Superman vs. Wonder Woman

Originally posted by Branlor Swift

No matter what you think of how well it was written, you can't deny the power literally being used

I really only wanted clarification of what H1 was thinking.

It actually is possible to deny the power is being used if you opt for the idea that these are merely Diana's thoughts on what is happening.

Complementary to that is the idea that superhearing is a power that is always "on" but requires mental controls of various sorts to be effective.

(It is precisely this "fact" that allows the U.S. Military to knock Faora unconscious in the new Superman movie "Man of Steel", for instance.)

The man of tomorrow wins

mentally compromised = not an allowable average.

The problem is that if WW is half as unbelievably "skilled" and unbelievably "D.C. Strong" as some people claim her to be, she would kick Superman's ass, period. But she won't because of Super-editting and sexism. And there is no solution to the dilemma.

Ww on paper in terms of skill should perrrrrrttyyyyyy much phuck superman up
But no, becausr its superman

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
The problem is that if WW is half as unbelievably "skilled" and unbelievably "D.C. Strong" as some people claim her to be, she would kick Superman's ass, period. But she won't because of Super-editting and sexism. And there is no solution to the dilemma.

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
Ww on paper in terms of skill should perrrrrrttyyyyyy much phuck superman up
But no, becausr its superman

no.

Originally posted by -Pr-
no.

LOL, care to elaborate? Wait, let me guess....."No." 😂

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
Ww on paper in terms of skill should perrrrrrttyyyyyy much phuck superman up
But no, becausr its superman

WW is a beast; however, her job is to sit her magical ass there and look super sexy in her bonds and let Superman take care of the heavy lifting. What do they think this is, the year 2013?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
LOL, care to elaborate? Wait, let me guess....."No." 😂

Even if she is as powerful on average as people on this forum say, she wouldn't kick Superman's ass, as he still has several advantages over her.

Him being better than her isn't sexism.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
WW is a beast; however, her job is to sit her magical ass there and look super sexy in her bonds and let Superman take care of the heavy lifting. What do they think this is, the year 2013?

No, it really isn't. She has her own role in the team. Just because it isn't being the strong one, doesn't mean she's somehow being held back.

Originally posted by -Pr-

Him being better than her isn't sexism.

I won't say it's sexism, but there is editorial bias there. It's not at Batman levels of ridiculousness, but I do think Diana is often made to look bad in order to show just how "Super" Clark is.

Even though I give Clark the majority in a normal fight (ie sans weapons) I do consider Diana to be his peer. (Not equal). She is often not written that way though sadly.

If Clark doesn't use freeze breath then Diana can win some with her skills and employing some good combos. Also a lasso after stunning Superman would always work.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
I won't say it's sexism, but there is editorial bias there. It's not at Batman levels of ridiculousness, but I do think Diana is often made to look bad in order to show just how "Super" Clark is.

Even though I give Clark the majority in a normal fight (ie sans weapons) I do consider Diana to be his peer. (Not equal). She is often not written that way though sadly.

I honestly think it depends entirely on the writer, and there are guys like McDuffie who will flat out Worf Superman just to give Diana a run. Hell, even Johns had Diana lead the charge against Darkseid in the N52 while Superman was laid out being tortured.

Is there a bias in terms of letting Superman take centre stage at key moments? Sure, but day to day, Superman gets as worf'd as anyone else bar say, J'onn.

Originally posted by -Pr-
mentally compromised = not an allowable average.

Not an allowable average concerning WHAT exactly?

Superman's physical strength? His speed?

His hearing?

What are we trying to get an average OF here?

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
The problem is that if WW is half as unbelievably "skilled" and unbelievably "D.C. Strong" as some people claim her to be, she would kick Superman's ass, period. But she won't because of Super-editting and sexism. And there is no solution to the dilemma.

That's not so -- there IS a solution.

The solution is

1) for Wonder Woman to deliver better sales to DC

and

2) for better editors to become DC staff and replace the ones currently present.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
That's not so -- there IS a solution.

The solution is

1) for Wonder Woman to deliver better sales to DC

and

2) for better editors to become DC staff and replace the ones currently present.

doh

Originally posted by -Pr-
Even if she is as powerful on average as people on this forum say, she wouldn't kick Superman's ass, as he still has several advantages over her.

Him being better than her isn't sexism.

No, it really isn't. She has her own role in the team. Just because it isn't being the strong one, doesn't mean she's somehow being held back.

Advantages? She is a magical being, Superman has no defense against magic. Think about the Captain Mar-vell ownage scan. Also, only one of them has a weapon. His eye beams are completely negated by her bracelets.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
I won't say it's sexism, but there is editorial bias there. It's not at Batman levels of ridiculousness, but I do think Diana is often made to look bad in order to show just how "Super" Clark is.

Even though I give Clark the majority in a normal fight (ie sans weapons) I do consider Diana to be his peer. (Not equal). She is often not written that way though sadly.

If Diana was a tough magic based herald with bracelets she'd be Black Adam.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
doh

Seems like a Catch-22, right?

But there are quite a few thing with Wonder Woman that have not been tried with the character in decades.

Just for starters:

1) a live action TV series.
Haven't had one since the days of Lynda Carter, more than 30 some odd years ago.

Superman, by contrast, has had at least 2 or 3.

2) an animated cartoon

Superman and Batman have both had these. Wonder Woman? Not so much ...

3) a live action movie

This, to my knowledge, has NEVER been done. It would seem to defy logic, too, as DC comics for the past few years has actually been OWNED by a movie-making corporation (Warner Brothers).

Originally posted by h1a8
If Clark doesn't use freeze breath then Diana can win some with her skills and employing some good combos. Also a lasso after stunning Superman would always work.

I'm not sure why you think freeze breath would be such an all-deciding factor.

It's not like Superboy Prime's plot-driven colder-than-absolute-zero, chills-even-shielded-Green-Lanterns-to-the-marrow attack.

In point of fact, Superman DID use freeze breath on Diana.
Far from setting her up for decisive victory, however, it resulted in that ear-ringing clap you saw a page or two ago.

Originally posted by h1a8
There is no way Diana can sneak up on [Superman] unless she has no heartbeat ...

I'll search and see if Diana's actually done anything like that.

I DO remember hearing something about having the power of the hunter to soundlessly track game or the like, though I may be confusing that with something the Titan-created child Devastation was gifted with.

Such fine control by supers of otherwise involuntary bodily functions IS precedented, though, as here, back in Superboy #80, by Kara Zor-el ...