Do the Marvel and Dc multiverses exist within the same creation?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Dimensions are stated to be universes.

The issue goes on to state that many Marvel universes
are made of a number of dimensions.

Its as simple as that.

I will not be told by yourself what Marvel is saying
when it is there clear as day for me and other forum readers to see ourselves.

You tried to be slick,
you used part of this scan to TRY
and fallaciously state that the 616 Reality was a Multiverse,
in order to boost the Beyonder scan, which was also twisted into a lie.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Thank you for posting the full page. You've helped me a great deal.

Same ol' same ol' ... atleast you're consistent.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

So Dr Strange is exploring the nature of what he sums up as the multiverse. Notice that is singular, not plural.
He isn't exploring the nature of the multiverses.

"Other Clusters"

If "Man's Universe" (a Cluster) has it's own INFINITE number of Alternative UniverseS,
EXPLORED by the WatcherS: (obviously the Prime Multiverse)

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And the Prime Multiverse is but ONE Cluster:

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"There are Universes
whose number of Spatial Dimensions range between 2.7 etc and 6.2 etc,
these all share a commonality of Concepts,
hence they are grouped into a Cluster, (a Multiverse)

Man's Cluster is One of the responsibilities of the Living Tribunal"

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Obviously OTHER Clusters are OTHER MultiverseS:

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"Universes ... with lower or higher Dimensions ... are Truly different"

"even there Life exists, in Forms totally inconceivable to mankind"

"There the Living Tribunal takes Other Shapes

to Administer to Other Clusters" (MultiverseS)

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Ahh, sometimes .. I'm good. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

After having been told that dimensions are universes.
We are told during Dr Stranges exploration of THE multiverse that there are universes that themselves are made up of numerous dimensions.

Because the various dimensions of these universe share the same cosmic structure (i.e the abstracts are prevalent) then these dimensions are grouped together as one universe, despite debatably being a pseudo multiverses unto themselves.

Further proving the point that these clusters being referred to are universes, it is stated that mans cluster is one of LT's responsibilities. The next panel goes on to explore lower universes after having briefly touched on the subject of mans cluster/universe.
Its then stated that these lower dimensions are different to the higher ones and that LT takes a different shape to appear to these clusters.
Given that the subject matter in this section was regarding universes, a cluster is conclusively the reference used for one of these multi dimensional universe
Just to summarise, the exercise as a whole was the exploratiion of THE multiverse.
We are told that universes in the multiverse are composed of several dimensions themselves but due to a common cosmic hierarchy, they are grouped together as one cluster.
We're told mans cluster is one of LT's responsibilities, we're then taken on a tour of universes lower than mans one(showing you that mans cluster was a higher universe) and then we're told these lower dimensions are different and that to these clusters(therefore linking the reference "cluster" to a universe) LT appears in different forms.
It is there plain as day. No need to add words to Marvel on panel statements to tell us what Marvel is saying 👇
Dimensions are universes. Universes can be made of many dimensions. A common hierarchy sees these multi-dimensional universes grouped as a cluster, mans cluster along with many others is under LT's jurisdiction.
All of that as stated on panel, an exploration of the multiverse.

I didn't even bother to read it after the first line,
since it's based off of a mis-interpretation.

Originally posted by Mr Master
What, your lies?

You already did that.

😉

❌

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Good afternoon(UK time 🙂 ) Emmie.

We've gone on a tangent long enough. I don't want to read through another convoluted essay in defence of your misinterpretation. 🙄

Can you please just cut to the chase and show us where Marvel has stated that their collection realities makes up an omniverse all by their lonesome. 😖hifty:

With that you could counter their previous statement which said the contrary. ✅

Without that, you're wasting your time and clogging up my lovely thread. 🙁 🙂

What you got for me?!!! 😱

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Its irrelevant if Marvel depicts the omniverse on panel,
that doesn't change Marvels statement.

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1. Omniverse

2. TOAA

1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"

2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/Creator of the Omniverse"

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Spin it all you want. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Marvel isn't allowed to depict any of DC's properties
(as stated by handbook writers as i've presented)

Oh, you mean the voice over at "Comixfan" ... wow, you too?

