Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Jean Grey was reborn into reality to rectify her error. However her premature awakening at the hands of Sublime lead her to be disoriented and she forgot her mission:Jean had her connection to the Phoenix Consciousness rebooted and this awakened her to what her true purpose was:
Jean proceeded to disinfect that future of Sublime
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Jean telekinetically cuts away the WHOLE future:She asks the Consciousness if this future she has just away is THE future i.e is that what her native reality 616 is destined to go through.
The Consciousness replies and referring to the amputated future says "This is NOW!" i.e that is what is currently in store for 616.
The Consciousness blames Jean for 616 being destined to that fate and basically says that she lost track of her duties she became too “emotionally engaged”
Jean gets distressed and says [B]my friends don’t deserve that”
(This is Jean of 616, if this was a different reality why would she call the people within her friends and be so concerned about their future?)i.e her friends don’t deserve to be fated to go through a future like Here Comes Tomorrow.
The Consciousness gives her a solution. It tells her to “Turn around”, it says “Here, Before, Always” (Referring to the nature of the White Hot Room within the M’kraan crystal, how it doesn’t obey the laws of time/space.)
Jean looks around and sees the M’kraan crystal.
(As this is happening the Here Comes Tomorrow future in Jeans hand is carried away by a birdlike black claw.)
It refers to the White Hot Room within the crystal as the hospital.
It tells Jean to heal the wound in the “hospital” (She has after all just “amputated” part of the timeline) by growing it a new future. [/B]
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As previously mentioned, Jeans early awakening left her disoriented, even after her reboot, she still seems confused and whilst being shown using her powers still doesn’t seem to know exactly what she’s doing.An explanation for this was provided by Jean earlier on in the series. Jean talks of how the Phoenix Consciousness talks to her(as we see throughout the White Hot Room) scene and when things get too much for her, it “replaces her” i.e it takes the reins and takes charge of her body. That explains why Jean appears to use her powers, yet doesn’t know what she’s doing at points.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Within the White Hot Room Jean is surrounded by the other avatars.The Consciousness says in the first panel that “telekinetic control of all of those atoms isn’t as easy as it looks in training”
Jean demonstrates how she’s a straight A student by manifesting the 616 universe within the palm of her hand with no discernible effort, having total control of its atomic structure.
(There used to be talk about how this wasn’t a universe or when that was disproven that she could only do it inside the White Hot Room, but bearing in mind that on the previous page from OUTSIDE the White Hot Room, Jean had just telekinetically amputated and carried away the future of the 616 universe and given that there was no mention of an alleged empowerment, such comments are unfounded and must be struck off as speculation.)
Confirming the feat, Jeans official bio was updated to include within her powerset the ability to manipulate atomic structures on a universal scale:
Being disoriented from her premature awakening from her Phoenix egg Jean questions what she’s there to do and the Consciousness reasserts that she needs to fix the universe.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Containing the universes atomic structure within her palm, Jean gazes into it still unsure of her task.She hears words from within the 616 timeline. “Every diamond has a flaw” “Are these words from the future” (All of these contained within the pages of New X-men thereby giving yet more proof that the reality she manifested and hold in her hand within the crystal was 616:
Prof X: “Are these words from the future?”
Quentin Quire tells her that if she wants to grow a new future to replace the one she cut away she must water it with her hearts blood, i.e she must sever all emotional links with the 616 reality so that she can perform her Phoenix Work.
Quentin mutters that he’d just let the universe die, indicating how little any one reality is in the scheme of things to a Phoenix.
Jean ignores him; she gazes into the reality in her hand and says “Live Scott Live”
This application of power resulted in 616 Cyclops changing his reaction to Emma, once again confirming that reality she manifested within the crystal as 616.
Originally posted by Air Legend
And here comes more of the over-sized, not readable scans along with self-quoted arguments spam attack.If I were a dumbass, I'd enjoy the debate you two are having, but I'm not. I have a deep dislike for intransigence.
