Originally posted by carver9
What showing against Wonder Woman are you using to suggest that Superman heat vision will slow her down? As for your comment about it going through her face...never happened. Diana said that she felt the heat vision burning her bone but it never went through her and as soon as she got his grip off of her, she recover immediately.Ice breath isn't slowing Diana or anyone in Diana tier down...sorry to tell you that.
I know Superman is smart in this fight and I give him the edge but the only true advantage he have is durability and strength, the rest goes to Diana. She has the advantage with weapons, she is faster (Superman was unable to even track her in Sacrafice), and she is more skilled, and she could literally block all of his attacks minus his punches.
It went to her bones in her face. It will slow her down by her trying to defend against it (like blocking them).
You don't understand that a second, half of second, etc. is an eternity for beings that have ftl reflexes. If the freeze breath slows Diana down just by a 1/10th of a second then Superman can use that to mount an offensive.
She is not faster than Superman (even in this thread remember). She can't attack faster and probably can't defend faster either (Superman has vibrated through attacks for crying out loud). She can defend against anything Superman throws at her yes. But she can't attack without opening herself up to be attacked. Superman would rely mostly on smart tactics like ranged attacks and avoid a martial art contest with her. When the time is right Superman will move in and pummel her. Take away Superman's freeze breath and I will give WW the slight majority. But the freeze breath is the key to easy victory.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Oh, I get it. Calm Elite-pwning Superman is exactly like the "calm" Imperiex-probe pwning Superman who "became [b]primal," who "has no idea [of the time] nor does he care," who "numb[ed] himself into the necessary state of violence" without "conscience" for "ruthlessness."PLEASE. [/B]
Oh sweet jesus.
When he fought the Elite, he was calm, he was ruthless, and he showed no anger. He stomped them.
When he fought the Imperiex Probes, he was calm, he was ruthless, and he showed no anger. He stomped them.
He was also pratically emotionless at the end when he was sundipped, too.
Not the same as the angry Superman we saw in Sacrifice. You can argue the point all you want. Rucka says different, and his interpretation is the correct one, with him being the writer. That's all there is to it, imo.
He said was he was nerfed, so he was nerfed. That's it.
--
Carver? Shut up. That's the nicest way I can put it. You were told to stop trolling; you didn't. You were told to stop lowballing. You didn't. By now you've got a horrible reputation on this forum, and it's in your own best interest to do something about it. When a person goes in to a thread and has pretty much everyone else go against them (no not this thread) something is seriously wrong.
If you keep it up, you're going to get banned.
Originally posted by -Pr-
When he fought the Elite, he was calm, he was ruthless, and he showed no anger. He stomped them.When he fought the Imperiex Probes, he was calm, he was ruthless, and he showed no anger. He stomped them.
Not to wax off topic. but this is why I argue against anyone that claims when Lobo kicked Supermans ass, it was only because the Eradicator was influencing him.
Because, the Eradicator was basically making him into the calm, ruthless fighter you're talking about as proven in his fights with Draaga and Maxima..
Originally posted by cdtm
Not to wax off topic. but this is why I argue against anyone that claims when Lobo kicked Supermans ass, it was only because the Eradicator was influencing him.Because, the Eradicator was basically making him into the calm, ruthless fighter you're talking about as proven in his fights with Draaga and Maxima..
hmm?
Originally posted by -Pr-
hmm?
You know, the infamous Lobo beat down on Superman? Your comments on cold and ruthless = more effective reminded me of it.
Happened when Eradicator, in it's original form as a Kryptonian artifact, was gradually rewriting Supermans personality. It made him colder, and much more ruthless. Against normal humans, he'd hit them with enough super breath to immediately incapacitate them, and likely break some bones in the process, against Maxima he ended it quickly by viciously backhanding her into unconsciousness, and against Draaga he was prepared to beat him to death.
Yet fanboys argue the only reason Lobo beat him down, is because the Eradicator was mind screwing him.
\
Originally posted by Badabing
I'm sure Pr will be thanking you. 🙂
Originally posted by -Pr-The Raptor knows things. biscuits
Carver? Shut up. That's the nicest way I can put it. You were told to stop trolling; you didn't. You were told to stop lowballing. You didn't. By now you've got a horrible reputation on this forum, and it's in your own best interest to do something about it. When a person goes in to a thread and has pretty much everyone else go against them (no not this thread) something is seriously wrong.If you keep it up, you're going to get banned.
Originally posted by cdtm... you're actually using Lobo as a verification for standards... by any means... get off the drugs, they're killing your brain. That's like saying wolverine fought with squirrel girl and lasted more than 15 seconds so he's now ranked abstract. That said I'd rather face off against a serious diana than a serious cold rage superman any day. I don't exactly see Diana's track record being as impressive against the likes of Darkseid and others of his level.
You know, the infamous Lobo beat down on Superman? Your comments on cold and ruthless = more effective reminded me of it.Happened when Eradicator, in it's original form as a Kryptonian artifact, was gradually rewriting Supermans personality. It made him colder, and much more ruthless. Against normal humans, he'd hit them with enough super breath to immediately incapacitate them, and likely break some bones in the process, against Maxima he ended it quickly by viciously backhanding her into unconsciousness, and against Draaga he was prepared to beat him to death.
Yet fanboys argue the only reason Lobo beat him down, is because the Eradicator was mind screwing him.
\
Originally posted by Uriel005
... you're actually using Lobo as a verification for standards... by any means... get off the drugs, they're killing your brain.
You're not too familiar with Lobo, are you?
Not if you think he's to Superman, as Squirrel Girl is to Wolverine.
Not too familiar with Darkseid, either, if you're using a written down Darkseid vs Superman as a measuring stick.
Originally posted by cdtmmy point is that lobo's a god damn toon. His strength is so variable it's crazy and driven by plot convenience. I love the character to death and I jokingly back him in a lot of fights mostly because his high end feats are stupidly powerful and hilarious. But on the average excluding stupid and clearly PIS high end like Solaris fight or blood clones he's a high end brick in the mid herald range.
You're not too familiar with Lobo, are you?Not if you think he's to Superman, as Squirrel Girl is to Wolverine.
Not too familiar with Darkseid, either, if you're using a written down Darkseid vs Superman as a measuring stick.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Generally any sort of incidence where mind-tampering or control is involved doesn't make the feat on par with a non-tampered/controlled one. This is something Bada and I have stuck by for a while now.If he lost, he lost, though.
You're not familiar with the example? O_o
I thought it was famous/infamous.. Lobo fanboys usually jump on that feat first thing.
I can remedy that, if you'd like. Either hunt down scans or upload them myself. It's a pretty awesome scene, even though it's clearly a low end showing for Superman vs his history against Lobo (But nicely balances out Lobo's low end showing of getting KOed twice by Eclipsed Superman, which anti Lobo fans jump on as quickly as Lobo fans jump on the former..)
I agree it shouldn't count for what Superman in his right mind is capable of, all I take issue with is the notion that he was somehow handicapped by the mind manipulation, when all evidence shows that it basically turned Superman into a less bloodthirsty Black Adam.
Like I said, he was literally trying to beat Draaga to death with his bare hands, and almost succeeded.