Originally posted by Q99
Editorial bodies approved these fights! Each of them! 😄
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman has taken Shazam bolts in strides, he would take some minor magic lightning bolts and move on. I raise you oneshot KTFO of wonder woman courtesy of HV.The funny thing is that Superman wasn't even attacking her directly.
A single dose of HV and she is toast.
Originally posted by abhilegend
When? Not when it just slit his neck and he healed it back in moments.
Your ability to discard feats from DC characters you don't like is astounding. First Batman, now superman. Nah, it was because it was the only thing she could do. Superman might have as easily punched her in the sun instead of punching her back to earth and she would've been a nice crisped, fried amazon.
He didn't avoid the lasso under his own power, it was Max lord instructing him to avoid it. In his mind he was attacking doomsday and doomsday doesn't has a lasso.Haha, you're insane. When did she got upper hand in For Tomorrow where he was bitchslapping her aside and catching her punch like nothing? Or where did she won in Sacrifice when all she did was slit his throat and broke the mind-control? Around the same time Batman slit his throat with kryptonite and Superman didn't even miss a beat.
The only reason he didn't start fighting her was because the mindcontrol was broken just moments after the throat slit.
Heck, he was impaled by a kryptonite sword through his heart and resumed fighting once it was removed.
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Durability/healing/supermanbatman18a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Durability/healing/supermanbatman18b.jpgOr do you think she got an upper hand in League of one?
crylaugh
Also look how much Shazam bolts hurt Superman
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Durability/blasts/superman216e.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Durability/blasts/superman216f.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Durability/blasts/superman216g.jpgOr lightning from Shazam himself
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Durability/blasts/superman216i.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Durability/blasts/superman216j.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Durability/blasts/superman216k.jpgSuperman also got an upgrade after Infinite Crisis and in only encounter after that, he KTFO her by indirectly attacking her. You post exactly this every time in this thread and then disappear when called on it. This is how it would go down in all honesty
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15753305/BSWWTrinity-002-33.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15753306/BSWWTrinity-002-34.jpg.htmlSuperman owned Bizarro as much as he owned wonder woman.
Dafuc are you talking about? I didn't discard or even mention anything about a "feat." Try to clear your head.
Oh, and you can show us all the scans of Shazam's bolts you want, but it doesn't change the fact that this avatar knocked him the (@*$ out. By they way, did it occur to you that Billy was concerned Shazam would KILL Superman, or did you read right over that in your state of super lust?
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I've been told she automaticaly blocks those sort of EP attacks with her bracelets. What else?
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Dafuc are you talking about? I didn't discard or even mention anything about a "feat." Try to clear your head.Oh, and you can show us all the scans of Shazam's bolts you want, but it doesn't change the fact that this avatar knocked him the (@*$ out. By they way, did it occur to you that Billy was concerned Shazam would KILL Superman, or did you read right over that in your state of super lust?
Yeah, Captain Marve knocked out Superman by suckershotting him twice by magic charged punches. Wonder Woman isn't as strong as Cap, can't charge her fists with magic lightning and can't suckershot him.
Did you forgot to read that Cap said that to free Superman from Eclipso, Shazam had to kill superman. Not that Shazam was going to kill him with those lightning bolts. Or did your superman hate is so blinding?
Originally posted by deathlife
Superman wins.WW might be skilled but the basic power difference between the two is too much for WWs skill IMO.
But WW has instant win options, like stun Superman and then lasso him.
She knows pressure points which can make her blows feel exactly the same as Superman's blows on her. Speed is a wash here.
I say Superman wins because of
1. Freeze breath
2. Multitasking his powers (hv and punching at the same time).
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet[S]how us all the scans of Shazam's bolts you want, but it doesn't change the fact that [his] avatar knocked [Superman] ... out.
[D]id it occur to you that Billy was concerned Shazam would KILL Superman ... ?
There's even more to it than that, sir.
In the scans of your quoted links, the Superman "taking" those Shazam bolts is possessed by Eclipso, an immortal spirit who has shown the mystic ability to "upgrade" the physical stats of his victims.
In fact, such was done by Eclipso for Wonder Woman herself. It is only in about the past decade, for instance, that Wonder Woman has demonstrated intrinsic resistance to bullets and sharp projectiles. Before then, they were something that needed to be guarded against at all costs.
The ironically named villain Devastation demonstrated what happened if Diana didn't take the time to deflect bullets in the past:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14440312
Oh!