You can't even debate for yourself, with your own material anymore?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

because of the limits of copyright,
therefore it is only in crossovers that we see the point that they exist within the same omniverse demonstrated.

They're supposed to share the same Omniverse,
they've made a Cross-over which is supposed to be canon,
and yet, infrigement is a concern.

What a strange relationship Marvel/DC have.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

That fact accounts for all of the times you blab on about Wanda doing this

Yo son, you best take that drivel to Marvel:

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X-Men Die by the Sword - (Late 2007)

"Not long ago, the Omniverse was swept
by a Temporal Reality Wave of unimaginable power,
that literally tore the Continuum to bits and Re-arranged it"

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"During the Scarlet Witch's 'House of M' Reality Warp,

Jaspers Reformed alive merged with the Fury"

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Go ahead, spin it again.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

and Roma saying that about the omniverse.
As long as DC property isn't depicted by reference or explicit visaulisation
then Marvel can do what it wants.

As stated, and artistically depicted. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

But thats just the point Manjaro, Marvel has stated their realities don't make up an omniverse by themselves, therefore you cannot under any circumstance argue that they do.

That opinion is officially rejected and is just your opinion.

This is from an Exiles (MARVEL COMIC) issue Majaro,
(literally - from the questionnaire addressed to the WRITERS)
when he throws that at you, throw this back.

Originally posted by Galan007

Here are the excerpts we are referring to,

from the last page of the latest issue of Exiles:

"The Omniverse ... There are [B]infinite MULTIverseS inside it"

[/B]

is Marvel's Omniverse!!!

Can anyone present evidence of another company claiming THIS? ❌

Is there On Panel PROOF ...
that directly links an "infinite MULTI-Multiversal Omniverse" with Marvel?

You bet your ass there is. ✅

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(Goblin Queen/Beyonder's essence) ... like I said, ONLY Marvel's Omniverse!!!!

"The Beyonder Walks amongst us ... He will Destroy Everything"

"The MultiverseS ...

the Past ... the Present ... the Yet to Be ... will ALL be Destroyed"

✅

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Hmm ... perhaps just the term MultiverseS on its own isn't enough.

Meh, how's this then ...

"In the Countless MultiverseS you (Alex) alone are unique"

"So much Power in such a small mind ...

we could have Conquered the MultiverseS together ...

Now I will have to do it alone"

whistling

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Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Marvel has said its realities aren't an omniverse unto themselves,
it says it belongs in an omniverse alongside other comic book companies.
Until it comes out with a statement declaring it to possess an omniverse separate from all others fictional ones then no pairing of comic book scan and comic book fan interpretation,
no matter how many times it is presented is going to change that.

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1. Omniverse

2. TOAA

1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"

2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/Creator of the Omniverse"

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TOAA is a sole property of Marvel.

If he created this Omniverse ... then obviously it's a Marvel Omniverse. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

You said LT existed in all realities of the omniverse.
That is NOT true as i have shown.
Therefore your primary reason for being hesistant to accept canon
is no longer releveant.

The only kaka you have to lean on is the 2005 single definition.

Vs.

My plethora of On Panel evidence, and UPDATED 2007 ---and --- 2008 Official Handbooks.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

So Mr Master having no official statement to counter the one i've presented appears rather conspicuously out of nowhere once he sees the rather capable debator that is Manjaro putting up a fight

No statement in tow, he's just here to jump on Manjaros bandwagon.

I've been debating this argument for pages,
I even took you on in my thread, before you decided to spam it.

Manjaro ate you up like a child, and I agree with his points,
so yea, I must be his sock, or bandwagon associate.

Jeesh,
does your ego smack you in the face when you look at yourself in the mirror?

You are one pompous individual dude.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Now that you;re back from exile would you like to present to us what offical statement you've found that shows a change of perspective for Marvel and DC?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

No comic book scans,
coupled with an essay of you telling us how the scan answers the question, even though a quick read of the scan by ourselves brings to mind your psychosis,
just a direct unambiguous statement straight from Marvel.

Kinda like this one:

Just to reiterate:

"a quick read of the scan by ourselves?"

