Do the Marvel and Dc multiverses exist within the same creation?

The Captain Marvel arc is dealing with the actual full blown Prime MULTIVERSE!!!

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That WAS the infinite Multiverse Genis/Entropy erased:

"ENTROPY is the Son of,

Eternity, the Cosmic Being whose Essence

Encompasses the ENTIRETY of the MULTIVERSE ...

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On Panel confirmation it was MORE than just 616:

"I could have let you faced Oblivion with the rest of the Microverse"

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If the MICROVERSE (located OUTSIDE 616) was erased too,
then it was The MUTLIVERSE!!!! that was erased ... NOT just 616.

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PROOF ...

The MICROVERSE is an entire Universe RE-CREATED by the MAKERS.
completely and totality separated and located OUTSIDE the 616 Reality:

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The Microverse is IN an entirely separate Universe Outside the 616 Reality/Universe:

Here's Rick talking from withIN the 616 Reality:

"Bang the bands, get me back to MY Universe ... the MICROVERSE"

Now here's Rick talking with some creature from withIN the Microverse,
about Genis who's withIN 616:

Captain Marvel, whose exploits HERE in what you call the MICROVERSE,
are unknown to me,
except he (Genis) is presently OUT in your Universe while you remain HERE"

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More Proof:

The MAKERS took a UNIVERSE and RE-CREATED it,

the Micro-verse (which they ALSO Created) is PART of this Universe.

"They have taken the FABRIC of the COSMOS, and WOVEN it ANEW"

The MAKERS brought Souls from all the UniverseS of the MUTLI-VERSE
into this UNIVERSE they RE-CREATED, to give it meaning:

More proof

They RESHAPED a UNIVERSE, in their OWN, and a section of that Universe was the ONE and ONLY MICRO-VERSE, which they also created:

"They Remade the STARS, the PLANETS, the GALAXIES"

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So if we KNOW the Microverse is part of a Universe separate from the 616 Universe/Reality,

then we know what this means:

"I could have let you faced Oblivion with the rest of the MICROVERSE"

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If the Universe the MAKERS re-created (Outside of 616) was erased,

then the "Backside of the Front Cover" wasn't hyperboling,

and indeed, the Multiverse was destroyed.

The Negative Zone is located OUTSIDE the 616 Reality, completely separated,
in fact,
that's what the Annihilation arc was all about,
the 616 Universe was expanding into the Negative Zone:

If you'd like this is from ... BACK in the DAY:

"A New Universe,
which can be reached through the NEGATIVE ZONE -
the CROSSROADS of INFINITY"

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Through the NEGATIVE ZONE, you can reach MANY UNIVERSES:

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"a LIGHTLESS UNIVERSE!....You SEE? Now we shift to a SECOND one!"

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"we're right on the edge of ALL REALITIES"

According to GS, this is just 616. 😂

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"Before us lies our Final UNIVERSE"

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Or .. if you prefer GS,

we can use more recent depictions of the NEGATIVE ZONE

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From the Annihilation arc:

AGAIN!!!!

The Negative Zone is located OUTSIDE the 616 Reality, completely separated,
in fact,
that's what the Annihilation arc was all about,
the 616 Universe was expanding into the Negative Zone:

PROOF:

Annihilus: "What do you know of the Negative Zone titan"

Thanos: "The Negative Zone is of little interest to me"

Annihilus: "How much do you of THIS (616) Universe then?"

Thanos: "Enough, what's your point?"

Annihilus: "Your (Thanos) Universe expands, it expands titan,

it expands into the Negative Zone"

More PROOF:

Nova Corps: "OUR Universe (616) is expanding into the Universe Annihilus rules,

called, the NEGATIVE ZONE."

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No more talk of the Negative Zone being located in 616 please,
lest one be labeled a liar.

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On the Dormy arc: (AGAIN)

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It was the full blown MULTIVERSE they were dealing with

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"to melt All Creation into a Cosmic slag, and then mold it together again,

in my image ... Scream my name ... ALL the UniverseS will be doing the same"

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"As soon as Dormammu and I are done conquering the MULTIVERSE"

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"I will soon be lord of ALL UniverseS"

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"No Soul in ALL the MULTIVERSE can comprehend the Bliss,

that Dormammu feels"

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"I will erase you from existence ... and then ALL the MULTIVERSE will follow"

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Umar the New Multi-Eternity, says to Dormammu:

"My first action as a Supreme Being will be to blast your mind, body and soul,

into a Hundred Billion microscopic pieces,

and scatter you across Ten Thousand Universes"

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Umar tells Bruce Banner,

"You're worried about Your Reality ... (the 616 Universe)

I have NO interest in Your little corner of the Cosmos (the 616 Universe)

All I want is the power Dormammu stole from Eternity"

... ALL the UniverseS at our disposal"

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Now, with the power of the Infinite Multiverse within her,
Umar even makes it clear, she's not interested in the 616 Reality:

"Unlike my brother ... I have no interest in Your little Universe" (616)

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Bah, time to seal this coffin, this should do it:

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"It always comes down to conquering the Universe,

well ... MULTIVERSE in my case"

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(Dormammu actually differenciates the Two terms)

If this isn't cut and dry,

as you wish. 🙂

Well, so much for your examples of 616 Eternity or any other single Universe,

being labeled a Multiverse

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So now we see what this really meant: (spin aside)

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"Odd thing He had noticed about our Universe"

"Namely that it is Many-Layered

composed of a seemingly Endless Number of Dimensions,

indeed, it is a MULTIVERSE"

Beyonder passes by the Microverse.
(located in a Universe outside and separate from the 616 Reality)

The Dark Dimension is also outside of 616.

