Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I couldn't care less about your "Sabretooth heals from little meat chunks via one lil meat chunk reforming an entire new body." It's the stupidest myth you've proferred so far. That myth isn't gaining ANY traction here whatsoever. And that's a VAST understatement. Now answer this:
"myth" based on a statement that another character made.. This is just you ignoring what you don't like "on panel" all over again....
Originally posted by OneDumbG0uh...just because his quote box arrow originates from under the train doesn't mean he was underneath the train
^ His scream comes from beneath the train! How does that suggest he gets hit by the front of the train and gets carried off?! Does Carnage have the superpower to throw his voice now?🤪
in the second panel, you see carnage's quotebox originate from his leg area as opposed to his head...does that mean he was speaking through his feet?
it was obviously not shown on purpose...carnage was not crushed, he got knocked by the train though
if you know anything about the symbiotes, you know that cassidy could NOT survive getting actually crushed by a train, he would've been in several pieces.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
its not so much being run over.. since he was clearly hit and forced underneath the train... it is his assumption that he continued to be injured squashed and mutilated underneath the train and its small space which i highly doubt.. the wheels obviously cant slice and dice him since they are on the track.
exactly... it's much more likely he got zapped with electricity while under there.. but once again plenty of people have fallen under Subway trains and survived due to the space underneath.... 😕
Originally posted by Starscream MFail. facepalm
uh...just because his quote box arrow originates from under the train doesn't mean he was underneath the train
Originally posted by jinzinOrly? Read this:
Like I never said Carnage would go down to a gutting? *yawn*
Originally posted by jinzinUmm... oops on you?
And yes, Symbiotes can't tank evisceration.
Originally posted by jinzinNo. It's you literally accusing me of ponying up that myth, when I never did, and accusing me of constantly saying that Carnage beat Spidey/Venom together. I NEVER STATED EITHER NOTION. It's there in black and white. I said it before, I'll say it again. You confused yourself. Or you projected. Own up to it.
Again this is you trying to evade the same type of arguments you throw at me... according to your logic on the whole gutting/throat strike mess, you didn't have to since your evaluation that carnage has more strength than them combined and that carnage is venoms equal AND that Venom would rage stomp Sabretooth...... need I go on?Again, you used this nonsense myth to try and further your argument... it's not helping your case.
I never supported the myth that "Carnage > Spidey/Venom," or concurrently "Carnage beat Spidey/Venom." I pointed to one of their fights and said Carnage can go toe-to-toe and he is roughly equal to Venom in strength (which again, runs counter to the myth that Carnage's strength >>>> Venom's). Stop straw-manning me! NOW ANSWER THIS QUESTION HONESTLY:
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And now you're struggling to deal with Carnage getting run over by the subway train. An instance of proof that ABSOLUTELY evinces that both his malleable durability and recuperative abilities allow him to, not only survive mangling, but survive catastrophic mangling. And when you first read that, did you really think that "Oh, we never see Carnage/Cletus clearly get mangled (never mind the scream and the sounds and the mangled mass of symbiote that squeezes out), so maybe he escaped and it isn't a high durability/recuperation feat?" Did you really think that? That's an honest question. Truly, did you really believe that when you read the comic?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And when you first read that, did you really think that "Oh, we never see Carnage/Cletus clearly get mangled (never mind the scream and the sounds and the mangled mass of symbiote that squeezes out), so maybe he escaped and it isn't a high durability/recuperation feat?" Did you really think that? That's an honest question. Truly, did you really believe that when you read the comic?
Looks quite clear to me at least that Carnage was between the tracks and only the tendrils were squished.
Originally posted by Starscream M
uh...just because his quote box arrow originates from under the train doesn't mean he was underneath the trainin the second panel, you see carnage's quotebox originate from his leg area as opposed to his head...does that mean he was speaking through his feet?
it was obviously not shown on purpose...carnage was not crushed, he got knocked by the train though
if you know anything about the symbiotes, you know that cassidy could NOT survive getting actually crushed by a train, he would've been in several pieces.
Pffft...isn't it obvious?
He's a ventriloquist 😮💨
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Umm... oops on you?
Uh no.. because they can't... Which I'm assuming you don't understand the context of that statement even though you have all this mastery over English.... SYMBIOTES can't tank evisceration.... they can't put up a solid defense to that kind of attack... Does that mean I think Venom can't stand up to being cut? No.. that Carnage can't stand up to being cut? No.. It means that SYMBIOTES the alien parts that make up Venom and Carnage offer no defense to an attack designed to cut through them... they never have... I shouldn't have to explain this to you...
