WC Phoenix runs a mini DC gauntlet!

Originally posted by Juntai
Right, you are correct that it has a different history- it's different from the time of the divergence forward, from someone farther down the line, much of the history is different, but prior to the divergence, it comes from the exact same history.

Another bottomline is, it's simply no longer 616, no matter the similarities prior.

Yes, every point in 616's Timeline is like a "copy" of 616 before the divergence,
but it immediately becomes something else the moment you enter said point in Time.

Hence, it's no longer 616.

Originally posted by Juntai
Here's the thing though, that even with the divergent timeline, the 616 timeline would have still flowed down the same path it currently does since it's timeline is an unrelenting straight line. So the effects of her tampering as I understand from what I've read here[without having read all the material here.] is still limited to only truly affecting the divergent timeline.

Divergent timelines occur when events set in stone, events which are supposed to happen in a certain way are tampered with.

Jean cut off the divergent timeline before the point of the divergence,(which was Scotts reaction to Emma) she then altered the present, which resulted in the continuation of the 616 timeline.

Hence the line:

616 Cyclops stays with Emma. “In the modern era of Earth 616, Cyclops took up the responsibility of running the Xavier Institute, unknowingly ensuring that at least one apocalyptic future would not come to fruition”

Originally posted by Mr Master

The bio doesn't confirm anything you're claiming.

In fact, the Bio only confirms I'm right.

Reality 15104 began the instant the Future appeared on panel:

"Here Comes Tomorrow ... Earth 15104 ...

First appearance, New X-Men #150"
[/B]

Bio states it marks the first appearance of HCT, not its initial creation.
How can you cut of the future of a reality, if it was just created?

Originally posted by Juntai
Here's the thing though, that even with the divergent timeline, the 616 timeline would have still flowed down the same path it currently does since it's timeline is an unrelenting straight line. So the effects of her tampering as I understand from what I've read here[without having read all the material here.] is still limited to only truly affecting the divergent timeline.

And I just responded to your prior post basically saying this in other words. 😛

Originally posted by Mr Master
Prior to the divergence is an inconsequential point though Jun,
cause the bottomline is,
you enter the Past of 616, and a New Universe with a separate history is where you end up.

Another bottomline is, it's simply no longer 616, no matter the similarities prior.

Yes, every point in 616's Timeline is like a "copy" of 616 before the divergence,
but it immediately becomes something else the moment you enter said point in Time.

Hence, it's no longer 616.

Prior to the point of divergence Mr Master you have 616. 😬

It became a divergent reality in the first place because events which were supposed to happen in a certain way, were tampered with, therefore a divergent reality was created from that point of divergence.

Travel back in time past that point of divergence and you're back in 616.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Prior to the point of divergence Mr Master you have 616. 😬

It became a divergent reality in the first place because events which were supposed to happen in a certain way, were tampered with, therefore a divergent reality was created from that point of divergence.

Travel back in time past that point of divergence and you're back in 616.

I agree 100%

Originally posted by Mr Master
Prior to the divergence is an inconsequential point though Jun,
cause the bottomline is,
you enter the Past of 616, and a New Universe with a separate history is where you end up.

Another bottomline is, it's simply no longer 616, no matter the similarities prior.

Yes, every point in 616's Timeline is like a "copy" of 616 before the divergence,
but it immediately becomes something else the moment you enter said point in Time.

Hence, it's no longer 616.

It seems that you don't neccisarily end up in a divergent timeline during timetravel, it's just what you create when you tamper with it.

Originally posted by id369
Bio states it marks the first appearance of HCT, not its initial creation.
How can you cut of the future of a reality, if it was just created?

Originally posted by Mr Master

Spin it all you want, I'll keep at reminding the onlookers.

"Early time travelers quickly discovered that changing the past merely creates a divergent timeline, a new universe with a different history than the one they remember, leaving the original timeline unchanged."

Let's break this down since apparently the people posting here can't comprehend the English language.

"changing the past merely creates a divergent timeline, a new universe with a different history than the one they remember"

The law states that changing the past creates a divergent timeline...Now what is a divergent timeline? The phrase after the comma answers that. A divergent timeline is a new universe with a different history than the one they remember.

Now there is another comma with the phrase "leaving the original timelined unchanged." What does this mean? Let's break it down again:

Divergent timeline= A new universe with a different history than the one they remembered.
Original timeline= original universe (which in this case is 616).

It states that the original timeline (which means the original universe which means the 616 universe) remains unchanged.
This irrefutably proves that unless one warps/changes/recreates/etc. the 616 during the present time (not during the past or the future), one cannot warp/change/recreate/etc. the 616 universe.

Originally posted by Juntai
Is this neccisarily true, when we've seen divergent future timeline characters in the very un-maleable 616 timeline?

It seems that you don't neccisarily end up in a divergent timeline during timetravel, it's just what you create when you tamper with it.

I didn't think of that.

Thank you very much. 🙂

Now i can provide some examples:

Look at Rachel Summers and Cable,Stryfe and Bishop.

They all come from alternate futures, realities which diverge from 616 and by travelling back in time, they ended up in 616 😄

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually, the Reality was created 4 issues before #154.

That’s your opinion, and you use the Bio statement of first aperance to enforce your claim of its creation.

Originally posted by Juntai
Is this neccisarily true, when we've seen divergent future timeline characters in the very un-maleable 616 timeline?

