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Beyonder passes by the MICROVERSE in his journey through the MULTIVERSE:
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The Captain Marvel arc is dealing with the actual full blown Prime MULTIVERSE!!!
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That WAS the infinite Multiverse Genis/Entropy erased:
"ENTROPY is the Son of,
Eternity, the Cosmic Being whose Essence
Encompasses the ENTIRETY of the MULTIVERSE ...
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On Panel confirmation it was MORE than just 616:
"I could have let you faced Oblivion with the rest of the Microverse"
......................................................................................
If the MICROVERSE (located OUTSIDE 616) was erased too,
then it was The MUTLIVERSE!!!! that was erased ... NOT just 616.
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PROOF ...
The MICROVERSE is an entire Universe RE-CREATED by the MAKERS.
completely and totality separated and located OUTSIDE the 616 Reality:
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The Microverse is IN an entirely separate Universe Outside the 616 Reality/Universe:
Here's Rick talking from withIN the 616 Reality:
"Bang the bands, get me back to MY Universe ... the MICROVERSE"
Now here's Rick talking with some creature from withIN the Microverse,
about Genis who's withIN 616:
Captain Marvel, whose exploits HERE in what you call the MICROVERSE,
are unknown to me,
except he (Genis) is presently OUT in your Universe while you remain HERE"
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More Proof:
The MAKERS took a UNIVERSE and RE-CREATED it,
the Micro-verse (which they ALSO Created) is PART of this Universe.
"They have taken the FABRIC of the COSMOS, and WOVEN it ANEW"
The MAKERS brought Souls from all the UniverseS of the MUTLI-VERSE
into this UNIVERSE they RE-CREATED, to give it meaning:
More proof
They RESHAPED a UNIVERSE, in their OWN,
and a section of that Universe was the ONE and ONLY MICRO-VERSE,
which they also created:
"They Remade the STARS, the PLANETS, the GALAXIES"
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So if we KNOW the Microverse is part of a Universe separate from the 616 Universe/Reality,
then we know what this means:
"I could have let you faced Oblivion with the rest of the MICROVERSE"
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If the Universe the MAKERS re-created (Outside of 616) was erased,
then the "Backside of the Front Cover" wasn't hyperboling,
and indeed, the Multiverse was destroyed.
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Pino please, enough with the spins .. you're getting us all dizzy.
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The NEGATIVE ZONE is a Universe OUTSIDE and completely separate from 616:
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The Negative Zone is located OUTSIDE the 616 Reality, completely separated,
in fact,
that's what the Annihilation arc was all about,
the 616 Universe was expanding into the Negative Zone:
If you'd like this is from ... BACK in the DAY:
"A New Universe,
which can be reached through the NEGATIVE ZONE -
the CROSSROADS of INFINITY"
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Through the NEGATIVE ZONE, you can reach MANY UNIVERSES:
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"a LIGHTLESS UNIVERSE!....You SEE? Now we shift to a SECOND one!"
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"we're right on the edge of ALL REALITIES"
According to GS, this is just 616. 😂
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"Before us lies our Final UNIVERSE"
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Or .. if you prefer GS,
we can use more recent depictions of the NEGATIVE ZONE
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From the Annihilation arc:
AGAIN!!!!
The Negative Zone is located OUTSIDE the 616 Reality, completely separated,
in fact,
that's what the Annihilation arc was all about,
the 616 Universe was expanding into the Negative Zone:
PROOF:
Annihilus: "What do you know of the Negative Zone titan"
Thanos: "The Negative Zone is of little interest to me"
Annihilus: "How much do you of THIS (616) Universe then?"
Thanos: "Enough, what's your point?"
Annihilus: "Your (Thanos) Universe expands, it expands titan,
it expands into the Negative Zone"
More PROOF:
Nova Corps: "OUR Universe (616) is expanding into the Universe Annihilus rules,
called, the NEGATIVE ZONE."
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No more talk of the Negative Zone being located in 616 please,
lest one be labeled a liar.
Dont live up to our expectations, to your reputation for once dude,
be a real dog,
and admit the Beyonder was traveling throught the actual MULTIVERSE,
not some bull concocted fantasy you completely MADe up just to win.
Jeesh.
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So now we see what this really meant: (fantasies aside)
...................................................................................
"Odd thing He had noticed about our Universe"
"Namely that it is Many-Layered
composed of a seemingly Endless Number of Dimensions,
indeed, it is a MULTIVERSE"
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Beyonder passes by the Microverse.
(located in a Universe outside and separate from the 616 Reality)
Beyonder even reaches the Cross Roads of Infinity located in the Negative Zone
(also located Way outside the 616 universe)
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So I proved the MICROVERSE is located OUTSIDE 616, completely separate.
