Originally posted by Darth Sexyya bane isn't as powerful as vader. if he matured unhindered he might have been stronger than luke (much like i believe Anakin Solo would have been) bane is strong but vader (pre-op) could kick almost anyone's ass aslong as he didn't get cocky and try to jump his master.....
Unfortunately not. Bane is much more powerful than Vader in the force.
Originally posted by truejedi
i gotta kinda disagree with this one two. Bane got hit by 5 force pike's simulatneously earlier in the book, it stunned him for less than a second, and he recovered all of his ability's.
Actually the book says he was brought down for a moment and in the assassins would have continued their attack they had a good chance to kill him.
Originally posted by truejedi
K, i read about 4 pages, hope this wasn't covered in the few that i didn't read BUT.... Bane beat three Jedi Masters, YES, he beat them, but it is made VERY VERY plain that they connected with his armor over and over and over again.
Mainly because Bane felt no need to defend his invulnerable (in respect to lightsabers) orbalisks. It's not like he was incapable of blocking those attacks, it's more to do with the fact that there would be no purpose in doing so. The armour was there to defend those areas of his body, and the armour was completely immune to the blade of a lightsaber... So what purpose would there be in defending the armour?
Also, put things into perspective. He was up against:
a) A Jedi who was considered the greatest duelist of her age (most warlike age in the entire mythos), who wielded a form which is most likely still completely alien to Bane.
b) The Grandmaster of the Order.
c) A talented veteran of Battle Meditation, who had been a key player in a large number of the Republic's victories in the war, aiding the above mentioned to enormous heights.
To get an idea of how much of an asset Worror's Battle Meditation would have been: "It had been many years since Farfalla had fought while empowered by Worror's battle meditation. He had forgotten how much quicker and stronger the Ithorian's amazing talent made him feel. The Force flowed through him with greater power, filling him with its might." - Ro2, PG 275.
It's pretty clear that both Farfalla and Raska were incredible combatants, and that Worror's battle meditation had been an enormous enhancement to their abilities.
If he hadn't been wearing the orbalisks, he would have been dead many times over.
Or, perhaps, with the need to defend his entire body, he wouldn't take a near fully offensive stance on the battle, and actually defend his body as well as his face.
THe reason he won, was because he had such a small area of his body to defend.Without his orbalish, Bane could beat very few Jedi Masters, IMO.
Despite his weaker PoD self absolutely destroying someone as impressive as Kas'im? The same Twi'lek who mastered every single lightsaber form, and became the greatest technical swordsman of his age, and possibly the greatest ever?
As discussed in the closed thread, people said that the Jedi were stupid.
I didn't think they were that stupid, they didn't exactly know the type of people they were dealing with, and they sent nearly the best to take on the Sith. Perhaps any more Jedi that went with them would have gotten in the way.
Originally posted by sweersa
As discussed in the closed thread, people said that the Jedi were stupid.I didn't think they were that stupid, they didn't exactly know the type of people they were dealing with, and they sent nearly the best to take on the Sith. Perhaps any more Jedi that went with them would have gotten in the way.
It was the aftermath.
They were shockingly stupid in mistaking a lunatic with a missing hand as the Sith Lord.
Originally posted by Light_Sith
It was the aftermath.They were shockingly stupid in mistaking a lunatic with a missing hand as the Sith Lord.
just that they beat him so easily should have told them something. caleb made the ultimate mistake in healing bane anyway, if he had just stuck to his guns on that one, his fate would have been the same, i'm thinking he assumed that as long as the Jedi got to that planet they could find the Sith. Shouldn't they have even checked the ship, and then noticed that there had been 3 people on board it? (i'm thinking DNA or something) Plus they should have run some sort of scan on his at least fingerprint (i guess they use optical scans in star wars?) and noticed that he was the same guy that was signed into the archives a few days before. a few questions... and then they realize he's not their man. (assuming they continued to guard the campsite) crime scene investigators these Jedi ain't.
