WC Phoenix runs a mini DC gauntlet!

I'm tired of debating this argument,
round and round we all go.

But I will prove my case one last time for the onlookers. 🙂

Bottomline:

When Scott changed his mind,
that "Possible" Future (Reality 15104) was nulled/altered.

Nothing more.

15104 is just ONE of Countless possible Futures of 616,
nothing more.

This is why the BIO clearly states,

"ensuring that At least ONE apocalyptic Future would not come to fruition"

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Every "What if" (which is what "Here Comes Tomorrow" is, basically)
as in "What if Scott left the X-Men and Emma"
can be altered/nulled in the SAME manner.

Go back into 616's Past before the divergence,
and stop whatever occured that created said divergence. 🙂

Quite simple really.

If yall,
wish to believe "Here Comes Tomorrow"
outweighs ALL the OTHER "possible" FutureS, whatever.

But Marvel has been creating stories set in 616's Future for over 25 years,
and honestly, and no offense to anyone (sincerely)
but to suggest that This particular story is the end all and be all of 616 FutureS,
is in all honesty is laughable to me, and I'm being serious, laughable.

Imo, it gives a new meaning to fanboyism. (not everyone is guilty of this)

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Any who,

here are several FUTURES are are direct products of 616.

Yea, as in actual FutureS of 616,

yes, as in, if you travel back in time from these Realities, you end up in 616.

Furthermore,
most of these Realities I'll be presenting
have been manipulated and/or altered
by affecting the MODERN Age of 616 (yes ... as in the Present)

Just like the events of Reality 15104 and ol' Jeannie.

First off ... "Here Comes Tomorrow" is just ANOTHER Alternate Reality:

(does anyone see anything special/distinguishing next to the title? ... Me neither)

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======== Days of Future Past - Earth - 811 (a Future of 616) =======

(Rachel is from the Future ... and came to 616)

Kate/Rachel/PhoenixForce going back and forth in Time (from 616 to the Future)

They literally altered the Future, by their actions in 616:

"The Force followed Rachel BACK to Her TIME (the Future)
the Force possessed Rachel,
and used her power to SEND her BACK to the Earth-616 of the Past,
Ahab, learned of Rachel's TIME TRAVEL and sought to locate her,
Kate/Ahab merged and became Widget,
while Ahab set about preventing any FURTHER REWRITING of what was, for him HISTORY"

"Soon after,
adult Franklin from Rachel's TIME appeared in the MODERN ERA (Present) of Earth-616"

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======= Earth - 8410 (the Year 2020 of 616) another Future =======

The Iron-Man of the this Future, travels BACK in TIME (to 616)

to change events in his Future:

"Arno used a Time Machine to seek a retina scan of Saunders' younger self,
ARRIVING in the MODERN ERA of Earth-616,
he only succeeded in scarring the YOUNG Earth-616 Saunders"

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==== Earth - 928 (the Year 2099 of the 616) another Future ====

"2099's Spider-Man twice encountered the heroes of Earth-616's MODERN AGE,
616's Fujikawa & 2099's Stark-Fujikawa opened temporal rifts,
sending Peter Parker forward into 2099
and Miguel O'Hara BACK nearly 100 YEARS into the PAST"

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========Earth - 4935 (the Year 3806 of 616) ========

This Future (in it's entirety) is ALTERED from again,

the MODERN ERA of 616 (Present)

"Christmas Day in 3806 Canaanites consolidate control,
Stryfe fled to Earth-616's MODERN ERA, (Present)
Tyler was captured by the Canaanites and ... was SENT to the PAST as well"

To the WHAT? ... TO THE PAST!!! (616's Modern Era)

"Nathan ALSO went BACK in Time,
hoping to PREVENT Apocalypse's rule from ever occurring,
ARRIVING Years BEFORE His Birth, he took the name Cable,
Ultimately, Cable destroyed Apocalypse in the PRESENT,
DIVERGING His FUTURE from Earth-616"

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Hmm ...
Isn't that exactly what Jean did?
(change A Future by affecting Scott on 616?)

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======= Earth-691 (the 31st Century of 616) =======

616 Heroes Time Travel to "the" FUTURE (the Year 3014)

Guardians of the Galaxy Time Travel BACK in Time to Present (616)

"In 3014, Tarin was accidentally SENT BACK to Earth-616's MODERN ERA,
CA/Thing/Sharon Carter accompanied Tarin BACK to her Time,
where they teamed with the Guardians to liberate NYC from the Badoon ...
learning that the Badoon
had staged a failed invasion of Earth in the HEROIC AGE (616)
the Guardians ...
VIA TIME TRAVEL, visited Earth-616's Modern Era, meeting that era's YOUNG Vance"

+++++++ Wow, look at that,
Vance is literally Young in 616, signifying the direct link between Time periods,
obviously, the GOTG's 31st Century is a direct FUTURE of 616,
but This Future is labeled 691, just like Here Comes Tomorrow" is labeled 15104,
just like ALL "possible" FutureS of 616,
are labeled something other than 616. +++++++

"After erasing young Vance's knowledge of the Guardians and their period,
the Guardians returned to the 31st-Century Earth-691"

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I guess this was accurate:

Earth 691 - GOTG: (the 31st Century of the 616 Universe)

"There is a Second that wrestles with Eternity.
A heartbeat forever frozen in the tapestry of Time,
This is such a moment ...

