What great protection those Orbalisks are...*spoilers for Rule of two*

Originally posted by Blue_Hefner
What's so great about Revan's lightning again?

It is same type of lightning that Bane performed in the begining with raising his hands above his head and blasting the crap out of the mercs. And it would seem that Bane learned this maneuver from Revan's holocron.

@Gahlaktus Bane's lighting seemed to reduce the victims o char or ash. (I would have to reread that particular area. )And I was not stating that Bane's lightning is greater than an amulet blast. But it rivals it in a efficiency vs a single person not in sheer magnitude which it below an amulet blast but it is certainly deadly if Bane can land a hit direct hit on any powerful force user. Personally I would it is the weakest of the four attacks but it is not a great deal off.

Also of note it would seem that Drew has his own website(not sure if is legit but I have yet to seen anything to suggest otherwise) and he says that battle between Rev,Bane or Vader could anyway on any given day.

http://www.drewkarpyshyn.com/faq.htm

Originally posted by Darth Hord
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but it is certainly deadly if Bane can land a hit direct hit on any powerful force user. Personally I would it is the weakest of the four attacks but it is not a great deal off.
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Originally posted by Darth Hord
It is same type of lightning that Bane performed in the begining with raising his hands above his head and blasting the crap out of the mercs. And it would seem that Bane learned this maneuver from Revan's holocron.

You mean Force Storm? That's not that great.

Bane learned Revan's force storm and basically instakilled each person he set the lightning upon. As for being one of the greatest lightsaber duelists ever, I have to agree. He has shown more with a blade than the likes of Exar Kun. He would undoubtedly give Mace or Yoda or Sidious a fight, but I'm not sure if he'd win those.

While I was reading about Bane in his orbalisk armor fighting Zannah after the failed "betrayal" I could picture him saying "Don't you know who I am? I'm the juggernaut *****! That's what I felt Drew was doing making Bane be a mix of the Hulk and the Juggernaut in his orbalisk armor.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Bane learned Revan's force storm and basically instakilled each person he set the lightning upon. As for being one of the greatest lightsaber duelists ever, I have to agree. He has shown more with a blade than the likes of Exar Kun. He would undoubtedly give Mace or Yoda or Sidious a fight, but I'm not sure if he'd win those.

Right now I would have to say that Kun loses a very hard battle in sabers to Bane and I tend to lean towards Kun though in the force but that would be a hard fight too. As for DE Sidious I would have to say that Bane has a better shot to beat Sidious a saber's duel than a force duel but I he still goes down in a sabers after giving Sidious a tough duel.

Originally posted by Darth Hord
Right now I would have to say that Kun loses a very hard battle in sabers to Bane and I tend to lean towards Kun though in the force but that would be a hard fight too. As for DE Sidious I would have to say that Bane has a better shot to beat Sidious a saber's duel than a force duel but I he still goes down in a sabers after giving Sidious a tough duel.

And how the hell can he give sidious a tough duel when sidious was described to be able to move faster than the eye can see continuously as opposed to bane whom could only do the same for a split second? Along with the fact that sidious possibly combines ataru and juyo which follows a sequence bane has never memorised? Oh yes and the fact that a rusty skilled palpatine in ROTS was able to dispatch "3 of the orders greatest swordsman in an era where the jedi are at their peak". I combined one quote with george lucas quote of "prime of the jedi".

Now i would like to see a crystal clear anakin vs bane is pure saber duel.

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Well in fairness to Bane he did have to face 2 and at one point 3 jedi aided by battle meditation and they were not gaining much ground on him. I wouldn't say Kun's form is completely alien as in it wouldn't be his first time facing someone with a double bladed lightsaber. As he did face Kaism on Lehon and he does have an understanding for the double bladed saber as Kasim told why he uses it during his secret sessions with Bane. I would say not many people know this.

I do think Bane could can give a DE Sidious a moderately tough fight as in Sidious can't win with his eyes close but he still wont be in any desperate situations or anything of the sort. And his armor does give him protection. Raska's 2 blades were moving faster than they eye could see and she did land about 6 blows to his chest but his armor did protect him. So he does have some protection from Sidious initially and his best chance would be at the begining of duel but once Sidious recognizes this he would would get to Bane's head. And Bane loses to Sidious in the force since he is vulnerable to lightning.

Wow....you guys need to calm down. There's WAY too much bashing in this thread....

BTW: So, I see nothing's changed. Some ppl. like the book, others hate it. I'll probably be part of the former....

Originally posted by Melcórë
Wow....you guys need to calm down. There's WAY too much bashing in this thread....

BTW: So, I see nothing's changed. Some ppl. like the book, others hate it. I'll probably be part of the former....

I don't think there is really any bashing going on here. And I know Gahlaktus isn't trying to bash me or sexy. He is just stating his opinion. I know I have not said anything negative to him.

I personally enjoyed the novel as a whole but the ending could have be done better. Then there were a few others things here and there I thought was off. Such as Zannah going into the temple and impersonating a jedi and pulling it off seemed a bit odd to me.

