yet you keep pretending like I'm not giving Diana credit or something.

Superman is noticeably stronger than Wonder Woman. Do you agree or disagree? It's really that simple.

And no, I don't think you're moving the goalposts. You're not arguing against Diana being overwhelmingly more skilled or magical. Because ignoring everything else, straight-up skill, he'd die. He just would. No chance. Same thing with going up against her magical weapons. Straight-up, he'd die, no chance. You'd agree to that. I'm not insinuating you wouldn't. That's how it lays out.

So ultimately, Superman is overwhelmingly stronger, Wonder Woman is overwhelmingly more skilled and Superman is overwhelmingly vulnerable to her magic weapons. And I don't find this to detract anything from what you said. Because thinking about it that way, I'd tend to agree.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No. By your standards, he is overwhelmingly stronger. Not just noticeably. Because ignoring everything else, straight-up strength, she'd die.

And no, I don't think you're moving the goalposts. You're not arguing against Diana being overwhelmingly more skilled or magical. Because ignoring everything else, straight-up skill, he'd die. He just would. No chance. Same thing with going up against her magical weapons. Straight-up, he'd die, no chance. You'd agree to that. I'm not insinuating you wouldn't. That's how it lays out.

So ultimately, Superman is overwhelmingly stronger, Wonder Woman is overwhelmingly more skilled and Superman is overwhelmingly vulnerable to her magic weapons. And I don't find this to detract anything from what you said. Because thinking about it that way, I'd tend to agree.

Superman is stronger to the point that if he gets his hands on her, she needs to break free as soon as possible by whatever means necessary or there's very a real possibility that she'll die. If they lock up, there's a real danger that Clark could snap her arms. Each punch would rock her significantly and leave her dangerously vulnerable. In short, any contest of strength is extremely lopsided. You can call a gap that large whatever makes you feel comfortable as long as you acknowledge that said gap exists.

I do believe that Diana would wreck Clark in a contest of skill (Although I think he's skills aren't given due credit by some) and that I think it's pretty obviously that the lasso, tiara etc. would be very effective against him like magical items usually are. I never denied any of her advantages and they are the reason why I think it'd be a competitive battle in the first place barring a higher end portrayal. Which is why I'm not sure what the point of bringing all of this up was in the first place. Where you trying to smoke out a double standard or something?

Like I said, I don't deny any of that. There different advantages make this fight interesting.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Superman is stronger to the point that if he gets his hands on her, she needs to break free as soon as possible by whatever means necessary or there's very a real possibility that she'll die. If they lock up, there's a real danger that Clark could snap her arms. Each punch would rock her significantly and leave her dangerously vulnerable. In short, any contest of strength is extremely lopsided. You can call a gap that large whatever makes you feel comfortable as long as you acknowledge that said gap exists.

Wonder Woman has more skill over Superman than Superman has more strength over Wonder Woman. And Superman literally has no advanced magic resistance. None. In short, any contest of combined strength, skill and magic is extremely lopsided.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I do believe that Diana would wreck Clark in a contest of skill (Although I think he's skills aren't given due credit by some) and that I think it's pretty obviously that the lasso, tiara etc. would be very effective against him like magical items usually are. I never denied any of her advantages and they are the reason why I think it'd be a competitive battle in the first place barring a higher end portrayal. Which is why I'm not sure what the point of bringing all of this up was in the first place. Where you trying to smoke out a double standard or something?

Like I said, I don't deny any of that. There different advantages make this fight interesting.

Diana has two overwhelming advantages. And each one is far more lopsided in her favor than the one Superman posseses in strength. And that should make sense from your perspective. So Wonder Woman wins. Pitting his strength against her skill and magic is suicide on his part.

Onedumb is owning.

I'm going to read through this thread and warn some b*tches. 🙂

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Strength gap doesn't mean much when she out-skills him blunting the actual application of that strength. And each lasso lash/capture or tiara slice, heck one lasso capture/throat slice will leave him mostly beaten, not just vulnerable. Those gaps are tremendous.

Wonder Woman has more skill over Superman than Superman has more strength over Wonder Woman. And Superman literally has no advanced magic resistance. None. In short, any contest of combined strength, skill and magic is extremely lopsided. Not really. Strength <<< skill when you've got tools to exploit pure vulnerability on your side.

Diana has two overwhelming advantages. And each one is far more lopsided in her favor than the one Superman posseses in strength. And that should make sense from your perspective. So Wonder Woman wins. Pitting his strength against her skill and magic is suicide on his part.

This was my argument from the very beginning. I was debating that WW wins because of skills and magical items. But something has caught my attention of how Superman can win at least a split here. The key is :

Spoiler:

HIS FREEZE BREATH.

He can use it to slow Diana down so that his speed advantage would be a lot greater. That way the fight becomes more even and he can ultilize his greater strength and other powers more efficiently. A quick freezing breath blow from him should at least slow her down by at least 20% for the first few moments. This should be enough to even the odds and allow him to wail on her or at least break something on her.

The HV is a pretty decent equalizer in and of itself.

He knocked out Mongul with it, and according to Mongul SR. he could have killed him with it, and keep in mind that is Byrne Supes we're talking about. Even Black Adam seemed hurt by a burst of it, in their last fight.

Originally posted by cdtm
The HV is a pretty decent equalizer in and of itself.

He knocked out Mongul with it, and according to Mongul SR. he could have killed him with it, and keep in mind that is Byrne Supes we're talking about. Even Black Adam seemed hurt by a burst of it, in their last fight.

You right. I have a hard time seeing WW blocking the hv at the same time as trying to attack Superman, or better yet defend against his other attacks (Superman can do multiple attacks simultaneously).

