Originally posted by BaneLover
WTF? You... do realise that it was the Sith that were generating the lightning, right? Bane was the only one absorbing the lightning, the rest were powering their own lightning through him, which is exactly what was connecting them together. Your counter makes no sense whatsoever.
The Brotherhood slipped deeper into the collective trance, barely even aware of the storm now raging about their physical selves. Bane stood at the eye of the storm, drawing the bolts of lightning into himself, feeding on them. He felt his strength surge as he channeled and focused the dark side from the others.This is how it should be! All the power of the Brotherhood in one body! The only way to unleash the full potential of the dark side!"Do you feel invincible? Invulnerable? Immortal?"He had to shout to be heard above the howling wind and thunder. Sith. A web of lightning spiraled out from his body, connecting him to each of the other Sith
Bane absorbed it originally yes, but then as the last line says A web of lightning spiraled out from his body, connecting him to each of the other Sith.
Lol. OK, I'll be honest here; I haven't actually read the book. I even pre-ordered it and everything, but dumbass Amazon ran out of stock fast. I just figured that given what Avis had been saying, that people were simply claiming that the orbalisks were weak against lightning just because Bane's own lightning was able to destroy them - which, if that were the case, would be totally illogical.
I agree that Bane can block lightning with a lightsaber but to say that only his lightning or a needle in a whole could kill the orbalisk is just stupid(which is what it seemed that Avis was implying) or that any other sith/jedi couldn't generate lightning to a degree to harm. The end of the da it comes down Bane can block lightning with a saber but if it hits him he stands a very good chance to die.
Originally posted by Elite Hunter
The Brotherhood slipped deeper into the collective trance, barely even aware of the storm now raging about their physical selves. Bane stood at the eye of the storm, drawing the bolts of lightning into himself, feeding on them. He felt his strength surge as he channeled and focused the dark side from the others.This is how it should be! All the power of the Brotherhood in one body! The only way to unleash the full potential of the dark side!"Do you feel invincible? Invulnerable? Immortal?"He had to shout to be heard above the howling wind and thunder. Sith. A web of lightning spiraled out from his body, connecting him to each of the other SithBane absorbed it originally yes, but then as the last line says A web of lightning spiraled out from his body, connecting him to each of the other Sith.
Taken directly from dictionary.reference.kom/browse/spiral (Replace the "kom" with "com."😉:
"To take a spiral form or course."
Now if we were to take the definition "to take a spiral form" and treated the sentence as a visual description rather than a description of what's actually happening, than all that the statement is saying is that the lightning joined to both the Sith Lords and Bane took the form of a spiral. Simply saying that it "spiralled out from Bane's body," in that context, wouldn't actually mean that it was being generated from Bane's body and being transferred to the other Sith Lords (that would only be the case if the sentence was describing what was happening rather than what the scene looked like), but that the narrator is using Bane as a starting point for the visual description, and then visually describing the form that the lightning took in relation to Bane.
The interpretation that the sentence is visually describing the scene rather than describing anything taking place is the only one that makes sense, given that the entire purpose behind the ritual was for the Sith Lords to feed Bane their power, and Bane giving it back to them would be completely counter productive.
I agree that Bane can block lightning with a lightsaber but to say that only his lightning or a needle in a whole could kill the orbalisk is just stupid(which is what it seemed that Avis was implying) or that any other sith/jedi couldn't generate lightning to a degree to harm. The end of the da it comes down Bane can block lightning with a saber but if it hits him he stands a very good chance to die.
Well given what you've been saying, that appears to be the case, but it's an insignificant point when taking into consideration that Bane is quite capable of simply using a force shield or his lightsaber to defend against it.
Sure, he didn't do so against his own, but his concentration was partly being focused on generating the lightning just as he was hit, and Bane's lightning is likely the most powerful there is in SW canon. I say this given the fact that he's displayed more refinement of the technique than any other, and has force strength on the level of being far greater than that of an entire Order of force users (likely one of the greatest ever, and certainly on par with beings like Luke Skywalker).
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Elite Hunter, please don't respond to him. Its the only way to get rid of him.
I have no problem talking to Nebaris if what we are talking about is appropriate is not so far out there or utter bull and right now I am repsonding to him but I'm just not gonna agree with his lightning being better than sidious so I'm going to ignore that part since it is waste of time arguing it, and I highly doubt ignoring him will make him want to leave. No offense Rex you do have every right to ban but if what i am talking to him about isn't completely isane then I think it is ok to discuss it with until he is banned. Sorry Nebaris but that is inevitable.
I'm curious Nebaris what would suggest the point of including the word lightning was there for if not to describe lightning connecting them before Bane rose into the air. It seems like it could be a double meaning both visually and to what you seem to be referring to.
Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
no, what i was saying is that bane has to be shocked for a couple of seconds before the lighting will kill him. that is unlikely becasue he can just force jump away when hit by it. i am just tying to say it isn't that easy to kill Bane.