Quick note:
I need to make sure people don't get confused. The "LionLady"/Sphinx/whatever in that above image is NOT devastation and did not cause the primary injury to Diana.
THIS is Devastation and where the wound came from:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14440258
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14440323
Notice all the damage from that single shot, featured in Wonder Woman #143 and 144, Volume 2.
That was back in 1999.
Note that, post-Crisis, the further back in time you go, generally, the weaker and less durable Wonder Woman is. Certainly the less durable.
One poster actually showed me Diana's hands bleeding from rope friction back in some late 80s or early 90s showing. She was resisting force of tension insufficient to even uproot a signpost, yet her hands were bleeding.
And while by 1999 she probably would not betray that kind of vulnerability, it's still obvious from what Deva did to her that she was certainly NOT tough enough to take gunfire unshielded.
She almost DIED from a SINGLE bullet.
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Enter Eclipso:
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Wonder_Woman_Annual_Vol_2_3
Given what you saw above, what do you think happened when bullet-vulnerable Wonder Woman, and more vulnerable still because this was back in 1992, was shot with a far MORE powerful gun, multiple times to her chest and upper torso?
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14197291
If Wonder Woman herself is reliable guide, there is scarcely any comparison to the heightened durability of a person possessed by Eclipso to that person under normal conditions.
I'll re-post what I just wrote in link format so people can actually click on those pictures:
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet[S]how us all the scans of Shazam's bolts you want, but it doesn't change the fact that [his] avatar knocked [Superman] ... out.
[D]id it occur to you that Billy was concerned Shazam would KILL Superman ... ?
There's even more to it than that, sir.
In the scans of your quoted links, the Superman "taking" those Shazam bolts is possessed by Eclipso, an immortal spirit who has shown the mystic ability to "upgrade" the physical stats of his victims.
In fact, such was done by Eclipso for Wonder Woman herself. It is only in about the past decade, for instance, that Wonder Woman has demonstrated intrinsic resistance to bullets and sharp projectiles. Before then, they were something that needed to be guarded against at all costs.
The ironically named villain Devastation demonstrated what happened if Diana didn't take the time to deflect bullets in the past:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14440312
Oh!
Quick note:
I need to make sure people don't get confused. The "LionLady"/Sphinx/whatever in that above image is NOT devastation and did not cause the primary injury to Diana.
THIS is Devastation and where the wound came from:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14440258
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14440323
Notice all the damage from that single shot, featured in Wonder Woman #143 and 144, Volume 2.
That was back in 1999.
Note that, post-Crisis, the further back in time you go, generally, the weaker and less durable Wonder Woman is. Certainly the less durable.
One poster actually showed me Diana's hands bleeding from rope friction back in some late 80s or early 90s showing. She was resisting force of tension insufficient to even uproot a signpost, yet her hands were bleeding.
And while by 1999 she probably would not betray that kind of vulnerability, it's still obvious from what Deva did to her that she was certainly NOT tough enough to take gunfire unshielded.
She almost DIED from a SINGLE bullet.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Enter Eclipso:
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Wonder_Woman_Annual_Vol_2_3
Given what you saw above, what do you think happened when bullet-vulnerable Wonder Woman, and more vulnerable still because this was back in 1992, was shot with a far MORE powerful gun, multiple times to her chest and upper torso?
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14197291
If Wonder Woman herself is reliable guide, there is scarcely any comparison to the heightened durability of a person possessed by Eclipso to that person under normal conditions.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I'll re-post what I just wrote in link format so people can actually click on those pictures:There's even more to it than that, sir.
In the scans of your quoted links, the Superman "taking" those Shazam bolts is possessed by Eclipso, an immortal spirit who has shown the mystic ability to "upgrade" the physical stats of his victims.
In fact, such was done by Eclipso for Wonder Woman herself. It is only in about the past decade, for instance, that Wonder Woman has demonstrated intrinsic resistance to bullets and sharp projectiles. Before then, they were something that needed to be guarded against at all costs.
take the time to deflect bullets in the past:
The ironically named villain Devastation demonstrated what happened if Diana [b]didn'thttp://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14440312
Oh!
Quick note:
I need to make sure people don't get confused. The "LionLady"/Sphinx/whatever in that above image is NOT devastation and did not cause the primary injury to Diana.
THIS is Devastation and where the wound came from:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14440258
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14440323Notice all the damage from that single shot, featured in Wonder Woman #143 and 144, Volume 2.