😆

Btw. Nice 2005 bio:

Here's the Winter 2007 Bio:

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1. Omniverse

2. TOAA

1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"

2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/Creator of the Omniverse"

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TOAA CREATEd the Omniverse?

WHAT?

What Omniverse?

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Earth X Trilogy - (2000)

"The Omniverse"

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Infinity Abyss - (2002)

"An Infinity beyond Infinity"

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Exiles - (Mid 2007)

"I offer the Omniverse"

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X-Men Die by the Sword - (Late 2007)

"Not long ago, the Omniverse was swept
by a Temporal Reality Wave of unimaginable power,
that literally tore the Continuum to bits and Re-arranged it"

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Exiles - (2008)

"Those lights we've been assuming was a star, just as we see from Earth,
they represent entire Dimensions.

I think that's a representation of the entire Omniverse,
we're looking at All Creation"

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Exiles (2008)

"Crystal Palace ... home of the Exiles ...
when they look up into the sky at night at what they believe are Stars ...
... it turns out they're really beholding Entire DimensionS,
the WHOLE, incredible panoply (collection) of the Omniverse ...
... right before their eyes"

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Oh, I see.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Good afternoon(UK time) Emmie.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

We've gone on a tangent long enough.
I don't want to read through another convoluted essay
in defence of your misinterpretation.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Can you please just cut to the chase and show us where Marvel has stated that their collection realities makes up an omniverse all by their lonesome.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

With that you could counter their previous statement which said the contrary.

Winter 2007 bio states the TOAA Created the Omniverse.

Winter 2007 Bios confirms the Omniverse is made of numerical numbers ###
which is strickly a Marvel protocol:

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(Winter 2007)

Core Continuum Designation

"Numerical identification given to each Earth in the Omniverse"

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And from 2000 to 2008,
Marvel not only artistically illustrates Their Omniverse On Panel:

Here's the latest - 2008:

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Exiles (2008)

"Crystal Palace ... home of the Exiles ...
when they look up into the sky at night at what they believe are Stars ...
... it turns out they're really beholding Entire DimensionS,
the WHOLE, incredible panoply (collection) of the Omniverse ...
... right before their eyes"

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But the 2008 Handbook Bios also confirm,
that Jaspers during "X-men Die by the Sword"
Was literally going to destroy the Omniverse:

2008 - Exiles BIO ...

"Exiles teamed with Excalibur,
to stop Jaspers & the Fury from destroying the Omniverse"

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And On Panel, this same Omniverse was literally stated BY the WRITER,
to have been "torn to pieces" by Wanda"

"Not long ago, the Omniverse was swept
by a Temporal Reality Wave of unimaginable power,
that literally tore the Continuum to bits and Re-arranged it"

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Now, post the spin ... we're used to it. 🙂

Dr Strange talks of an exploration of the multiverse.

Notice its singular.

Not multiverses, but the multiverse, so all he goes on to explore, all that is depicted on panel for us is what is contained within the Marvel multiverse 🙂

The comic has a clear chain of thought. It states that dimensions are universes.

It states that universes sometimes have multiple dimensions. Notice the subject is specifically regarding universes and the dimensions that compose them. So when the title goes on to say that they are all grouped together to form a cluster because of their common cosmic hierarchy, it is referring to the universes which have just been said to contain multiple dimensions:

You still with me son?

It goes on to have a deeper look at the structure of THE multiverse. (Please bear in mind this is all as stated an exploration of the multiverse, NOT multiverses)

It talks of how lower dimensions/universes also have multiple dimensions. (See that? Universes composed of multiple dimensions, yet still on panel being referred to as universes.) 🙂

It then says that LT takes a different shape to appear to these clusters, therefore proving that the cluster reference is used to describe the multi-dimensional universes. 🙂

Repost the same thing you have been reposting since 2007 and i will have it removed from the thread.

I'm all for having a debate, but if your material you've posted has been countered, you come with something new, you don't mock the counter argument and then proceed to post yours again.