Originally posted by GahLakTus
So your saying he would beat exar kun and may be able to beat DE sidious? Wow drew has written even more shit.

Yes, I think he would beat Kun. No I don't think he could beat Mace, Yoda, or any incarnation of Sidious. No I don't think he could beat Luke. I would put Jacen Solo in that category but the authors completely messed him up so he goes on my "accident" list, along with Nihilus.

Originally posted by Darth Hord
Right now I would have to say that Kun loses a very hard battle in sabers to Bane and I tend to lean towards Kun though in the force but that would be a hard fight too. As for DE Sidious I would have to say that Bane has a better shot to beat Sidious a saber's duel than a force duel but I he still goes down in a sabers after giving Sidious a tough duel.

Bane has no chance to beat DE Sidious. I don't think anybody in the SW universe could beat him, with the exception of Luke, and even that one can go either way.

Originally posted by GahLakTus
You have got to be kidding. Firstly how is bane going to contend when kun employs a lightsaber form completely alien to bane when the fact is he gets owned every time his opponent uses a form he has never seen before?

And how the hell can he give sidious a tough duel when sidious was described to be able to move faster than the eye can see continuously as opposed to bane whom could only do the same for a split second? Along with the fact that sidious possibly combines ataru and juyo which follows a sequence bane has never memorised? Oh yes and the fact that a rusty skilled palpatine in ROTS was able to dispatch "3 of the orders greatest swordsman in an era where the jedi are at their peak". I combined one quote with george lucas quote of "prime of the jedi".

Now i would like to see a crystal clear anakin vs bane is pure saber duel. [/B]

Why? I'm referring to him curbstomping Anakin.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Exactly how has Bane NOT seen this form before, considering the fact that Zannah's lightsaber is built with the exact modifications of Kun?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy

Bane fought off 3 Jedi Masters who were under Battle Meditation. He is a BEAST in saber combat, this is fact. Now could he defeat Sidious? I doubt it.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy

I think bane would curbstomp Anakin in a pure lightsaber duel.

And he tooled dooku be merely deciding to win in his right frame of mind where he thoughts are "crystal clear" or more famously known as "the zone".

Originally posted by Darth Hord
Well in fairness to Bane he did have to face 2 and at one point 3 jedi aided by battle meditation and they were not gaining much ground on him.

Originally posted by Darth Hord

I wouldn't say Kun's form is completely alien as in it wouldn't be his first time facing someone with a double bladed lightsaber.

Originally posted by Darth Hord

As he did face Kaism on Lehon and he does have an understanding for the double bladed saber as Kasim told why he uses it during his secret sessions with Bane. I would say not many people know this.

Originally posted by Darth Hord

I do think Bane could can give a DE Sidious a moderately tough fight

Originally posted by Darth Hord

as in Sidious can't win with his eyes close but he still wont be in any desperate situations or anything of the sort. And his armor does give him protection. Raska's 2 blades were moving faster than they eye could see and she did land about 6 blows to his chest but his armor did protect him. So he does have some protection from Sidious initially and his best chance would be at the begining of duel but once Sidious recognizes this he would would get to Bane's head. And Bane loses to Sidious in the force since he is vulnerable to lightning.

Originally posted by GahLakTus
Can you prove zannah uses the same exact form as exar kun whom you yourself has stated to be an unknown form?

And just how powerful were the jedi of that time? All i recall was jedi and sith of that era getting easily killed by children who swung lightsabers like monkeys. But yes, ill agree that feat is indeed impressive, but the fact those 3 jedi are inferior to the ones sidious easily dispatched despite being out of practise for 13 years.

Curbstomp? Are you serious? Anakin by merely "deciding" to win made dookus knowledge of the force, dookus skills and mastery a "joke" and dooku has been described as one of the most respected and powerful Jedi in the Order's twenty-five-thousand-year history" and "a great Jedi Master, now an even greater Lord of the Sith".

And he tooled dooku be merely deciding to win in his right frame of mind where he thoughts are "crystal clear" or more famously known as "the zone".

And how skillful were those jedi? Could they compare to the "jedi at their prime" which are the PT jedi? He simply saw a set of sequences which he can counter, That is NOT a defination of skill ,hell even kasim the so called greatest lightsaber duelist up till that time told him NOT to rely on memorising sequences

It is seeing the fact that exar kuns saber stance does not match any of the 7 styles of lightsaber combat, and since when kasim, zannah and kun used the same form?

