Silver Surfer (Exiles) vs Superman Prime

Originally posted by Rewmac
You might have a point there and yeah destroying planets are feats true, but SP can do that too we know it and standing up to Galactus (unknown power level), beating the Imperial Guard (unknown power levels) isn't really a true feat to go by.

If a character in an alternate universe displays the exact same powers (mentions confidence, flying around in space unaided, etc.), is in the same position (in Gladiator's case, head of the Shi-ar imperial guard), then we can assume he has the same powers.

If a character is presented differently, such as a different costume, attitude, or displays different powers, then yeah you can say he's not the same. In this case Gladiator was the exact same as his 616 counterpart for all intensive purposes. Exiles has shown characters with different clothing, different attitudes, etc., such as a hippie Hulk with a big peace sign on his jeanjacket. This isn't one of those cases; Gladiator was presented exactly the same as the 616 version, except maybe slightly more muscular looking.

Originally posted by llagrok
He can still look the same and have a different powerset....

I know but whats the most likely conclusion? Its not just abiut looking the same its what he said "when im fully confident...blah blah", this implies that he has the same or similar powers 😐

Originally posted by Kutulu
If a character in an alternate universe displays the exact same powers (mentions confidence, flying around in space unaided, etc.), is in the same position (in Gladiator's case, head of the Shi-ar imperial guard), then we can assume he has the same powers.

If a character is presented differently, such as a different costume, attitude, or displays different powers, then yeah you can say he's not the same. In this case Gladiator was the exact same as his 616 counterpart for all intensive purposes. Exiles has shown characters with different clothing, different attitudes, etc., such as a hippie Hulk with a big peace sign on his jeanjacket. This isn't one of those cases; Gladiator was presented exactly the same as the 616 version, except maybe slightly more muscular looking.

Exactly what I said in more detail. 🙂

He never once utters the word "confidence"

Originally posted by llagrok
He never once utters the word "confidence"

Ok can somebody clraify this. Im pretty sure he did.

Originally posted by Horrificus
On a side note, this whole thing where character showings are discounted when they are from alternate realities is not always a solid way to look at it.

A lot of these alternate reality characters ARE the same power-sets as their 616 counterparts. So, they shouldn't be instantly discarded.

Thank you, this is exactly what I've been trying to get across.

It's one thing showing a female version of Logan that's in her teens, etc. - you can say she's probably different than her 616 counterpart. Exiles does this with characters on a regular basis, such as, in this instance, showing Galactus as a pacifist giant.

That being said, when they have shown characters in the past that look exactly the same as their 616 counterparts, they have in each case been just that - exactly the same. It helps the storyline move along faster. Otherwise you would have to re-write 50 comic books to establish a character's background to lead up to each alternate reality.

So unless otherwise specified, they are for all intensive purposes, the same - unless specified otherwise (such as Surfer being mean, etc.)

I would actually give Annihilation Surfer more chances of winning, then Exiles Suffer.

Originally posted by Kutulu
If a character in an alternate universe displays the exact same powers (mentions confidence, flying around in space unaided, etc.), is in the same position (in Gladiator's case, head of the Shi-ar imperial guard), then we can assume he has the same powers.

If a character is presented differently, such as a different costume, attitude, or displays different powers, then yeah you can say he's not the same. In this case Gladiator was the exact same as his 616 counterpart for all intensive purposes. Exiles has shown characters with different clothing, different attitudes, etc., such as a hippie Hulk with a big peace sign on his jeanjacket. This isn't one of those cases; Gladiator was presented exactly the same as the 616 version, except maybe slightly more muscular looking.

Originally posted by Rewmac
Where is the proof that Gladiator was at least equal to the 616 counterpart? Has he mentioned it? "Hey I'm equal to my 616 alter ego." I doubt it. You are going by the facts that the characters are called Silver Surfer and Galactus. This doesn't autmatically means that they are the same. They might have the same powers, but who said they are equal in power. Show me proof where it has been said that 616's characters and that universe's characters are truly the same. Because it hasn't been proved.