There's actually a good debate going on between Manjaro and myself and I will not have that covered up by your bullsh*t, which was likely the intention. 🙂

If you've run out of steam, then disappear bye

Originally posted by Creshosk
Look at all that circular reasoning. Marvel's right because Marvel says Marvel is right.

Face facts, Reality>Marvel's word

It's really not that hard a concept to get. You're using the bible to justify the bible... So if I were to write a comic and get it published that said that a character I made owned the omniverse, suddenly I'd own and have control over the omniverse?

Got any non-comic book information that backs up any of the outlandish claims you've made? so far all you've got is circular reasoning.

👆

Originally posted by starlock
There is one Omniverse and all companies and even our universe is in it . like it or not thats the facts

Originally posted by Magee
Thats the thing though, that is the fact for Marvel, we all know our universe is not part of it and we know DC or any other company is not part of it. The link you posted of Marvel saying all comic companies exist with in there omniverse does not work but it really don't matter unless other companies acknowledge it. All Marvel/DC crossovers happened before 2005, people are using some crazy roundabout logic which include both companies acknowledging a few events from crossovers to justify this, you only need to look at it from simple terms to know other comics universes don't exist with in Marvels "omniverse". Any thing trying to claim they exist with in the same creation is purely fan made.

Thats because marvel does not have thier own omniverse, when that is understood the rest is simple...not crazy roundabout logic

Omniverse-noone owns it, they all exist within it

And Official Hanbooks are not fan made,nor is the site for which the definition was clarified

Our universe does exist within one omniverse...when characters break thru the comic and talk to the current artist or writer and or the editor....what world is that? is that not aknowledging our world?

Thats our world inside the marvel universe? Obviously it's not actualy our world just the representation of it, it is still logicaly just another universe of Marvels depicted as being the one we live in. Seems as though its being taken out of comic book context and applied to every single thing in which case all of Marvel's universe are part of our omniverse, it all just seems ilogical to me but oh well. I think people tend to look to much in to these things.

Originally posted by Magee
Thats our world inside the marvel universe? Obviously it's not actualy our world just the representation of it, it is still logicaly just another universe of Marvels depicted as being the one we live in. Seems as though its being taken out of comic book context and applied to every single thing in which case all of Marvel's universe are part of our omniverse, it all just seems ilogical to me but oh well. I think people tend to look to much in to these things.

You say marvel......But its not only marvel...DC has had characters pop out of the comic also...

Hey its ok to disagree and such, or to have different views on certain things 🙂

But at least we dont insult eachother.....which i believe causes alot of extra effort in proving which side is right and which side is wrong...hence the" I think people tend to look to much into these things"

Originally posted by Magee
Thats our world inside the marvel universe? Obviously it's not actualy our world just the representation of it, it is still logicaly just another universe of Marvels depicted as being the one we live in. Seems as though its being taken out of comic book context and applied to every single thing in which case all of Marvel's universe are part of our omniverse, it all just seems ilogical to me but oh well. I think people tend to look to much in to these things.

chances are if we are reading or posting on these boards you look to much in to these things

Originally posted by starlock
Thats because marvel does not have thier own omniverse, when that is understood the rest is simple...not crazy roundabout logic

Omniverse-noone owns it, they all exist within it

And Official Hanbooks are not fan made,nor is the site for which the definition was clarified

Our universe does exist within one omniverse...when characters break thru the comic and talk to the current artist or writer and or the editor....what world is that? is that not aknowledging our world?

Originally posted by Juntai
Yep, for a while Animal Man was even seeing our world, said he could see everyone watching him.
But animal man did a lot of drugs too.
Or should I say Grant Morrison did a lot of drugs?

Thats funny, i never got into his character that much, but i am starting to now!

Would you recomend anything? A certain run or did he have his own comic for a while?

Originally posted by starlock
Thats funny, i never got into his character that much, but i am starting to now!

Would you recomend anything? A certain run or did he have his own comic for a while?

Originally posted by starlock
Thats funny, i never got into his character that much, but i am starting to now!

Would you recomend anything? A certain run or did he have his own comic for a while?

Thanks Juntai & Galan007, i will definetly call my comic store and get my hands on those...i have a somewhat familularity with him but never gave him a chance...untill now