I proved the NEGATIVE ZONE was located OUTISDE 616, completely separate.
stoned
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
When talking of multiversal issues, What Ifs are essential Mr Master and very much relevant. You can’t dismiss them because they prove you wrong: 😬
You have to have learned by now: as far as Mr Master is concerned, only the comics and panels which he thinks support his view are valid, any that don't support him are "not real comics". Only his interpretation of what is said in a panel is valid. Anyone who says they can be read another way is derided and called names, because that is Mr Masters debating level. When a site agrees with what he thinks, it is a valid site. If the site does not agree, or used to agree but changed, then suddenly it is an invalid site, EVEN WHEN it is Marvel's own site and the person who changed it is one of Marvel's own writers.
And of course, true debating skill depends on massive use of smileys to show you are laughing at the other person, rather than actually, y'know, debating.
😆 💃 😱 🙄
Not one scan in this whole thread states "marvel has its own omniverse"..not one single panel of repetitive scans-none, and showing references to omniverse in marvel comics does not make it theirs...things like"protectors of the omniverse" "threatened the omniverse" are not direct statements that make it marvels own
A 2005 definition of omniverse from an official marvel handbook of Alternate Universes states that marvel shares its omniverse with other companies
http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?...tsamuraids2.jpg
Every hanbook entry after is not as thorough, but states -all reality
http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omni2mz6.jpg
So has marvel changed its stance since 2005? i am to believe that in 2005 marvel stated they share a omniverse with all other companies, and in 2006 till now they changed their stance...? it looks to me that they state ALL REALITY
Crossovers have been shown as proof more that once in this thread, and in the hanbooks those crossovers have been mentioned
A marvel site has updated their definition of the omniverse-
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Marvel_Universe
And it states marvel shares an omniverse, the writer of the hanbook is the one who updated the site, he has seen this thread and posters who are members of both sites brang it to his attention-yet this person was insulted twice in this thread-shamefull really
http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums...age=1&pp=20
Really whats to debate.... there are facts here that have not been shown to be false, no amount of scans or smiles will effect that, all we need to do is understand there is only one omniverse...no one company owns it, nor does one company ever say they have there own
Originally posted by Mr MasterUPDATED!!!!!
This is from the Glossary of Terms of Winter 2007
Definition of the Omniverse:
"Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"
======= CREATED by TOAA =========
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On Panel ... coincidentally,
Brian protects the SAME exact definition/Omniverse above: (that TOAA CREATED)
..................................................................................................... [/B]
What about your updated definitions? where it says "Believed to be" and yet you leave it out and state
----- CREATED BY TOAA------
Why leave that out of so many of your post? is it to win this debate, to purposely mislead onlookers? or is it a concocted fantasy?
And we are to trust your interpretations of scans? especially the ones where you put your own words near or around the scans
Originally posted by Kerr Avon
What ifs ARE 616's counterparts.
The handbooks have numbered them like every other reality.
Does that prove that the Dark Dimension is not a Universe OUTSIDE/Separate from 616?
It does not.
What do you think "What if's" are homie?
Fake copies of actual realities,
so if we see the Dark Dimension in a "What if" ...
it's simply just another fake copy of the original.
During the "What if Inferno" arc,
Sym and Madelyne were about to conquer the Multiverse:
"ALSO prevents us from attaining out Ultimate Goal,
the EXTENSION of LIMBO to ALL the PLANES of the MULTI-VERSE,
Richard's and Doom's MACHINE will MAGNIFY the Limbo Effect
without opening us to OUTER Dimensional attack"
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So if you were under the impression that "What if's" are bound to 616,
well, you were mis-informed.
Originally posted by Kerr Avon
You have to have learned by now: as far as Mr Master is concerned,
only the comics and panels which he thinks support his view are valid,
any that don't support him are "not real comics".
I expect nothing else from a dude who has 15 lifetime PostS in KMC,
and ALL of them are in this thread, disagreeing with me.
There's no suspicion here, it's blatantly obvious what you are.
Originally posted by Kerr Avon
Only his interpretation of what is said in a panel is valid.
Anyone who says they can be read another way is derided and called names, because that is Mr Masters debating level.
What we do know, is that you joined this forum less than TWO weeks ago,
and you're here popping garbage like you know anything about me, 😂
oh, and you've only posted 15 times,
and ALL your postS have one objective, disagree with Mr Master at all costs.
Originally posted by Kerr Avon
When a site agrees with what he thinks, it is a valid site.
If the site does not agree, or used to agree but changed,
then suddenly it is an invalid site,
EVEN WHEN it is Marvel's own site
and the person who changed it is one of Marvel's own writers.