Originally posted by 666.3
Mainly because Bane felt no need to defend his invulnerable (in respect to lightsabers) orbalisks. It's not like he was incapable of blocking those attacks,[B]
we have no idea if he was capable of blocking those attacks. He had never fought a Jedi Master, or even Knight head to head without the protection of these orbalisks to this point.
[B]Or, perhaps, with the need to defend his entire body, he wouldn't take a near fully offensive stance on the battle, and actually defend his body as well as his face.
once again however, this doesn't definitively tell us if he actually had the ability to defend himself against these masters. It puts Bane's strength well below Sidious's, because of the time it took him to pick off even one of the Jedi. Sidious destroyed 3 council members in few than 5 seconds.
Despite his weaker PoD self absolutely destroying someone as impressive as Kas'im? The same Twi'lek who mastered every single lightsaber form, and became the greatest technical swordsman of his age, and possibly the greatest ever?
Kas'im's technical swordsmanship is no match for the force anymore than Grievous's robotic speed and strength were any match for Kenobi's strength in the force in their dual. And bane did not defeat Kas'im easily. In fact, to say that Bane destroyed him means you didn't even read that section of the book, and probably picked up the quote earlier somewhere online. Kas'im dominated Bane with a lightsaber, and the book makes clear Bane was lucky to escape the temple alive. Only his superiourity in the force saved him, and that clear cut edge in force mastery is something he wouldn't have over the Jedi who came to hunt him down.
To be fair to Bane, he was really up against it.
In Dark Lord, Vader is hit multiple times and he is more vulnerable than Bane.
For me his match with Kas'im shows that he is formidable enough as a swordsman - escaping with his life was good enough.
There was no need for Drew to highlight his skills with the blade anymore.
Originally posted by truejedi
just that they beat him so easily should have told them something. caleb made the ultimate mistake in healing bane anyway, if he had just stuck to his guns on that one, his fate would have been the same, i'm thinking he assumed that as long as the Jedi got to that planet they could find the Sith. Shouldn't they have even checked the ship, and then noticed that there had been 3 people on board it? (i'm thinking DNA or something) Plus they should have run some sort of scan on his at least fingerprint (i guess they use optical scans in star wars?) and noticed that he was the same guy that was signed into the archives a few days before. a few questions... and then they realize he's not their man. (assuming they continued to guard the campsite) crime scene investigators these Jedi ain't.
Indeed.
Originally posted by truejediAnd since he doesn't need to, it's irrelevant.
we have no idea if he was capable of blocking those attacks. He had never fought a Jedi Master, or even Knight head to head without the protection of these orbalisks to this point.
once again however, this doesn't definitively tell us if he actually had the ability to defend himself against these masters. It puts Bane's strength well below Sidious's, because of the time it took him to pick off even one of the Jedi. Sidious destroyed 3 council members in few than 5 seconds.Considering he was up against one of the best duelists of the Jedi Order, said order's de facto grandmaster (Farfalla), and a Jedi Knight, all empowered by yet another powerful Jedi Master's battle meditation, this shouldn't be surprising.
Originally posted by Faunus
And since he doesn't need to, it's irrelevant.Considering he was up against one of the best duelists of the Jedi Order, said order's de facto grandmaster (Farfalla), and a Jedi Knight, all empowered by yet another powerful Jedi Master's battle meditation, this shouldn't be surprising.
How good was Farfalla really though Faunus? We know almost nothing about his abilities with a saber, and the only instance where he's shown using it is against an almost dead Kopecz..
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
How good was Farfalla really though Faunus? We know almost nothing about his abilities with a saber, and the only instance where he's shown using it is against an almost dead Kopecz..
Page 274: To her (Zannah's) surprise, both of Bane's opponents (Farfalla and Raskta) were still standing: proof that they were exceptionally skilled combatants.
Page 280: Farfalla struck with clean, elegant blows, his form perfect as he harried Bane's right flank.