The Year is 3017 A.D in ONE of the MANY Possible Futures of the Multiverse"

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So, after ALL that, what's the next excuse?

Bah, ahh, whatever ... 🙂

As we can ALL SEE, ALL these UniverseS are set in the Future of 616,
and ALL of them can be directly affected by traveling 616's Present.
Just like Jean did in the "Here Comes Tomorrow" scenerio.

I TOLD YALL there was NOTHING special concerning what Jean did. ✅

I guess that's enough evidence ey?

Meh, maybe not for the fanboys, but definitely for the unbiased sensible mind.

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I hate to say it, but after all these pages ...
and Mr M "just doesn't undertand" garbage,
or "what a mess of an interpretation" gibberish ...

did Mr Master just own/stomp/pwn?

No he really didn't. Why would Morrison right a story that cared so much about seperating the timelines if it wasn't connected to 616? That would be the most pointless story ever.

Originally posted by King Kandy
No he really didn't.

All of those stories involve changing the Future by affecting something in 616,
so what's the difference? .. None, none, none at all.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Why would Morrison right a story that cared so much about seperating the timelines
if it wasn't connected to 616?
That would be the most pointless story ever.

On the otherhand, WHAT? ALL those stories don't count?

ONLY Morrison has the right/power and ability to make a story,
that involves going into 616 (present) from the Future to change said Future?

AGAIN, ALL of those stories above did the SAME exact thing.

All of the examples above are CONNECTED to 616,
(did you read even one of them)
but NONE of them ARE 616, just like Reality 15104 is NOT 616 either.

But you know what, as you wish, I'm done, and I proved my case conclusively,
look over the material, because unless you're playing blind,
you can't tell me ALL of those cases I presented are not the same exact blah, blah,
that took place in "Here Comes Tomorrow" ...
but again, as you wish if you see it another way,
although, I can't see how, actually I can (no comment) 🙂

Good night friend.

Originally posted by King Kandy
No he really didn't.

😂

you ignored this, mm. don't use scans to reply, just kindly address the points i've raised. like a true debator. 🙂

you admit she dealt with 616 scott to create a new future. but, at the same time, you seem to be saying that by affecting 616 scott she did NOT affect the 616 future, but rather 616 scott's NEW actions somehow created yet ANOTHER DIVERGENT timeline. is that accurate?

is that accurate?

if it is, my question then is this:

how does one affect the 616 future?? if directly impacting a 616 character serves only to create ANOTHER divergent timeline, then it seems (and i said this earlier) that you are implying there IS NO 616 FUTURE THAT CAN EVER EXIST. just new divergent realities everytime a choice or decision is made. if scott's decision did NOT lead to a new 616 future, does that mean that all x-books are now out of continuity?

so?

it seems so much easier to say the hct future WAS 616's intended future, it was cut-off, it was changed with scott's decision.

to suppose otherwise implies that when scott was altered, the alteration led to a SEPERATE future -- not the 616 future. after all, how could it if you think that were the alteration NOT made it would have led to a FUTURE that was NOT 616? it necessarily follows that everything AFTER scott's altered decision is NOT set in the 616.

no need for scans, just explanations to logical problems that your interpretation raises. 🙂

If anybody is still arguing that there HCT was the only possible future of 616, after all the evidence Mr Master supplied, they are simply retarded.

Originally posted by Air Legend
If anybody is still arguing that the HCT future was the only possible future of 616, after all the evidence Mr Master supplied, they are simply retarded.

Originally posted by leonidas
you ignored this, mm. don't use scans to reply,
just kindly address the points i've raised. like a true debator.

Sorry L, those questions are pointless Now.

True debate this below: (since you also apparently overlooked it)

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========Earth - 4935 (the Year 3806 of 616) ========

This Future (in it's entirety) is ALTERED from again,

the MODERN ERA of 616 (Present)

"Christmas Day in 3806 Canaanites consolidate control,
Stryfe fled to Earth-616's MODERN ERA, (Present)
Tyler was captured by the Canaanites and ... was SENT to the PAST as well"

To the WHAT? ... TO THE PAST!!! (616's Modern Era)

"Nathan ALSO went BACK in Time,
hoping to PREVENT Apocalypse's rule from ever occurring,
ARRIVING Years BEFORE His Birth, he took the name Cable,
Ultimately, Cable destroyed Apocalypse in the PRESENT,
DIVERGING His FUTURE from Earth-616"

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Hmm ...
Isn't that exactly what Jean did?
(change A Future by affecting Scott on 616?)