I disavowed Martvel.com concerning definitions after I found this:
...................................................................................
Terms and Conditions at Marvel.com
http://www.marvel.com/company/index.htm?sub=terms_current.htm
...................................................................................
Right to Monitor and Editorial Control.
"Marvel reserves the right, but does not have an obligation,
to monitor and/or review all materials posted to the Web Site
or through the Web Site’s services or features by users,
and Marvel is not responsible for any such materials posted by users."
...................................................................................
But how would you know, when your agenda keeps within a one track mind.
Originally posted by Kerr Avon
And of course, true debating skill depends on massive use of smileys to show you are laughing at the other person, rather than actually, y'know, debating.
This proves you're a sock.
You only point out my smilies, as if GS hasn't included smilieS in ALL his postS.
Jeesh, you're obvious.
Originally posted by Kerr Avon
See what I mean about debating skills?
Yea, you're quick to back up Pino on the Dark Dimension tip,
but you completely overlook the fact
he got caught trying to place the Microverse and Negative Zone withIN 616,
in order to try and make a case,
for 616 being a Multiverse through the Beyonder scan.
Even AFTER I posted the scans from Annihilation (2007 arc)
where the ENTIRE Story was about the 616 expanding into the Negative Zone,
Annihilus's Universe (located OUTSIDE 616)
In fact, the TWO UniverseS (616 and the Negative Zone)
were separated by the CRUNCH.
Let's ignore that ey Sta ... I mean Kerr.
Originally posted by starlock
Learn some manners, use his right name or dont use it at all
I dont believe you know him well enough nor do you respect him,
so your better off getting it right
😆
Btw, I'll do what I wish with ol' Stuey's name.
You're better off trying to make your doggy at home listen to you,
then trying to tell me what to do.
Originally posted by starlock
What about your updated definitions? where it says "Believed to be" and yet you leave it out and state
----- CREATED BY TOAA------Why leave that out of so many of your post? is it to win this debate,
to purposely mislead onlookers? or is it a concocted fantasy?
I love the way you pull the one post where I left it out,
from the SAME page I included it. 😂
I INVITE everyone and anyone to go through this ENTIRE Thread,
and tell me I left out "Believed to be" on a page where I posted this scan:
....................................................................................
2. TOAA
1. "Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"
2. The entity believed to be the Supreme being/Creator of the Omniverse"
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I CHALLENGE anyone to prove this clown right.
Originally posted by starlock
And we are to trust your interpretations of scans?
especially the ones where you put your own words near or around the scans
But now, you reached an all time low.
Meticulously picking a Post that I happened to leave that out,
when on the SAME freakin Page,
I repeated the entire scan more than twice.
You're a deceptive lying individual.
(I gots NO respect for you whatsoever, now and forever)
I don't want any truce with you, I don't want anything to do with you ever.
You're blacklisted as far as I'm concerned, for this flagrant LIE
you just attempted to perpetrate about me.
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You finally earned your spot in my IGNORE List Ker .. I mean Starlock. 👆
Mr Master
"I INVITE everyone and anyone to go through this ENTIRE Thread,
and tell me I left out "Believed to be" on a page where I posted this scan:"
I will do better, how about these, now you like to put the scans out there and re-post them, that not my fault
You also like to use your own words in or around the scans...misleading? its not good enough to let the scans speak for themselves?
pg 9
Mr Master
"Meh, and like the Winter (2007) Official Marvel Handbooks (Glossary of Terms)
clearly confirms,
it was Marvel's TOAA that CREATED This Omniverse containing infinite MULTIverseS"
PG 10
MrMaster
"Meh, and like the Winter (2007) Official Marvel Handbooks (Glossary of Terms)
clearly confirms,
it was Marvel's TOAA that CREATED This Omniverse containing infinite MULTIverseS"
pg 11
Mr Master
"Meh, and like the Winter (2007) Official Marvel Handbooks (Glossary of Terms)
clearly confirms,
it was Marvel's TOAA that CREATED This Omniverse containing infinite MULTIverseS"
Pg 12
Mr Master
"Meh, and like the Winter (2007) Official Marvel Handbooks (Glossary of Terms)
clearly confirms,
it was Marvel's TOAA that CREATED This Omniverse containing infinite MULTIverseS"
Pg 15
Mr Master
"Meh, and like the Winter (2007) Official Marvel Handbooks (Glossary of Terms)
clearly confirms,
it was Marvel's TOAA that CREATED This Omniverse containing infinite MULTIverseS"
Pg 19
Mr Master
"This is from the Glossary of Terms of Winter 2007
Definition of the Omniverse:
"Group of alternate universeS which encompasses ALL Reality"
======= CREATED by TOAA =========
On Panel ... coincidentally,
Brian protects the SAME exact definition/Omniverse above: (that TOAA CREATED)"
Pg 19
Mr Master
"This is the Official Glossary of Terms of Winter 2007.