Is there any evidence of this beingr done before of someone dodging lightning while being hit by hit?(it sounds like you are saying he will outrun the lightning that is already on him) I mean lets say it is possible to move while being hit by it what is do stop the force lightning wielder from just moving his hand to follow Bane.For Bane to get point A he must run a fair distance I think the line of sight for the person who hit him will allow him to keep Bane in his sights. Now before anyone says that he can move faster than anyone else could think of how powerful the force user has to be to even get a hit on him (and more than luke can hit him and see him)
I never said it was easy for Bane to be hit or beaten but IF he is hit by lightning from force users such as Revan,Sidious,Dooku,Luke then Bane is in considerable trouble and has a really good chance of dieing.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
That could lead to abuse though. What I want to know is why these forums can't just prevent banned member's IP addresses from being used to register on the site again.
Everyone reasonable effort is made. IP addresses ARE banned. But determined people can find their way around any such system. There is no sock checking and no ban technique that can prevent this. Nor can suspected socks be instantly banned simply on said suspicion.
As noted, much better for you to just ignore them, and also to stop talking about their return.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Hey Ush no offense but there are techniques against this.. When we notice a sock, just keep banning him asap. It doesn't take any time away from the people who are already on this forum.
Again, your suspicions he is a sock are not grounds for a ban. Even similar behaviour is not enough. The policy here is that we do not ban without evidence.
Most suspected socks commit a bannable offence sooner or later and are banned then.
No offence taken, because you are not speaking from a position of knowledge. I repeat, every reasonable effort is made. There is no technique or strategy that we are missing. But we must KNOW it is a sock.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Again, your suspicions he is a sock are not grounds for a ban. Even similar behaviour is not enough. The policy here is that we do not ban without evidence.Most suspected socks commit a bannable offence sooner or later and are banned then.
No offence taken, because you are not speaking from a position of knowledge. I repeat, every reasonable effort is made. There is no technique or strategy that we are missing. But we must KNOW it is a sock.
All the evidence is there each time Ush. Once he gets banned, he creates a new account the same or next day and continues where he left off. This isn't the criminal justice system where we have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Even so, there is NO doubt whatsoever whenever Noobaris is typing.
I have to agree, Ushgarak. With all due respect, if you weren't obligated to maintain order throughout the entirety of the boards, you would learn to quite easily discern Nebaris's accounts -- it's pretty much instinct anymore; most people can call him out quite effectively after two or three of his posts.
On a personal note, Nebaris hasn't annoyed me for a long, long time. I've said it on multiple occasions, I'd personally have no problem with his presence here, if he'd learn to "shape up his act". He has the right to question any topic or bring any taboo up for debate, including the time-tried (canon fact) that the Emperor is the most powerful Sith Lord in history. What does annoy most people are his methods: he makes a claim and expects others to acknowledge and adhere to it completely. He often uses double standards and attempts to shift the burden of proof. He'll attack Count Dooku's legendary status because, after a long diatribe featuring Dooku's background, skill, and goals, a sentence says "this is the public story" -- and expects the whole thing to be brought into question.
It's so paper-thin that even the American legal system would raise an eyebrow of skepticism. Nebaris is smart, but if he should have a place here (which his constant returns indicate a rather desperate need for KMC), he should be made to adhere to the new rules of engagement so to speak.
Or you could grant me "unlimited power!!1!" as a moderator... 😐
The rules of this board as determined by the administrator- and I must say I agree with them absolutely- is that we do indeed have to prove it so. I'm very sorry, but the fact is that suspicions are not enough. We keep a close eye in those showing identical behaviour but nonetheless the process is we need evidence, not supposition, no matter how sensible that supposition seems. If we get any evidence at all, then twinning that with identical behaviour is enough for a ban right then, unlike normally when we would have to look into it. But that's as far as it goes.
Instinct is no good. And incidentally, I know the SW areas rather well.
It should also be noted there are other areas with much worse sock problems. They, too, have to await proof. But a loudmouthed sock normally reveals his identitiy sooner or later.
K, i read about 4 pages, hope this wasn't covered in the few that i didn't read BUT.... Bane beat three Jedi Masters, YES, he beat them, but it is made VERY VERY plain that they connected with his armor over and over and over again. If he hadn't been wearing the orbalisks, he would have been dead many times over. THe reason he won, was because he had such a small area of his body to defend. Without his orbalish, Bane could beat very few Jedi Masters, IMO.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Any amount of electricity will weaken, if not kill, the orbalisks. That should give any powerful force user the opening he needs.
i gotta kinda disagree with this one two. Bane got hit by 5 force pike's simulatneously earlier in the book, it stunned him for less than a second, and he recovered all of his ability's. It would take quite a massive dose of electricity to actually take this guy down. (which he had generated with his own lightning. I guess that probably goes against the consensus of this thread, but that's my take on it.