Originally posted by Elite Hunter
And people like Revan,Luke,Dooku,Sidious and yoda etc. can either produce lightning or reflect and they are all at the very least in his league if not higher.
Given how Bane was able to absorb lightning being generated from an host of Sith Lords that was powerful enough to destroy "anything and everything in its path" and would have eventually destroyed an entire world, contain the energy, and direct it across the entire planet, I'd say Luke's the only one you named who would be "at the very least in his league if not higher," and even then, Luke's never been displayed to be a Master of force lightning, whereas Bane was able to master it to some degree after only an hour of just having learnt it, and as mentioned, is later able to direct it across an entire planet.
Not to mention, as pointed out, Bane's lightning was effecting the entire armour, and it was doing so for quite some time, so trying to pass off the idea that the orbalisks possess the same sort of weakness to lightning that Vader's suit does is really quite silly.
Originally posted by Sorgo
Given how Bane was able to absorb lightning being generated from an host of Sith Lords that was powerful enough to destroy "anything and everything in its path" and would have eventually destroyed an entire world, contain the energy, and direct it across the entire planet, I'd say Luke's the only one you named who would be "at the very least in his league if not higher," and even then, Luke's never been displayed to be a Master of force lightning, whereas Bane was able to master it to some degree after only an hour of just having learnt it, and as mentioned, is later able to direct it across an entire planet.Not to mention, as pointed out, Bane's lightning was effecting the entire armour, and it was doing so for quite some time, so trying to pass off the idea that the orbalisks possess the same sort of weakness to lightning that Vader's suit does is really quite silly.
You don't know the properties of the ritualized force storm so don't jump to conclusions. Furthermore, Palpatine is the most powerful practitioner of force lightning. When he shoots at his highest degree, he burns the victim completely.
Um that lightning was never shown to be all that dangerous at the point considering a "web" of lightning would connect him to all the other sith in the ritual who are all weaker than Bane. And what is Bane's greatest feat with individual lightning?" And yes everyone I did mention is in the same league as Bane or higher.(Luke and Sidious) And welcome back Nebaris who hopefully this time you can last more than a few days.
EDIT: And I know his lightning was effecting his body but there is nothing to suggest that the lightning from anyone will not travel through his body/orbalisks which is what happen when happens when lightning hits you. And also at Mace he was struck in multiple place not just at one direct point on his body.
Originally posted by Elite Hunter
Um that lightning was never shown to be all that dangerous at the point considering a "web" of lightning would connect him to all the other sith in the ritual who are all weaker than Bane.
This doesn't even make sense. I'll let you have another go at it.
Also, try not to ignore what's directly stated about the storm:
"that was powerful enough to destroy "anything and everything in its path" and would have eventually destroyed an entire world,"
The first quote coming from PoD and the second bit coming from the DSSB.
And what is Bane's greatest feat with individual lightning?"
Well, as I said, he was able to master it to some degree after having just learnt it (given how he was able to make storms with it), and he's later shown to be able to direct it across an entire planet. As far as mastery of the power goes, Bane's is shown to eclipse that of anyone else, and if you want to question his force strength, well, he's stated as being far more powerful than the entire Brotherhood of Darkness, an Order of force users numbering in the hundreds, so he's clearly exceptional in that regard as well.
And yes everyone I did mention is in the same league as Bane or higher.(Luke and Sidious)
May I ask for some reasons? Yeah? Awfully kind of you, Spartan. So then... could I have some reasons?
Again, to elaborate on what Bane was able to do: he was able to effortlessly absorb energy powerful enough to wipe out an entire planet, contain it, and direct it across an entire planet.
Luke is logically the only one on par with him (most likely slightly above him) given how he was able to place himself into the heart of the force, where it was stated that not even a black hole could move him, and how he was able to effortlessly manipulate Dovin Basals (which were capable of dragging moons) and warp reality (which he learnt from the Fallanassi, which enables him to keep force powers activated indefinitely simply by willing it).
And welcome back Nebaris who hopefully this time you can last more than a few days.
Who's Nebaris? I'm not Nebaris. My name is Sorgo.
EDIT: And I know his lightning was effecting his body but there is nothing to suggest that the lightning from anyone will not travel through his body/orbalisks which is what happen when happens when lightning hits you. And also at Mace he was struck in multiple place not just at one direct point on his body.
Right. My point was, that there's no proof that the orbalisks possess an inherent weakness to lightning. The fact that not all were destroyed, even though the lightning was effecting his entire body, would support that idea, and again, Bane's lightning is extremely powerful (likely more powerful than that of any other) and he was being blasted for a duration of time.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
You don't know the properties of the ritualized force storm so don't jump to conclusions.
Who's jumping to conclusions? I've only pointed things which are directly stated out.
Furthermore, Palpatine is the most powerful practitioner of force lightning. When he shoots at his highest degree, he burns the victim completely.
Substantiate that.
Bane's displayed more mastery of the ability than any other, and his strength in the force can be argued as being greater than Palpatine's.
Bane hasn't displayed the ability greater than Luke, or Sidious. Lying to yourself or arguing against facts makes you pathetic Noobaris..
Bane's force strength can't be argued. This is why you're an imbecile who's never won a debate. Arguing against facts doesn't get you anywhere. Bane is firmly below Sidious, on the level of Revan and Kun. Try again Noobaris. Oh wait, you'll be banned before the day's over and i'm sure you'll be back tomorrow with a new ID, seeing as how you're pathetic enough to do so.
Ok about the force storm ritual From PoD
He had to shout to be heard above the howling wind and thunder. A web of lightning spiraled out from his body, connecting him to each of the other Sith. He shivered then suddenly went stiff, arms spread out at his sides. Slowly, his rigid body began to rise into the air.
