Superman vs wwh.

Originally posted by Juntai
Actually, in that fight Doomsday only hit when Superman let him, and he broke his claws doing it.
And him appearing on multiple sides of an opponent overwhelming them is something he can easily do to Hulk, given his gigantic speed advantage.
You can try to downplay it all you like, it's still applicable.

I get you, and am not trying to downplay it - I know Superman is insanely fast....its just due to the fact that he gets nailed by strikes of these same "slower" opponents he It would appear either he likes to get hit, its due to a lack of defensive knowlege, or he does have a period of slowing down preceding some of his faster or more power strikes.

Else he wouldn't get touched by these type of guys whatsoever.

Originally posted by Alfheim
CIS isnt exempt from debates. IS it CIS or PIS that Superman doesnt always use his speed?

CIS is automatically exempt unless otherwise stated, as is PIS.

BOTH are applicable, depending on which superman story is being referenced...

Originally posted by Juntai
Actually, in that fight Doomsday only hit when Superman let him, and he broke his claws doing it.
And him appearing on multiple sides of an opponent overwhelming them is something he can easily do to Hulk, given his gigantic speed advantage.
You can try to downplay it all you like, it's still applicable.

and this wasnt long after he'd been blitzing imperiex probes that had been powerful enough to take on the jla...

Originally posted by horrorwolf
I get you, and am not trying to downplay it - I know Superman is insanely fast....its just due to the fact that he gets nailed by strikes of these same "slower" opponents he It would appear either he likes to get hit, its due to a lack of defensive knowlege, or he does have a period of slowing down preceding some of his faster or more power strikes.

Else he wouldn't get touched by these type of guys whatsoever.

he has an insane desire to be fair, hence he fights at his opponent's level if that opponent is slower/weaker etc...

Originally posted by pr1983
he has an insane desire to be fair, hence he fights at his opponent's level if that opponent is slower/weaker etc...

Fair enough to take unnecesary strikes from slow guys? cmon....

Is that fair or just stupid? there is no way to know if its even indicating a recovery period.
Is Superman a masochist? or maybe he is concerned about self confidence and mental stability of his enemies...so he lets them feel good about hitting him?

Originally posted by horrorwolf
I get you, and am not trying to downplay it - I know Superman is insanely fast....its just due to the fact that he gets nailed by strikes of these same "slower" opponents he It would appear either he likes to get hit, its due to a lack of defensive knowlege, or he does have a period of slowing down preceding some of his faster or more power strikes.

Else he wouldn't get touched by these type of guys whatsoever.

If thats true he has to lose points for both being stupid and a poor fighter defensively.

And possibly a poor-man's Criminal Psychologist.

Originally posted by pr1983
CIS is automatically exempt unless otherwise stated, as is PIS.

No its not.

Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.

Originally posted by pr1983

BOTH are applicable, depending on which superman story is being referenced...

To be quite honest with you im not sure wether its PIS or CIS but CIS is not exempt.

Originally posted by pr1983
wolverine has one of the most high end healing factors in comics, and comparing superman's to his is silly...

And Hulk's healing is even beyond that of Wolverine's....One that pulls from endless gamma, not stored cells or natural body energies.

JLA Classified 15.

The JLA is decimated, laying unconscious, and Superman stands up to fight more.

Alien: Are you read for more? (To Superman )
Supes: Actually, I think I'm ready to stop playing with you.
Alien: Playing? I've beaten you half to death.

Supes: Not even close. I needed to measure your power and get a handle on what's really happening here. And that took time. So I just soaked up your punches while I worked it all out.

Supes: You see I'm not human. My eyes, for instance, work very diferently. There was a flicker on everything. All the surfaces in here, including yours, cycle 512 times a second. The others would never see that. But I do. Just as I can see and hear all the communications traffic moving around. Finding the frequencies took time.

Supes: I am a scientists son of the House of El. And I am a reporter. And while I may not be as quick at pattern recognition as my wife, I'm not completely stupid. Given time, I can find my way into any story. And this is just a story. Make-believe. You pushed your little stunt just a hair too far, and I saw through it.

Supes: You're strong. Your strategy programming is clever and complex. And you have absolutely no concept of the canctity of organic life. (supes uses heat vision to burn off the aliens right arm)

Supes: All these things make you a powerful, frightening enemy. But I'm Superman.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
If thats true he has to lose points for both being stupid and a poor fighter defensively.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
And Hulk's healing is even beyond that of Wolverine's....One that pulls from endless gamma, not stored cells or natural body energies.

Originally posted by Juntai
Oh really? Lets not mention Captain America smacking Hulk around and knocking him out then.

Yes, but that would be similar to Superman struggling to lift low level objects like tankers.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Fair enough to take unnecesary strikes from slow guys? cmon....

Is that fair or just stupid? there is no way to know if its even indicating a recovery period.
Is Superman a masochist? or maybe he is concerned about self confidence and mental stability of his enemies...so he lets them feel good about hitting him?

no, to quote batman (or at least paraphrase him anyways), 'the enemy could be gnawing on his intestines and clark would be still trying to shake its hand'

he fights at the same speed/strength level as his enemies, and he does so more often than not...

or as juntai put it:

Originally posted by Juntai
JLA Classified 15.