Does this mean that everyone who actually enjoys this debate is a dumbass???? 😬
Look gs, I can do that too:
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In "Here Comes Tomorrow"
Jean did NOT manipulate the atoms of 616 Universe, (in any way, shape or form)
It is clearly stated in the Official Marvel bios,
it was the "Alternate Future of Reality 15104" (the Future of a Timeline)
"In ONE Future, Phoenix severed the Alternate Future ... OF ... Reality - 15104"
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Jean Amputates the Future of Reality 15104 and Repairs it in the WHR:
"Hospital White Hot" ... "Grow better Future"
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Jean STILL hasn't done anything to Reality 15104.
After Repairing the Future of Reality 15104, PF says,
"Telekinetic control of all those atoms at once ian't as easy as it sounds,
not even for a White Phoenix of the Crown"
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There you have it, it was the reparation to the Future of Reality 15104,
that Jean manipulated atomically. ✅
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Now Reality 15104 appears in Jean's hands,
Jean doesn't know what it is, or what to do with it:
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Jean still hasn't done a thing to Reality 15104.
In the last Panel, Jean finally does something:
"Live Scott"
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And what does Jean do?
What did she do when she said, "Live Scott?"
Jean went into the Past, changed Scott's mind about his life, Emma & the X-Men,
and then Scott's decision Alters Reality 15104.
According to Grant Morrison: (the Writer of this arc)
(excerpt from the Questionnaires addressed to the Writers, last page New X-Men #155)
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On Panel verification:
I guess ol' MORRISON wasn't lying about the Story HE CREATED.
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There's no assurance that 616 would ever become 15104.
For there's a slew of Realities taking place Far beyond 150 years as we speak,
all these Realities are "Possible Future Timelines"
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========= LIKE THIS ONE YALL =============
Earth 691 - GOTG: (the 31st Century of the 616 Universe)
"There is a Second that wrestles with Eternity.
A heartbeat forever frozen in the tapestry of Time,
This is such a moment ...
The Year is 3017 A.D in ONE of the MANY Possible Futures of the Multiverse"
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We'll never know until the time comes,
this is why these Timelines are enclosed in their own Reality apart from the 616 Universe.
Jean simply went into the Past,
which is easily accomplished withIN the WHR (outside of Space/Time)
Jean then mind rapes Scott,
and Scott's decision alters the Future of Reality 15104.
The power was ALL in Scott's decision.
swank
After Prep!
Jean took Sublime out of Beast (this disinfected the Future of Reality 15104)
Then Jean teleported to the WHR (Hospital) for Realities.
Jean heals "wounded orphan universe"
How?
By "Symbolically watering it with her heart's blood" ...
What does that mean?
(What it has always meant On Panel in bios and according to Grant Morrison himself)
Jean went into the Past ... forced Scott to stay with the X-Men & Emma,
and ... that's it.
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Notice the official "Here Comes Tomorrow" Bio literally states ...
... IT WAS Scott's decision that Altered Reality 15104 ...
"In the modern era of Earth-616 ...
Cyclops took up the responsibility of running the X Institute ...
unknowingly ensuring that at least One apocalyptic Future ...
would Not come to fruition" ...
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And cats got her manipulating the atoms of 616 ... 😆
What?
To change Scott's mind? ... You joking right?
Bah, whatever, Grant Morrison (Writer/Creator) himself told us what happened EXACTLY!!!!
According to Grant Morrison: (the Writer of this arc)
"It was Scott's decision to walk away from Emma
that set the apocalyptic events of 'Here Comes Tomorrow' in motion
(Scott inadvertantly Created Reality 15104 with a decision)
and Jean made sure that Future would never take place"
HOW WILL Jean Do This?
(what I've always said)
"By making him stay with Emma instead" .... ✅
(write a letter to Morrison and tell em your disagreements with his work.
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(excerpt from the Questionnaires addressed to the Writers, last page New X-Men #155)
Originally posted by Air Legend
And here comes more of the over-sized, not readable scans along with self-quoted arguments spam attack.If I were a dumbass, I'd enjoy the debate you two are having, but I'm not. I have a deep dislike for intransigence.
If thats the case then stay out of the thread.
To feel like that, but to continually come into the thread and insult, just marks this as a cry for attention.
I don't know whats going on in the real world for you mate by i pity you.
I assume you've been here long enough to know how to PM? 😕
If you ever need a shoulder to cry on, i'm here for you mate. 🙁
Also, I just noticed something that will definitely cement my PostS as Fact!