Beyonder even reaches the Cross Roads of Infinity located in the Negative Zone
(also located Way outside the 616 universe)

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So I proved the MICROVERSE is located OUTSIDE 616, completely separate.

I proved the NEGATIVE ZONE was located OUTISDE 616, completely separate.

Tomorrah I proved the Dark Dimension is also OUTISDE 616, completely separate.

(I'm tired, bed time) 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Oh you silly boy. Silly silly boy.

========== NEW SCANS of Marvel's OMNIVERSE ================

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Marvel Comics, yet AGAIN, depicting it's creations ON PANEL, as OMNIVERSAL in status,

litreally operating on an OMNIVERSAL scale!!! (Not just talk)

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This is the "Null Time Zone" ... the headquarters of the Time Variance Authority.

This construct is as large ... as the Omniverse itself: (PROVEN below)

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The TVA is the largest organization in the Omniverse.

Evidently, they can discontinue ANY Universe in the OMNIVERSE they wish:

"We're simply the largest organization in the KNOWN Omniverse,

This is the Hall of discontinued UniverseS,
leftover detritus is ejected through here into the nothingness beyond"

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When Reed actually asked How big the TVA is,
the TVA manager literally replied, as big as the OMNIVERSE itself!

WHY?

Because it covers all of Marvel ... which is an OMNIVERSE!!!

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We enter The "Hall of Chronometry"

"Where Time in the Omniverse is measured, charted,
recorded ... and ultimately judged"

Reed:

"The rows seem endless, how far do they actually extend?"

Mr Mobius answers:

"How large is the Omniverse? ...

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swank

Ohhhhh Mr Master.

I really hate doing this to you, but you really do bring this on yourself. ļ

The Microverse does exist outside of the main 616 dimension, but by the same token, there are alternate reality counterparts to it, to go along with the alternate main realities.

That¡¦s my point.

There isn¡¦t just one microverse. There are many alternate reality counterparts which have been featured in What Ifs

So Genis Vell saying he destroyed the Microverse, isn¡¦t proof that he destroyed the true multiverse.

He could have destroyed 616 and the Microverse most easily accessible from 616. ļ

Let Marvunapp take you on an exploration of the MANY Microverses and the alternate reality counterparts:

http://www.marvunapp.com/list/microver.htm#alt

Originally posted by Mr Master
This proves nothing, absolutely nothing.

And, let's keep silly diverged "What If" issues out of here please,
let's stick real comics shall we.

Again, the Dark Dimesnion (the Real one) is a full blown Universe OUTSide 616.

It shall be proven.

When talking of multiversal issues, What Ifs are essential Mr Master and very much relevant. You can’t dismiss them because they prove you wrong: 😬

Originally posted by Mr Master
Why? Cause you saw one in a "What if?" 😬

No where is it stated that "each of 616's counter-parts has a Dark Dimension."

Alternate Dormammus inhabiting alternate Dark Dimensions and appearing in the main alternate reality have been featured in both What Ifs and Guardians of the Galaxy which is an alternate future.

Guardians of the Galaxy:

“Korugar 31st century Sorcerer Supreme entering the Dark Dimension and comibg across an alternate future Dormammu:

What If V2 #37

So Beyonder looking at 616 and seeing that there’s a version of the Dark Dimension tied to it more closely than any other and the same with various other alternate Dark Dimensions and alternate realities could quite understandably deem 616 a multiverse.

The same stands for the Microverse.

There isn’t just one Microverse, or one Dark Dimension and each alternate one we have been shown has been shown to have more vested interest in the affairs of its version of the main reality.

That fits in perfectly with Dr Strange’s assessment of THE multiverse(singular) where he states that universes are dimensions and that 616 along with many other universes seem to be composed of more than one dimension, however all of these dimensions are grouped together as a cluster because of a “commonality of concepts”

Originally posted by Mr Master
On Panel > Bios.

Oh and 2006 Bio > 93 Bio and 83 bio.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's the LT's prime objective, but NOT his only one,
as clarified by Strange and by Kubik, amongst others.

LT's 2006 Bios also states that the LT manipulates MEGAVERSESSSSS!!!!

And each MEGAVERSE is a COLLECTION of MULTIVERSESSSS!!!!!