The lightning as this point is not destructive otherwise it surely would have killed other members of the brotherhood who are weaker than Bane especially if this lightning was at the same force that could destroy the planet. So therefore saying that bane absorbed this a great feat is just silly.
Right. My point was, that there's no proof that the orbalisks possess an inherent weakness to lightning. The fact that not all were destroyed, even though the lightning was effecting his entire body, would support that idea, and again, Bane's lightning is extremely powerful (likely more powerful than that of any other) and he was being blasted for a duration of time.
Um i know you read the book nebaris. page 306
The next step involved removing the still-living orbalisks. The key,as zannah expected was electricity. Caleb had brewed a sticky,highly conductive gel over his fire.,then used it to coat the exterior shell of each orbalisk. Next he took a long,thin needle attached to a power cell salvaged from the Loranda and inserted it into a tiny hole at the very tip of th e orbalisk's skull. The needle pierced the soft body underneath,discharging a powerful jolt of electrical jolt to stun the creature.
This caused the orbalisk to release a small burst of solvent chemical that weakened the powerful adhesive the creature used to bond itself to the host. With the adhesive bind weakened,the creature could be manually pried loose.
So you can STOP LYING Nebaris if a charged needle can stun an orbalisk then force lightning from people of the likes of revan,sidious,luke or anyone else who could reflect it or generate it such as yoda or dooku have a chance to kill bane.
Originally posted by Elite Hunter
So you can STOP LYING Nebaris if a charged needle can stun an orbalisk then force lightning from people of the likes of revan,sidious,luke or anyone else who could reflect it or generate it such as yoda or dooku have a chance to kill bane.
The charged needle went INSIDE a little hole in the Orbalisk, so it didn't even touch the shell, which is the real armor. so no, it would not be that simple to kill Bane.
So it has less of shock than lightning and lightning which is bigger than a needle would definitely overlap the hole otherwise and a charge can go through the lightning would not have done anything and even zannah admits that electricity is the weakness of the orbalisk what more do you want?
EDIT: A little further down on page 306 it says
The still-stunned parasites were then tossed into a large,water filled tankhooked up to one of the Loranda's power cells and killed with a final dose of electricity
Electricity is the weakness of the orbalisks you can accept it or not but that really does not matter since it is clear to everyone else here,you can try and bring up every little detail but if Zannah who was sent to the jedi temple to research them and figure out the weakness realizes the bane's lightning killed them,a charged needle stuns them and a volt can kill them then electricity is the weakness end of story.
And before this on page 303
Somehow the jedi's barrier had trapped bane inside the center of the dark side storm. The ELECTRICITY had enveloped him,millions of volts arcing through his body,cooking his muscles into an endless series if violent seizures that threatened to rip his body apart..................................
But burrowing deeper hadn't stopped the creatures from feasting on the ELECTRICITY coursing through his innards....................
Bane had stayed conscious through the torture of ELECTRICITY cooking him alive and the agony of teeth burrowing into his flesh.
no sh!t electricity is there weakness. what i am arguing is how much will kill the orbalisks. Notice: Millions of Volts, that is a lot. and something really big: FEASTING!!!! That means there is an amount that the orbalisks can take in before they overeat and die. What more proof do you want that Bane can take a shock without instantly dieing? it isn't like they can be hit with a taser and they die. no, there is an amount of electricity that they can withstand. that is what i was arguing.
Originally posted by Null ARC Avis
no sh!t electricity is there weakness. what i am arguing is how much will kill the orbalisks. Notice: Millions of Volts, that is a lot. and something really big: FEASTING!!!! That means there is an amount that the orbalisks can take in before they overeat and die. What more proof do you want that Bane can take a shock without instantly dieing? it isn't like they can be hit with a taser and they die. no, there is an amount of electricity that they can withstand. that is what i was arguing.
I never he would instantly die but once they are hit by a substantial blast of lightning from someone oh lets say sidious, we will see a repeat of of what happened to bane in RoT. And then he is vulnerable and he will likely be in a similar position in RoT. I'm stating the obvious when I say force lightning>charged needle and if the needle can stun than how do you expect him to withstand a blast of lightning . My whole point from before with Nebaris is that powerful forces users can produce enough volts to kill. I really have trouble seeing Bane win a duel if hit by lightning.
Originally posted by Elite Hunter
Ok about the force storm ritual From PoD[kwote]He had to shout to be heard above the howling wind and thunder. A web of lightning spiraled out from his body, connecting him to each of the other Sith. He shivered then suddenly went stiff, arms spread out at his sides. Slowly, his rigid body began to rise into the air.[/kwote]
The lightning as this point is not destructive otherwise it surely would have killed other members of the brotherhood who are weaker than Bane especially if this lightning was at the same force that could destroy the planet. So therefore saying that bane absorbed this a great feat is just silly.
WTF? You... do realise that it was the Sith that were generating the lightning, right? Bane was the only one absorbing the lightning, the rest were powering their own lightning through him, which is exactly what was connecting them together. Your counter makes no sense whatsoever.
Um i know you read the book nebaris. page 306So you can STOP LYING Nebaris if a charged needle can stun an orbalisk then force lightning from people of the likes of revan,sidious,luke or anyone else who could reflect it or generate it such as yoda or dooku have a chance to kill bane.
Lol. OK, I'll be honest here; I haven't actually read the book. I even pre-ordered it and everything, but dumbass Amazon ran out of stock fast. I just figured that given what Avis had been saying, that people were simply claiming that the orbalisks were weak against lightning just because Bane's own lightning was able to destroy them - which, if that were the case, would be totally illogical.
Anyways, my bad on that, the orbalisks obviously do possess a weakness to lightning, but this still doesn't change the fact that Bane can easily prevent his orbalisks from being blasted by lightning in the first place by simply blocking it with his lightsaber.