The JLA is decimated, laying unconscious, and Superman stands up to fight more.

Alien: Are you read for more? (To Superman )
Supes: Actually, I think I'm ready to stop playing with you.
Alien: Playing? I've beaten you half to death.

Supes: Not even close. I needed to measure your power and get a handle on what's really happening here. And that took time. So I just soaked up your punches while I worked it all out.

Supes: You see I'm not human. My eyes, for instance, work very diferently. There was a flicker on everything. All the surfaces in here, including yours, cycle 512 times a second. The others would never see that. But I do. Just as I can see and hear all the communications traffic moving around. Finding the frequencies took time.

Supes: I am a scientists son of the House of El. And I am a reporter. And while I may not be as quick at pattern recognition as my wife, I'm not completely stupid. Given time, I can find my way into any story. And this is just a story. Make-believe. You pushed your little stunt just a hair too far, and I saw through it.

Supes: You're strong. Your strategy programming is clever and complex. And you have absolutely no concept of the canctity of organic life. (supes uses heat vision to burn off the aliens right arm)

Supes: All these things make you a powerful, frightening enemy. But I'm Superman.

Originally posted by Alfheim
No its not.

Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.

To be quite honest with you im not sure wether its PIS or CIS but CIS is not exempt.

CIS has long been exempt from debates (by the debators themselves), if it wasn't, people like superman would lose most of their matches... how old are those rules? 😖

CIS has for a very long time been pretty much discarded by the forum at large, and the rules should have reflected that...

Originally posted by horrorwolf
And Hulk's healing is even beyond that of Wolverine's....One that pulls from endless gamma, not stored cells or natural body energies.

nobody is debating hulk's healing factor... well, except you and juntai, but i never questioned it... 😬

Originally posted by Juntai
If it's endless how did Surfer drain him of it? How did Titannus?

By draining him of all Gamma. Surfer and a few other cosmics can do this as they feed off cosmic energies.

Superman cant' drain this, so Hulk becomes continues to grow stronger and stronger as the fight wears on.

Originally posted by pr1983

CIS has long been exempt from debates (by the debators themselves), if it wasn't, people like superman would lose most of their matches... how old are those rules? 😖

CIS has for a very long time been pretty much discarded by the forum at large, and the rules should have reflected that...

Oh really so why have I had debates where CIS has been included?
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Originally posted by pr1983
nobody is debating hulk's healing factor... well, except you and juntai, but i never questioned it... 😬

It was questioned earlier, and is very relevent to this topic as it vital to both keeping WWHulk in this fight, remain capable of doing damage, as well wearing down his opponents over time during battle.

Hulk has Durabilty that is slightly below Superman, but has cell and tissue Regen that is far beyond that of Wolverine's, much less Kryptonians in general. I would put it just under Deadpool's when sufficiently enraged.

The point is, he clearly has shown his speed in combat, the speed to be far faster than his slower opponents, and at times, even other speedsters.. he's proved it time and time again. Thus, it is applicable here. No point in debating it farther.

Originally posted by Juntai
The point is, he clearly has shown his speed in combat, the speed to be far faster than his slower opponents, and at times, even other speedsters.. he's proved it time and time again. Thus, it is applicable here. No point in debating it farther.

There's no debate whatsoever, based on track records with those far slower than Hulk he's taken a lot of damage.

Point being...Based on both fighting Style, and fight history....Superman will take a lot of physical damage by WWH at close range.

And it is clearly a case of PIS,

No Mentioning Events of PIS
Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics.

CIS afflicted characters are ones that can't use their powers effectively enough to win fights. That is clearly not Superman. While the above certainly defines comics where he's matched against someone far less powerful.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
There's no debate whatsoever, based on track records with those far slower than Hulk he's taken a lot of damage.

Point being...Based on both fighting Style, and fight history....Superman will take a lot of physical damage by WWH at close range.

You trying to throw PIS examples out there doesn't help your arguement so much as hurt your credibility here.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Oh really so why have I had debates where CIS has been included?
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must be the ones i wasnt then... if CIS was included, in every fight on this forum he's in superman would spend 90% of the time getting his head kicked in before he measured his opponent just enough so he could take them down... he'd also always hold back...

cyclops would never use his full strength blast...

everyone who fights batman or cap and should beat them might not as they might job...

i'll admit that in some cases, when its something unavoidable (like gladiators confidence), then sure, its applied, but to be honest, did many people come into this thread thinking to themselves that hulk could take it simply because superman was going to fight like he always does and holds back until he realises how much punishment he can dish out and not take hulk's head off?

Originally posted by horrorwolf
I understand.

It was questioned earlier, and is very relevent to this topic as it vital to both keeping WWHulk in this fight, remain capable of doing damage, as well wearing down his opponents over time during battle.

as is superman's... relevant, i mean...