Dr Stranges assessment fits in exactly with Beyonders and on top of that in LT’s bios, ALL of LT’s bios state that LT is guardian of THE multiverse and that he surveys all of THE multiverse. The fact that in Dr Stranges assessment, it states blatantly that multiple dimensions, are deemed universes and yet they are clustered together because of common concepts, explains WHY there would be references to” multiverses” and just a multiverse when describing what LT’s role is.

Lt’s bio, ALL of his bios restrict his role to the multiverse, to work outside of his role he had the help of the Spectre, a being with a similar role in the Dc collection of realities. He never did it on his own, as stated on panel and in the bios. If he did then you’d have a point.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Captain Marvel arc is dealing with the actual full blown Prime MULTIVERSE!!!

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That WAS the infinite Multiverse Genis/Entropy erased:

"ENTROPY is the Son of,

[B]Eternity, the Cosmic Being whose Essence

Encompasses the ENTIRETY of the MULTIVERSE ...

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On Panel confirmation it was MORE than just 616:

"I could have let you faced Oblivion with the rest of the Microverse"

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If the MICROVERSE (located OUTSIDE 616) was erased too,
then it was The MUTLIVERSE!!!! that was erased ... NOT just 616.

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I’ve basically handled the Genis rebuttal. There isn’t a single Microverse. There are alternate reality Microverses.

Genis destroying the Microverse, does NOT mean he destroyed the proper multiverse, he could have just destroyed, 616 and the Microverse must closely connected to 616. The one Rick Jones is displaced to, the one Beyonder and other 616 characters have interacted with.

I’ve already shown that throughout the title Entropy and Genis talk of just destroying the universe:

“The universe will end eventually, but I tire of eventually. I’d put it and myself out of our misery now”

Even after the plan was enacted it was still stated that it was THE UNIVERSE that was destroyed:

He’s blaming himself for failing to kill you and save THE UNIVERSE

The fact that the Microverse is stated to have been destroyed in Genis’ destruction of the universe, shows you that it was the Microverse most closely linked to 616, therefore relating back to Beyonders statement that he believes 616 is really a type of multiverse where he actually highlighted the Microverse as one of the realms tied to 616 that made him think that:

that explains why the summary page described Eternity as a multiverse:

However in Eternity 616’s bio it refers to how JUST the universe was destroyed and eventually restored:

“Entropy was not satisfied with the destruction of the universe……Entropy became Eternity and restoredthe universe”

With regards to my posts regarding the Negative Zone, it’s the same story as the Dark Dimension.

By showing a scan of the Ultimate Universe having its own Negative Zone with its own version of Annihilus, I have shown that while the Negative Zone is a separate dimension to the main reality, it is closely connected to the main reality.

There isn’t just one Negative Zone, I have shown that it is closely connected to the main reality in more than one reality. And this relates back to Beyonders point where he marked out the close connection between the Negative Zone and Earth as one of the reasons why he deemed 616.

It also relates back to Stranges assessment that separate dimensions are clustered together due to common concepts. We have seen in 616 comics that Annihilus and the denizens of that Negative Zone have vested interests in 616, because it is so closely connected to 616 that 616’s expansion, reduces the scope of the Negative Zone.

In the Ultimate Universe, that version of the Negative Zone is like an older brother to the Ultimate Verse. It is suffering from heat death, so Annihilus attempts to invade it:

Once again, these separate dimensions are closely tied with the main alternate realities and the characters within are shown having vested interests within the main alternate reality as opposed to any other.

With regards to the recent-ish Defenders mini, Dormammu usurped Eternity 616’s power and within Eternity 616 he saw multiple dimensions, whole other universes:

In Defenders, whilst Dormammu TALKED of being able to conquer the multiverse with the power he had stolen, he had only usurped the power of 616 and he had only warped the 616 reality into his own:

Hence Umar saying to Hulk, “You’re worried about your reality…I have absolutely no interest in your pathetic little corner of the cosmos……In fact my idiot brothers preoccupation with you and your kind has baffled me for eons……all the worlds, all the universes at out our disposal and he picks the biggest slum in creation”

Dormammu usurped 616 Eternitys power and with the power of a whole universe he could have gone on to conquer any other reality of the multiverse and eventually conquer it all, but ALL he did was warp the reality of 616.

Eternity 616’s bio:

“Recently, Dormammu won a battle with Eternity and washed himself with some of Eternitys blood, granting him the power to control reality”

So to sum up the Defenders issue, Dormammu stole 616’s power and with that he declared he could conquer all other realities of the multiverse. However it was JUST 616 Eternitys power he stole and when merging with 616 Eternity he saw he was composed of whole other universes, which fits in with both Beyonder and Stranges assessments that what we refer to as universes are more often than not a cluster of dimensions grouped together because they share common concepts and are closely tied to each other.

When are you going to understand, Marvel has stated point blank, that their realities on their own do NOT make up the omniverse.

So posting an early 90's scan of the TVA talking about how they watch the omniverse doesn't mean that Marvel has its own omniverse. Thats not the same thing i'm afraid. 😬