That was back in 1999.
Note that, post-Crisis, the further back in time you go, generally, the weaker and less durable Wonder Woman is. Certainly the less durable.
One poster actually showed me Diana's hands bleeding from rope friction back in some late 80s or early 90s showing. She was resisting force of tension insufficient to even uproot a signpost, yet her hands were bleeding.And while by 1999 she probably would not betray that kind of vulnerability, it's still obvious from what Deva did to her that she was certainly NOT tough enough to take gunfire unshielded.
She almost DIED from a SINGLE bullet.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Enter Eclipso:
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Wonder_Woman_Annual_Vol_2_3
Given what you saw above, what do you think happened when bullet-vulnerable Wonder Woman, and more vulnerable still because this was back in 1992, was shot with a far MORE powerful gun, multiple times to her chest and upper torso?
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14197291
If Wonder Woman herself is reliable guide, there is scarcely any comparison to the heightened durability of a person possessed by Eclipso to that person under normal conditions. [/B]
I appreciate the post. I knew Abi was up to his old tricks when he failed to mention he was posting scan of Eclipso Superman as if no one would notice. I didn't have the energy at the time to call him on it. He must think we are all idiots. Clearly Eclipso upgrades the character in possessions' durability, so using this as an example of the normal characters durability is invalid.
Which brings us back to the argument: Wonder Woman's lighting attack WOULD hurt him...that is unless he is written by the same fanboy writer that decided he wanted to ignore Superman's weakness to kryptonite.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet👆
I appreciate the post. I knew Abi was up to his old tricks when he failed to mention he was posting scan of Eclipso Superman as if no one would notice. I didn't have the energy at the time to call him on it. He must think we are all idiots. Clearly Eclipso upgrades the character in possessions' durability, so using this as an example of the normal characters durability is invalid.Which brings us back to the argument: Wonder Woman's lighting attack WOULD hurt him...that is unless he is written by the same fanboy writer that decided he wanted to ignore Superman's weakness to kryptonite.
Originally posted by bluewaterriderLois was also able to knock Superman around when she was possessed, along with a group of humans overwhelming Superman while they were possessed in the same fight.
I'll re-post what I just wrote in link format so people can actually click on those pictures:There's even more to it than that, sir.
In the scans of your quoted links, the Superman "taking" those Shazam bolts is possessed by Eclipso, an immortal spirit who has shown the mystic ability to "upgrade" the physical stats of his victims.
In fact, such was done by Eclipso for Wonder Woman herself. It is only in about the past decade, for instance, that Wonder Woman has demonstrated intrinsic resistance to bullets and sharp projectiles. Before then, they were something that needed to be guarded against at all costs.
take the time to deflect bullets in the past:
The ironically named villain Devastation demonstrated what happened if Diana [b]didn'thttp://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14440312
Oh!
Quick note:
I need to make sure people don't get confused. The "LionLady"/Sphinx/whatever in that above image is NOT devastation and did not cause the primary injury to Diana.
THIS is Devastation and where the wound came from:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14440258
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14440323Notice all the damage from that single shot, featured in Wonder Woman #143 and 144, Volume 2.
That was back in 1999.
Note that, post-Crisis, the further back in time you go, generally, the weaker and less durable Wonder Woman is. Certainly the less durable.
One poster actually showed me Diana's hands bleeding from rope friction back in some late 80s or early 90s showing. She was resisting force of tension insufficient to even uproot a signpost, yet her hands were bleeding.And while by 1999 she probably would not betray that kind of vulnerability, it's still obvious from what Deva did to her that she was certainly NOT tough enough to take gunfire unshielded.
She almost DIED from a SINGLE bullet.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Enter Eclipso:
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Wonder_Woman_Annual_Vol_2_3
Given what you saw above, what do you think happened when bullet-vulnerable Wonder Woman, and more vulnerable still because this was back in 1992, was shot with a far MORE powerful gun, multiple times to her chest and upper torso?
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=14197291
If Wonder Woman herself is reliable guide, there is scarcely any comparison to the heightened durability of a person possessed by Eclipso to that person under normal conditions. [/B]
Mind you Superman didn't want to hurt her, but it was still above a human's paygrade by far
Yeah, looks how much Eclipso amps somebody in modern times.
Alex Montez who had the entirety of dark diamond in his body, died from falling from a building. In case you didn't know sunlight weakens Eclipso and guess which thing powers up superman?