Can you say
scream, hv, blitz, and freeze breath all at the same time?

Originally posted by h1a8
Can you say
scream, hv, blitz, and freeze breath all at the same time?

When has Kal ever done that?

The likelihood of that is about the same as Diana hog-tieing him with the lasso, summoning the Aegis lightning, and throwing her tiara at him while he's immobile.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
When has Kal ever done that?

The likelihood of that is about the same as Diana hog-tieing him with the lasso, summoning the Aegis lightning, and throwing her tiara at him while he's immobile.

With that said,
Diana can't EASILY hog tie Superman with the lasso. But if she does hog tie him then it is a win for her, lightning and tiara afterwards is moot.

Originally posted by h1a8
Can you say
scream, hv, blitz, and freeze breath all at the same time?

Originally posted by h1a8
You right. I have a hard time seeing WW blocking the hv at the same time as trying to attack Superman, or better yet defend against his other attacks (Superman can do multiple attacks simultaneously).

Can you say
scream, hv, blitz, and freeze breath all at the same time?

Let me help you out bra. A pissed, out for blood Superman already used heat vision. He heat vision Wonder Woman all the way from Earth to the sun and it did NOT slow her down.

Let me help you out again. A PISSED Superman already used icebreath against Diana and it did nothing...she vibrated through it and blind sided him with a thunder clap to the ears.

Let me help you out again. Diana has shields that has blocked her entire body from skyfather level attacks...if she doesn't want heat vision or Ice breath touching her, it will not touch her.

Glad to help. You can thank me later.

Originally posted by cdtm
The HV is a pretty decent equalizer in and of itself.

He knocked out Mongul with it, and according to Mongul SR. he could have killed him with it, and keep in mind that is Byrne Supes we're talking about. Even Black Adam seemed hurt by a burst of it, in their last fight.

Good for all of those people. To bad Wonder Woman has had a face full of heat vision from an enraged, blood thirsty Superman and it did nothing but cause a scratch on her face.

Thanks for telling us about Mongul weak durability. Someone that doesn't have durability fts comparable to Diana.

Thanks.

I was going to give WW 1 out 10 but being honest Supes wins 10/10

Originally posted by paisapower
I was going to give WW 1 out 10 but being honest Supes wins 10/10

lol

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
lol

Ya, to think I was just about to be dishonest

Originally posted by carver9
Let me help you out bra. A pissed, out for blood Superman already used heat vision. He heat vision Wonder Woman all the way from Earth to the sun and it did NOT slow her down.

Let me help you out again. A PISSED Superman already used icebreath against Diana and it did nothing...she vibrated through it and blind sided him with a thunder clap to the ears.

Let me help you out again. Diana has shields that has blocked her entire body from skyfather level attacks...if she doesn't want heat vision or Ice breath touching her, it will not touch her.

Glad to help. You can thank me later.

The HV went through her face dude. It just went in at an odd angle (the side of her face) and went to her bones without hitting anything vital. My point is that she is not just going to let the HV hit her. She is going to try to block it. This would slow down her offensive to the point where Superman could get in some offensive of his own.

But I agree that she can cross her bracers to create a force field to shield her entire body. Now you are cooking Carver. This gives her back a slight advantage. But still her attack or offensive would be hindered due to her having to block Superman's attacks.

And remember Superman is smart here and know he is fighting WW (unlike Sacrifice Superman who didn't know who he was fighting). Kal will not be so quick to engage her in the style he knows she has an advantage at. Rather he is going to use his ranged attacks more and combine them with other attacks to keep Diana on the defensive. When Diana decides to open up then comes the freeze breath slow down into a mighty combo to ko.

Originally posted by carver9
Good for all of those people. To bad Wonder Woman has had a face full of heat vision from an enraged, blood thirsty Superman and it did nothing but cause a scratch on her face.

Thanks for telling us about Mongul weak durability. Someone that doesn't have durability fts comparable to Diana.

Thanks.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
lol

Originally posted by h1a8
You can't just use 1 comic to support your case. The freeze breath did slow Diana down a lot. Superman didn't follow up on it because IT WENT AGAINST THE PLOT. And wtf is Superman not hearing Diana sneak up on him? He can hear heartbeats from miles away.

The HV went through her face dude. It just went in at an odd angle (the side of her face) and came out without hitting anything vital. My point is that she is not just going to let the HV hit her. She is going to try to block it. This would slow down her offensive to the point where Superman could get in some offensive of his own.

But I agree that she can cross her bracers to create a force field to shield her entire body. Now you are cooking Carver. This gives her back a slight advantage. But still her attack or offensive would be hindered due to her having to block Superman's attacks.

And remember Superman is smart here and know he is fighting WW (unlike Sacrifice Superman who didn't know who he was fighting). Kal will not be so quick to engage her in the style he knows she has an advantage at. Rather he is going to use his ranged attacks more and combine them with other attacks to keep Diana on the defensive. When Diana decides to open up then comes the freeze breath slow down into a mighty combo to ko.

What showing against Wonder Woman are you using to suggest that Superman heat vision will slow her down? As for your comment about it going through her face...never happened. Diana said that she felt the heat vision burning her bone but it never went through her and as soon as she got his grip off of her, she recover immediately.

Ice breath isn't slowing Diana or anyone in Diana tier down...sorry to tell you that.

I know Superman is smart in this fight and I give him the edge but the only true advantage he have is durability and strength, the rest goes to Diana. She has the advantage with weapons, she is faster (Superman was unable to even track her in Sacrafice), and she is more skilled, and she could literally block all of his attacks minus his punches.