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No. It's you literally accusing me of ponying up that myth, when I never did, and accusing me of constantly saying that Carnage beat Spidey/Venom together. I NEVER STATED EITHER NOTION. It's there in black and white. I said it before, I'll say it again. You confused yourself. Or you projected. Own up to it.
Funny coming from someone who wants me to have been the one arguing Carnage going down to a gut-shot.... I love your hypocritical nature.. it's hilarious.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0I can't help the fact that you stepped over your own arguments, you outright tried to imply Carnage being stronger than Venom and then tried to use Venom as a pillar of evidence early on... Why should I? You didn't answer mine. And my original thoughts when I read that comic were simple...
I never supported the myth that "Carnage > Spidey/Venom," or concurrently "Carnage beat Spidey/Venom." I pointed to one of their fights and said Carnage can go toe-to-toe and he is roughly equal to Venom in strength (which again, runs counter to the myth that Carnage's strength >>>> Venom's). Stop straw-manning me! NOW ANSWER THIS QUESTION HONESTLY:
Huh... Venom beat Carnage... Again.... though he had a lil help from the plot device I suppose.
As far as Carnage being "run over" all I ever thought to that was that Carnage got caught under the train and used it to make his escape... as stated it shows him burrowing later on. At no point did I EVER think "WHAO CARNAGE CAN SURVIVE BEING MANGLED?" cause he can't... 😐
Originally posted by jinzinYour post-facto qualification doesn't change what you said. While seemingly convenient at first (you had a glimmer of hope maybe?), it is wholly untrue (dashed utterly... watch). Evisceration = the removal of viscera (i.e., internal organs). If you only meant that the symbiote suit is being eviscerated that makes no sense as they have no internal organs. It's the host that has the internal organs. You obviously meant symbiote characters as a whole, not a symbiote in isolation. The use of the word evisceration or gutting makes no sense when applied to just a symbiote suit. There's no internal organs or guts! And just a minute ago, you asked me when you ever stated that Carnage would go down to a gutting. I just showed you. Nuff said. You don't have to own up to it. It's transparently clear. Poor quaneuver.
Uh no.. because they can't... Which I'm assuming you don't understand the context of that statement even though you have all this mastery over English.... SYMBIOTES can't tank evisceration.... they can't put up a solid defense to that kind of attack... Does that mean I think Venom can't stand up to being cut? No.. that Carnage can't stand up to being cut? No.. It means that SYMBIOTES the alien parts that make up Venom and Carnage offer no defense to an attack designed to cut through them... they never have... I shouldn't have to explain this to you...
Originally posted by jinzinTo further my argument? When did I further my argument by saying "Carnage has beaten Venom and Spiderman "multiple times"????" I never even said Carnage beat them multiple times ONCE. How can I use that myth to further my arguments if I never said it?!
No it's me accusing you of using it to further your argument, which you DID several times..Funny coming from someone who wants me to have been the one arguing Carnage going down to a gut-shot.... I love your hypocritical nature.. it's hilarious.
I can't help the fact that you stepped over your own arguments, you outright tried to imply Carnage being stronger than Venom and then tried to use Venom as a pillar of evidence early on... Why should I? You didn't answer mine.
Funny how you attempted a quaneuver and crashed and burned. You know exactly what you meant with evisceration and gutting. That was painfully transparent.
Carnage is roughly equal to Venom. Which is completely counter to the notion that Carnage >>>> Spidey/Venom. So how did I use that myth again? And answer the question: When you first read that issue, did you really think carnage didn't get run over by the subway train? Really? I'm trying to gauge your genuity. It's obvious you don't think it now (conveniently enough). I just want you to prove your genuity. Answer the question: Yes or No.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Your post-facto qualification doesn't change what you said. While seemingly convenient at first (you had a glimmer of hope maybe?), it is wholly untrue (dashed utterly... watch). Evisceration = the removal of viscera (i.e., internal organs). If you only meant that the symbiote suit is being eviscerated that makes no sense as they have no internal organs. It's the host that has the internal organs. You obviously meant symbiote characters as a whole, not a symbiote in isolation. The use of the word evisceration or gutting makes no sense when applied to just a symbiote suit. There's no internal organs or guts! And just a minute ago, you asked me when you ever stated that Carnage would go down to a gutting. I just showed you. Nuff said. You don't have to own up to it. It's transparently clear. Poor quaneuver. To further my argument? When did I further my argument by saying "Carnage has beaten Venom and Spiderman "multiple times"????" I never even said Carnage beat them multiple times ONCE. How can I use that myth to further my arguments if I never said it?!Funny how you attempted a quaneuver and crashed and burned. You know exactly what you meant with evisceration and gutting. That was painfully transparent.