It seems that you don't neccisarily end up in a divergent timeline during timetravel, it's just what you create when you tamper with it.

It simply became because Scott made a decision.

But Jun, this is the thing,
if a story begins in a separate point in Time (whether it's the Future OR Past)
said story is located in a separate Timeline:

Earth 691 - GOTG: (the 31st Century of the 616 Universe)

"There is a Second that wrestles with Eternity.
A heartbeat forever frozen in the tapestry of Time,
This is such a moment ...

The Year is 3017 A.D in ONE of the MANY Possible Futures of the Multiverse"

So the arguement is if HCT is the true future, and not a divergent at all, until it made to be so?

Originally posted by Air Legend

"Early time travelers quickly discovered that changing the past merely creates a divergent timeline, a new universe with a different history than the one they remember, leaving the original timeline unchanged."

Let's break this down since apparently the people posting here can't comprehend the English language.

"changing the past merely creates a divergent timeline, a new universe with a different history than the one they remember"

The law states that changing the past creates a divergent timeline...Now what is a divergent timeline? The phrase after the comma answers that. A divergent timeline is a new universe with a different history than the one they remember.

Now there is another comma with the phrase "leaving the original timelined unchanged." What does this mean? Let's break it down again:

Divergent timeline= A new universe with a different history than the one they remembered.
Original timeline= original universe (which in this case is 616).

It states that the original timeline (which means the original universe which means the 616 universe) remains unchanged.
This irrefutably proves that unless one warps/changes/recreates/etc. the 616 during the present time (not during the past or the future), one cannot warp/change/recreate/etc. the 616 universe.

Originally posted by Air Legend
👆

[B]"Early time travelers quickly discovered that changing the past merely creates a divergent timeline, a new universe with a different history than the one they remember, leaving the original timeline unchanged."

Let's break this down since apparently the people posting here can't comprehend the English language.

"changing the past merely creates a divergent timeline, a new universe with a different history than the one they remember"

The law states that changing the past creates a divergent timeline...Now what is a divergent timeline? The phrase after the comma answers that. A divergent timeline is a new universe with a different history than the one they remember.

Now there is another comma with the phrase "leaving the original timelined unchanged." What does this mean? Let's break it down again:

Divergent timeline= A new universe with a different history than the one they remembered.
Original timeline= original universe (which in this case is 616).

It states that the original timeline (which means the original universe which means the 616 universe) remains unchanged.
This irrefutably proves that unless one warps/changes/recreates/etc. the 616 during the present time (not during the past or the future), one cannot warp/change/recreate/etc. the 616 universe. [/B]

What you guys are forgetting to acknowledge is that the Fantastic Four issue is talking about creating divergent timelines via TIME TRAVELLING.

Its talking about time travelling back before the NOW(present) in an attempt to alter the future, therefore the events between the divergence point and the present of that divergent timeline, in comparison to that same period in the main timeline are going to be different.

So when it talks of a divergent timeline with a different history, its talking of a history different to the main timeline because the reality was created by travelling back BEFORE the present.

However by travelling along that divergent timeline back past the point of divergence, you will be back in 616 before the time traveller altered things 🙂

Originally posted by id369
That’s your opinion,
and you use the Bio statement of first aperance
to enforce your claim of its creation. [/B]

Please, I saw a moment of clarity between us,
don't become pompous like your mate.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I agree, concerning Time-travel,
but no one Time-traveled during the "Here Comes Tomorrow" arc.

It simply became because Scott made a decision.

But Jun, this is the thing,
if a story begins in a separate point in Time (whether it's the Future OR Past)
said story is located in a separate Timeline:

Earth 691 - GOTG: (the 31st Century of the 616 Universe)

"There is [B]a Second that wrestles with Eternity.
A heartbeat forever frozen in the tapestry of Time,
This is such a moment ...

The Year is 3017 A.D in ONE of the MANY Possible Futures of the Multiverse" [/B]

The story took place in the Here Comes Tomorrow future, but because Jean amputated that future, was told she needs to change events to grow a better future and was then shown to alter 616 Cyclops reaction to Emma(which was the divergent point) you know conclusively that by the end of the story events were taken back to 616.

Originally posted by Juntai
So the arguement is if HCT is the true future, and not a divergent at all,
until it made to be so?

Originally posted by Mr Master
I agree, concerning Time-travel,
but no one Time-traveled during the "Here Comes Tomorrow" arc.

It simply became because Scott made a decision.

But Jun, this is the thing,
if a story begins in a separate point in Time (whether it's the Future OR Past)
said story is located in a separate Timeline:

Earth 691 - GOTG: (the 31st Century of the 616 Universe)

"There is a Second that wrestles with Eternity.
A heartbeat forever frozen in the tapestry of Time,
This is such a moment ...

The Year is 3017 A.D in ONE of the MANY Possible Futures of the Multiverse"

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The story took place in the Here Comes Tomorrow future, but because Jean amputated that future, was told she needs to change events to grow a better future and was then shown to alter 616 Cyclops reaction to Emma(which was the divergent point) you know conclusively that by the end of the story events were taken back to 616.

What other way was there for her to change that possible Future?

Obviously, by going back to the point of it's divergence, like any and all other Timelines

Originally posted by Mr Master
"Here Comes Tomorrow" began 150 Years in the Future out of nowhere,
this places it under these rules:

Let me rephrase..

Is the real discussion is if HCT is truly the solid line, and not the dotted one, as it completely changes the idea of the feat involved?