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yawn

Nothing further to say,
nothing further, need be said.

If "Here Comes Tomorrow" is the "real" Future of 616,
simply because Jean touched Scott in the Present 616
to affect said Future (Here Comes Tomorrow)

Then Marvel has a truck load of "Real" FutureS,
since ALL of my examples revolve around the SAME exact action.
ALL of those stories above involve traveling to the PAST (Present 616)
in order to alter events in different FutureS.

Funny thing is ... I only posted some of them. (there's many more)

Meh, and the Cable example cements my argument,
as he ALTERED his entire FUTURE Reality,
by traveling to the Past (Present 616) and manipulating events there.

I never thought that wouldn't be enough for one such as you,
but jeesh, is it really that hard to acknowledge what's above?

Ah, whatever, as you wish. 🙂

😂

very mature and well reasoned. care to answer my questions, air? you're quick to insult anyone who sees things differently, but i've yet to see you put together anything resembling a logical post that addresses the problems i and others have raised. instead of playing sycophant, how's about some reasoned responses. 🙂

Originally posted by leonidas
instead of playing sycophant, how's about some reasoned responses. 🙂

Because it's WAY easier to just call you a retard. barker

Originally posted by Galan007
Pfft.

Because it's WAY easier to just call you a retard. barker

😂

how 'bout you, galan? i suspect you've at least been glancing in from time to time. what say you about the hct future? at the time of writing, do you think morrison may well have intended it to be the 'true' 616 future, or do you think he was just writing about an alternate universe from the get-go?

Originally posted by leonidas
😂

how 'bout you, galan? i suspect you've at least been glancing in from time to time. what say you about the hct future? at the time of writing, do you think morrison may well have intended it to be the 'true' 616 future, or do you think he was just writing about an alternate universe from the get-go?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Ignored again.

Sorry L, those questions are pointless Now.

True debate this below: (since you also apparently overlooked it)

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========[B]Earth - 4935 (the Year 3806 of 616) ========

This Future (in it's entirety) is ALTERED from again,

the MODERN ERA of 616 (Present)

"Christmas Day in 3806 Canaanites consolidate control,
Stryfe fled to Earth-616's MODERN ERA, (Present)
Tyler was captured by the Canaanites and ... was SENT to the PAST as well"

To the WHAT? ... TO THE PAST!!! (616's Modern Era)

"Nathan ALSO went BACK in Time,
hoping to PREVENT Apocalypse's rule from ever occurring,
ARRIVING Years BEFORE His Birth, he took the name Cable,
Ultimately, Cable destroyed Apocalypse in the PRESENT,
DIVERGING His FUTURE from Earth-616"

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Hmm ...
Isn't that exactly what Jean did?
(change A Future by affecting Scott on 616?)

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yawn

Nothing further to say,
nothing further, need be said.

If "Here Comes Tomorrow" is the "real" Future of 616,
simply because Jean touched Scott in the Present 616
to affect said Future (Here Comes Tomorrow)

Then Marvel has a truck load of "Real" FutureS,
since ALL of my examples revolve around the SAME exact action.
ALL of those stories above involve traveling to the PAST (Present 616)
in order to alter events in different FutureS.

Funny thing is ... I only posted some of them. (there's many more)

Meh, and the Cable example cements my argument,
as he ALTERED his entire FUTURE Reality,
by traveling to the Past (Present 616) and manipulating events there.

I never thought that wouldn't be enough for one such as you,
but jeesh, is it really that hard to acknowledge what's above?

Ah, whatever, as you wish. 🙂 [/B]

oi.

seriously. i see why you ignored my questions . . . 🙁

as soon as someone returns to the 616 and alters anything of consequence, the future that WOULD have resulted then becomes relegated to a POSSIBLE future.

in your cable example it WAS the 'true' 616 future, until when . . .? UNTIL IT WAS ALTERED and kept from becoming said future. there ARE dozens of apocalyptic futures -- none are realized, all are divergent because they have been ALTERED and so they are no longer the 'true' 616 timeline.

you are absolutley correct when you said marvel has shown a truckload of 'real' 616 futures. none of those futures ever have the chance to come about though because they are altered before that can happen. all those futures are designated differently and acknowledged RETROACTIVELY, just like all your bios do.

do you realize the implications of your interpretation? do you understand that by following your logic the current x-books (and many others, apparently) ARE OUT OF CONTINUITY!

sigh. it's unfortunate that you're unwilling to even admit the limitations and problems -- let alone address said limitations -- that arise from your interpretation of events. but, whatever. can't say i didn't give you the chance to hash it out. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm not falling for that.... You sly dog you. peaches

fear

😛