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I appreciate the post. I knew Abi was up to his old tricks when he failed to mention he was posting scan of Eclipso Superman as if no one would notice. I didn't have the energy at the time to call him on it. He must think we are all idiots. Clearly Eclipso upgrades the character in possessions' durability, so using this as an example of the normal characters durability is invalid.Which brings us back to the argument: Wonder Woman's lighting attack WOULD hurt him...that is unless he is written by the same fanboy writer that decided he wanted to ignore Superman's weakness to kryptonite.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, looks how much Eclipso amps somebody in modern times.Alex Montez who had the entirety of dark diamond in his body, died from falling from a building. In case you didn't know sunlight weakens Eclipso and guess which thing powers up superman?
That wasn't a powered up Superman in any way or form. Eclipso gets weakened by solar energies in superman's body as stated in Superman/Shazam: First Thunder written by the same writer Judd Winnick.
Pretty sure Eclipso let him die. Hence the laughter.
Originally posted by SquallX
Pretty sure Eclipso let him die. Hence the laughter.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Eclipso was bound to Alex's body untill he died. He could only influence him when the binding Glyphs were broken by blood. It doesn't matter anyway, Eclips'd superman was hurt by solar matter in first encounter and Judd Winick specifically wrote Eclipso weakening from sunlight.
That's nonsense. You can clearly see bullets bouncing off of Wonderwoman with dialogue to support the fact that she was amped. If it amped her, it would amp Superman, thus his ability to take magical lighting strikes. The idea that Eclipso's possession would weaken Superman and strengthen everyone else is laughable.
Anyway, there is no indicaton that Shazam was trying to actually kill Superman, in fact, he wasn't and you know it. A sufficient magical lighting strike would likely have done the job. Clearly Eclipso was intent on making Superman kill himself.
As far as Eclipso being "weak" to sunlight, that simply is not supported in the panels. He looked pretty damn strong. The cumulative strength from Superman and Eclipso's amping clearly > and supposed weakness to sunlight by Eclipso.
The irony of all of this is you are fully supporting the contradiction that Superman is not weak to magic, when that has been a stated weakness for decades, yet you see nothing wrong with that. You also posted picks of him being stabbed with the kryptonite sword with glee. D.C. is always jerking off to Superman, and you are always giving us a play by play.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
That much is obvious. Notice how the "Eclipso face" returns to normal in the air.
Don't talk about anything you don't know shit about.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
That's nonsense. You can clearly see bullets bouncing off of Wonderwoman with dialogue to support the fact that she was amped. If it amped her, it would amp Superman, thus his ability to take magical lighting strikes. The idea that Eclipso's possession would weaken Superman and strengthen everyone else is laughable.Anyway, there is no indicaton that Shazam was trying to actually kill Superman, in fact, he wasn't and you know it. A sufficient magical lighting strike would likely have done the job. Clearly Eclipso was intent on making Superman kill himself.
As far as Eclipso being "weak" to sunlight, that simply is not supported in the panels. He looked pretty damn strong. The cumulative strength from Superman and Eclipso's amping clearly > and supposed weakness to sunlight by Eclipso.
The irony of all of this is you are fully supporting the contradiction that Superman is not weak to magic, when that has been a stated weakness for decades, yet you see nothing wrong with that. You also posted picks of him being stabbed with the kryptonite sword with glee. D.C. is always jerking off to Superman, and you are always giving us a play by play.
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/teams/AdventuresOfAnnual04s.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/teams/AdventuresOfAnnual04t.jpg
Superman should've been weakened by that possession instead since magical possession weakens him and Eclipso weakens by sunlight. Just see what happens when somebody allergic to sunlight tests superman's power
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Energy/absorbing/superman180a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Energy/absorbing/superman180b.jpg
And why would you say that? Oh, I forgot who you are. Anyway Wonder Woman=/=Shazam even if her lightning is called zeus' lightning which it isn't. Wonder Girl had Zeus' lightning in her lasso too and it didn't even knock out Superboy.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/02-14-100110.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/02-14-100111.jpg
Haha, you're clueless.
Magic and Kryptonite ARE a weakness to Superman. Doesn't means he would fold over and die whenever he encounters one like some of you think. What are you saying here anyway? Wonder Woman would beat Superman because she has some pew-pew magical lightning which has no showings of harming anybody to his level while Superman would lose to her despite oneshotting her? Hating much?