You missed the entry right below - "All Reality"
... The CREATOR of "All that Reality" ---- TOAA (Marvel's Supreme Being)"
Pg 24
Mr Master
"In the Winter 2007 Bios ... TOAA CREATED the Omniverse.
The entity believed to be the Supreme being/Creator of the Omniverse"
Now why state TOAA created the omniverse when as you point out after.....its the entity believed to be? Do you lie? mislead? or just make alot of mistakes? Its not good enough that the actual scans are there, the facts are you are making this up.
Originally posted by Mr Master
And? ... What does that prove?Does that prove that the Dark Dimension is not a Universe OUTSIDE/Separate from 616?
It does not.
What do you think "What if's" are homie?
Fake copies of actual realities,
so if we see the Dark Dimension in a "What if" ...
it's simply just another fake copy of the original.
Sorry, What Ifs show actual alternate realities, not "fake" ones. See the story where 616 Quasar pursued 616 Living Laser through various realities, acknowledged in both Quasar's own title and in What If.
Originally posted by Mr Master So if you were under the impression that "What if's" are bound to 616,
well, you were mis-informed.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I expect nothing else from a dude who has 15 lifetime PostS in KMC,
and ALL of them are in this thread, disagreeing with me.There's no suspicion here, it's blatantly obvious what you are.
You can be as paranoid as you like and fool yourself if you really want to believe I am Starlock or any other poster on this forum using a second identity. I'm not, but since you have shown you have a closed mind, I won't waste more of my time trying to convince you otherwise.
Originally posted by Mr Master
What we do know, is that you joined this forum less than TWO weeks ago,
and you're here popping garbage like you know anything about me, 😂
oh, and you've only posted 15 times,
and ALL your postS have one objective, disagree with Mr Master at all costs.
I joined because I found this thread interesting, and if you don't like it that I disagree with you, well, that's tough. Its only your apparent paranoia that makes you insist there's got to be deception and ulterior motives behind my posts.
Originally posted by Mr MasterI disavowed Martvel.com concerning definitions after I found this:
...................................................................................
Terms and Conditions at Marvel.com
http://www.marvel.com/company/index.htm?sub=terms_current.htm
...................................................................................[B]Right to Monitor and Editorial Control.
"Marvel reserves the right, but does not have an obligation,
to monitor and/or review all materials posted to the Web Site
or through the Web Site’s services or features by users,
and Marvel is not responsible for any such materials posted by users."
I love how you insisted I was lying when I tried to tell you Marvel was a wiki, ignoring the mutiple places it clearly stated that fact, but the second their site disagreed with you, you went off and hunted down this.
Trouble is, the bit that got altered to disagree with you got changed by a handbook writer - you can check the history on Marvel.com to see that, so unless you also allege that Marvel allowed someone other than the handbook writer to join their site using the handbook writers name, that information is what the handbooks are saying is the case. Marvel is part of an omniverse that includes DC.
Originally posted by Mr Master
But how would you know, when your agenda keeps within a one track mind.Ahh, shut up.
Great debating skills. 😛
Originally posted by Mr Master This proves you're a sock.You only point out my smilies, as if GS hasn't included smilieS in ALL his postS.
Jeesh, you're obvious.
Other people use smilies, but not to the extent you do. They debate their points and add in the occasional smilie. Half the time you use the smilies instead of debating. You use insults and name calling. That's just plain childish.
Originally posted by Mr MasterYea, you're quick to back up Pino on the Dark Dimension tip,
but you completely overlook the fact
he got caught trying to place the Microverse and Negative Zone withIN 616,
in order to try and make a case,
for 616 being a Multiverse through the Beyonder scan.
Even AFTER I posted the scans from Annihilation (2007 arc)
where the ENTIRE Story was about the 616 expanding into the Negative Zone,
Annihilus's Universe (located OUTSIDE 616)
We've seen an Ultimate universe version of the Negative Zone. We've seen an Age of Apocalypse version of the Negative Zone. We've seen alternate universe versions of the Negative Zone in various What Ifs. So if the Negative Zone we usually see isn't in 616, it is definitely associated with it, just as their are specific versions of the Negative Zone associated with other numbered realities.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Let's ignore that ey Sta ... I mean Kerr. [/B]
Sorry, I'm not Starlock. Just another thing you have wrong.