Notice this yall:
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We know ... Jean damaged Reality 15104's Future by amputating said Future right:
"In ONE Future, Phoenix severed the Alternate Future ... OF ... Reality - 15104"
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Jean did this in order to disinfect the Future of Sublime right:
"She then extracted Sublime's essence from the Beast's body,
disinfecting the entire Future Reality" (15104)
As you continue to read this, we SEE the SAME Future Reality Jean disinfected,
is the SAME Future Reality she healed
by going to the Past and forcing Scott to change his mind. (As I presented - above postS)
It never changes from 15104 to 616 ... that's a misinterpretation. ✅
Yall CAN READ it for yourselves right there. 👆
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Reality 15104's Future gets "amputated/disinfected" and "damaged"
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Reality 15104's Future gets Repaired atomically withIN the WHR (Hospital for Timelines)
"Telekinetic control of all those atoms at once ian't as easy as it sounds,
not even for a White Phoenix of the Crown"
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Now Reality 15104 itself appears on the scene:
(and it's the SAME Reality to the very end in her hand) ... I NEVER saw a switch!!!!
The ONLY Reality that was "disinfected" ...
(by amputating it's Future) 🙂
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the ONLY Reality Jean heals "symbolically" (like the Official Bio states)
(by reaching into the Past and changing Scott's mind) ... like the Bio and Morrison state.
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As we can see,
Jean never discarded the Future, she only repaired it atomically,
Reality 15104 was still the same possible "horrific Future" even after it's Future "Repair"
but by Scott changing his mind,
Reality 15104 either continues a separate existence from the one stained with Sublime,
or simply ceases to exist,
since it was Scott's decision in the first place that literally Created it.
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Imagine the Prime Reality, foundation of the Omniverse, core of the Multiverse,
as some cheesy "orphan universe" stranded from the Multiverse.
That's crazy yall, and basically impossible.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I remember those "What Ifs"http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=425758&pagenumber=165
Hilarious.
"616?"
Actually it was the "Future" of Reality 15104 (a Future Timeline)
she amputated and repaired atomically withIN the "Hospital" (WHR)"In ONE Future, Phoenix severed the Alternate Future of Reality - 15104"
(excerpt from the OHOTMU 2006 - Mkraan Crystal bio)
..........................................................................................................It wasn't the Future of 616, it was the Future of 15104
(which was in effect since issue#150)
Originally posted by Air LegendThe debate should have ended here.
"In ONE Future, Phoenix severed the Alternate Future of Reality - 15104"
If she altered the future of 616, it would have said she severed the alternate future of reality 616.
This is quite useful actually.
Now that our interpretations are side by side, lets leave it for now MM and let other posters highlight any issues they have with our interpretations.
What do you say?
Why would she have the amputated future carried away from her, only for her to manifest it within her hand after she steps into the White Hot Room?
The HCT future was 150 years in the future, so how and WHY is Jean going to grow a future for the present(which was 150 years in the past) on the end of an amputated future that takes place 150 years after the present?
How would Jean hear past 616 events, from an amputated future timeline thats isolated from the timestream?
Why would Jean gaze into an amputated future and say "Live Scott, Live", when Cyclops is long dead within that reality?
How would Jeans application of power to an amputated future isolated from the timestream, result in a change to the 616 present?
Why would Jean amputate a future she wanted, repair that future and then alter time so that future never existed?
Originally posted by Air Legend
The debate should have ended here.
"In ONE Future, Phoenix severed the Alternate Future of Reality - 15104"
If she severed the alternate future of 616, it would have said she severed the alternate future of reality 616.
It was a poor choice of wording. The statement contradicts itself.
It says "Phoenix severed the alternate future of reality 15104"
But reality 15104 was a future itself, so that would mean she severed the future of a future. 🤨
On top of that we know from the comics that it was a future of 616.
It then supports that by continuing"....from the rest of the multiverse and nudged Cyclops of Earth 616 to re-open the Xavier Institute TO PREVENT THIS FUTURE FROM COMING ABOUT
The last part of the explanation then supports the comics by telling us that that future was a future of 616 and Jeans time alteration prevented reality 15104 from occurring.
So i think its safe to say that was a little grammar slip up 🙂