I don't seeing sidious could move as if he was invisible and the fact he combines lightsaber forms which do not follow a sequence that bane remembers and the fact that nick gillard has stated that palpatine can constantly switch forms which according to kyle can completely throw an opponent of guard, ESPECIALLY when palpatine changes to a form which bane does not recognise.
And palpatine knows everything about dark side artifacts, do you think he wouldn't know lightning would annihilate orbalisks? Or the fact that sidious could aim for his head seeing his armour is lightsaber resustant? [/B]

Originally posted by GahLakTus
And how skillful were those jedi? Could they compare to the "jedi at their prime" which are the PT jedi? He simply saw a set of sequences which he can counter, That is NOT a defination of skill ,hell even kasim the so called greatest lightsaber duelist up till that time told him NOT to rely on memorising sequences

Johun was a pretty bad however he did find out that Bane's hands were not covered which was another target for the jedi
Raska was an echani and had a muscles and a great physique. she had great martial art skill,she was a jedi weapons master,she used to blades and the narrator says she had killed as many sith as the thought bomb killed. So I would say she is a very proficient fighter (moving faster than they eye can see) and easily one of the best if not the best (saberwise) of the jedi order at the time.
Farfalla was the leader of the army of light after Hoth's death and was in many battle during the war and proved to Hoth and those who served him that he was not a prancing fool like they had originally thought. And they were also aided by battle meditation so that was another advantage against Bane.

It is seeing the fact that exar kuns saber stance does not match any of the 7 styles of lightsaber combat, and since when kasim, zannah and kun used the same form?

I don't seeing sidious could move as if he was invisible and the fact he combines lightsaber forms which do not follow a sequence that bane remembers and the fact that nick gillard has stated that palpatine can constantly switch forms which according to kyle can completely throw an opponent of guard, ESPECIALLY when palpatine changes to a form which bane does not recognise.
And palpatine knows everything about dark side artifacts, do you think he wouldn't know lightning would annihilate orbalisks? Or the fact that sidious could aim for his head seeing his armour is lightsaber resustant?

As far as the orbalisk goes I think it is very possible for Sidious to know about them. But as in the RO2 Bane did wore some clothes over the orbalisk so I would say it is not impossible he couldn't do the same which would mean his best chance would be at the start if Sidios doesn't recognize this. (And for the record I originally stated this if it was a sabers only battle as I said he would lose fairly quickly to lightning) But then again if it is very possible that Sidious could recognize him as Bane and know about the armor. It is a long shot but it is the best shot Bane has though odds are very very slim.

I don't even know why this is such a big deal that Bane is now legitimately an upper tier sith in the same league as Revan and Kun. He been in saber fights with some of the best of his time. It could go either way with Kun but I would have to say Bane beats Kun do his orbalisks.(straight up saber duel)

I tell you what DS, im pretty tired of argueing here so i likely won't respond to your next rebuttal, i plan to stop debating here seeing not that many users are on as before and the fact that we are argueing the same thing over and over, ill wait for new content to come then maybe ill come back. This will be my last post here.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
What other form is there when her saber is identical to Exar Kun's? She twirls that thing around like a baton, just like Kun did. And Kun didn't invent the weapon.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy

Well, you had Farfalla and some jedi who was supposed to be uber with a saber like Kas'im, and she was moving faster than the eye could see. Bane fought off 3 at the same time.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy

You know, you throwing out that random quote doesn't do anything for a debate.

"The Rebels were turning out to be more troublesome than many had expected. The Emperor had known it would be thus, of course; the resistance had not been a surprise to him. The Emperor was completely in concert with the dark side of the Force. He was the most powerful Sith to have ever existed."
-- Death Star, page 76.

"...Yoda could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history."
-- The New Essential Chronology,

"Beyond the vision of the Jedi Knights, somewhere within the darkness, the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power bides his time. As his strength grows, his plans begin to shape the course of the galaxy, and his snares await the unsuspecting."
-- The Complete Visual Dictionary, page 72.

It means nothing here. Bane's force mastery is beyond Dooku's. I'd even argue his saber dueling abilities when guided by the force, are superior to Dooku's as well. Add in the fact that he has orbalisks that give him roid rage, and Anakin doesn't stand much chance.

Page 109 from the Dark Empire sourcebook:

"Palpatine has risen from the dead. The most powerful Sith Lord who ever lived had returned."

Empire's End, one of the Sith spirits: "He gave up everything to the Dark Side long ago. He has become the greatest who ever lived. He is the strongest who ever lived....I say we give what he wishes."

Star Wars Insider, Kevin J. Anderson, upon asked if he ever intended his Sith to be stronger than the OT sith: "No. Exar Kun, Naga Sadow and the others are on a firmly lower tier than Emperor Palpatine."

On TFN.net, official response to the strongest Sith: "Palpatine at his peak."

Essential Chronology: "the most powerful Sith who had ever lived, Emperor Palpatine had returned from the grave."[/i]

considering the fact these quotes are always used in a debate to prove palpatines superiority to just about every other sith lord.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy

So?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy

Bane fought off 2 Jedi Masters and a Padawan, whose abilities were all enhanced by Battle Meditation. And this is not even mentioning the fact that his force wave and force lightning could wtfpwn anyone it hits.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy

Btw what's Sidious' force lightning going to do? It was absorbed by Yoda and reflected back by Mace. What's to stop Bane from doing the same? Unless of course it's too strong for him...

This point is moot sexy, i suggest you don't being this up seeing sidious has a force resistance and defence far higher than anybody in the pod and ro2 era.