Carnage is roughly equal to Venom. Which is completely counter to the notion that Carnage >>>> Spidey/Venom. So how did I use that myth again? And answer the question: [b]When you first read that issue, did you really think carnage didn't get run over by the subway train? Really?
I'm trying to gauge your genuity. It's obvious you don't think it now (conveniently enough). I just want you to prove your genuity. Answer the question: Yes or No. [/B]
No you didn't liar... because it's no argument I've never made... I've stated from the beginning that a gut-check isn't something the symbiotes can't handle...
And you can try and twist things all you want, I WAS talking about the symbiotes durability to evisceration... obviously the host is UNDER the symbiote..... and we go from there.. again why you need this stuff explained to you is beyond me...
How did you use it? Poorly... especially now that you're trying to cover up the fact that you used it, which was already proven.
I already told you what my thoughts on the matter were.. it was a plot device, it never held much credit to what Carnage could or couldn't take because it wasn't clearly depicted as to what happened. In other words I didn't care enough to think about it one way or the other.
Originally posted by Phoenix2001
You guys still at this? Man, perhaps ST really has a chance after all...?I suppose Carnage better watch out even though he has the superior strength, agility, and reach.
His agility MAY be superior but he has yet to show it really, and his strength advantage is practically moot compared to Sabretooth's powers which include advantages in healing factor, stamina, and fighting skill.
Originally posted by jinzinYou wanted to know when you said Carnage would go down to a gutting? Right here: "And yes, Symbiotes can't tank evisceration." Yes, the host with the internal organs and guts underneath the symbiote. And if they were eviscerated (your own word), then internal organs are being removed. This is English. A symbiote suit on its own cannot have internal organs removed or guts spill out. It has none. Only the host can. Host has some. This is English. This isn't an argument. You wanted to know when you said Carnage would go down to a gutting? Right here: "And yes, Symbiotes can't tank evisceration."
No you didn't liar... because it's no argument I've never made... I've stated from the beginning that a gut-check isn't something the symbiotes can't handle...
And you can try and twist things all you want, I WAS talking about the symbiotes durability to evisceration... obviously the host is UNDER the symbiote..... and we go from there.. again why you need this stuff explained to you is beyond me...How did you use it? Poorly... especially now that you're trying to cover up the fact that you used it, which was already proven.
I already told you what my thoughts on the matter were.. it was a plot device, it never held much credit to what Carnage could or couldn't take because it wasn't clearly depicted as to what happened. In other words I didn't care enough to think about it one way or the other.
I never used, or even once stated, the belief that "Carnage > Spidey/Venom" or that "Carnage beat Spidey/Venom." You accused me of such, I dismissed it unilaterally at first. And never said either of those notions once. Otherwise, you'd be quoting them. You projected such statements onto me. I forgive you.
This isn't a hard question. Nor did I tailor it to be. It's a simple question: When you first read that issue, did you really think carnage didn't get run over by the subway train? Yes or no? What is the reluctance?
Originally posted by jinzin
Carnage has superior strength and range...His agility MAY be superior but he has yet to show it really, and his strength advantage is practically moot compared to Sabretooth's powers which include advantages in healing factor, stamina, and fighting skill.
Moot? Carnage's strength advantage over ST is comparatively similar to Abomination's strength advantage over Luke Cage percentage wise, give or take a few. I seriously don't think we should so easily dismiss this.
There shouldn't be any doubt that Carnage has the superior agility. His powers are formed after Venom's, who's powers in turn are shaped after Spider-Man's powers. While Carnage's agility and reflexes may not be on exact par with Spidey's, common sense should tell you that Carnage ought to have the quicker movement here.
Really, the only thing going for ST is his HF. While I know ST to be better in combat skills, I just can't see how it can compensate for the huge strength gap that's in Carnage's favor.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
, did you really think carnage didn't get run over by the subway train? Yes or no? What is the reluctance? [/B]
he's already answered that:
Originally posted by jinzin
exactly... it's much more likely he got zapped with electricity while under there.. but once again plenty of people have fallen under Subway trains and survived due to the space underneath.... 😕