If it looks like a duck, and acts like a duck, it must be a duck.

http://img164.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ssravager2ql6.jpg

Actually he didnt what he said was that "as long as my cause as righteous I cannot fail" implying that as long as I believe in what im doing I will win. 😐

Originally posted by Rewmac
Where is the proof that Gladiator was at least equal to the 616 counterpart? Has he mentioned it? "Hey I'm equal to my 616 alter ego." I doubt it. You are going by the facts that the characters are called Silver Surfer and Galactus. This doesn't autmatically means that they are the same. They might have the same powers, but who said they are equal in power. Show me proof where it has been said that 616's characters and that universe's characters are truly the same. Because it hasn't been proved.

Originally posted by Kutulu
If it looks like a duck, and acts like a duck, it must be a duck.

hysterical

Originally posted by id369
I would actually give Annihilation Surfer more chances of winning, then Exiles Suffer.

I don't. There is no Crunch energy available for this fight.

Originally posted by Rewmac
Where is the proof that Gladiator was at least equal to the 616 counterpart? Has he mentioned it? "Hey I'm equal to my 616 alter ego." I doubt it. You are going by the facts that the characters are called Silver Surfer and Galactus. This doesn't autmatically means that they are the same. They might have the same powers, but who said they are equal in power. Show me proof where it has been said that 616's characters and that universe's characters are truly the same. Because it hasn't been proved.

I have already explained this several times now.

#1 - re-establishing a backstory for every alternate version of a character in a comic book would be against the principles of storytelling. Not to mention that writers don't lay out a page saying "here are this guy's powers". Nobody would buy comics like that and it wouldnt' appeal to people, and would kill the central point of storytelling.
#2 - in Exiles past stories, if a character doesn't have distinguishing characteristics, then they have had the exact same powers as their 616 counterparts. If the Exiles writer decides to write a character differently, then chances are that they use their powers differently or have different powers. In this case, Gladiator looked exactly the same, his punch was powerful enough that it generated a huge burst of light, he was blasted in the chest directly and it didn't penetrate his skin (where the same blast created a whole through the other Shi-ar imperial guard). So we know right off the bat that his durability is way up there.

Gladiator also acts the same, looks the same, and does the same thing, so it's pretty clear that the writer intended for him to be the same.

Going by your logic, I have shown that this version of the Gladiator was the same as his 616 counterpart, can you prove to me otherwise? If not, then by logic it's the same as the 616 counterpart. The ball is in your court.

Originally posted by Alfheim
http://img164.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ssravager2ql6.jpg

Actually he didnt what he said was that "as long as my cause as righteous I cannot fail" implying that as long as I believe in what im doing I will win. 😐

^^ Exactly, this comment illustrates Gladiator's supreme confidence in himself, showing that he started off full power for this fight.

This is the classic "we cant be certain" escape clause. 🙄

Originally posted by Kutulu
Thank you, this is exactly what I've been trying to get across.

It's one thing showing a female version of Logan that's in her teens, etc. - you can say she's probably different than her 616 counterpart. Exiles does this with characters on a regular basis, such as, in this instance, showing Galactus as a pacifist giant.

That being said, when they have shown characters in the past that look exactly the same as their 616 counterparts, they have in each case been just that - exactly the same. It helps the storyline move along faster. Otherwise you would have to re-write 50 comic books to establish a character's background to lead up to each alternate reality.

So unless otherwise specified, they are for all intensive purposes, the same - unless specified otherwise (such as Surfer being mean, etc.)

Originally posted by Alfheim
This is the classic "we cant be certain" escape clause. 🙄

This reminds me of when someone in another thread said that planets were less dense in another universe when arguing a DC character versus a Marvel character, in regards to planet destroying attacks. 😂

Originally posted by Sundipped
I don't. There is no Crunch energy available for this fight.

Originally posted by Kutulu
If it looks like a duck, and acts like a duck, it must be a duck.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Thank you, this is exactly what I've been trying to get across.

It's one thing showing a female version of Logan that's in her teens, etc. - you can say she's probably different than her 616 counterpart. Exiles does this with characters on a regular basis, such as, in this instance, showing Galactus as a pacifist giant.

That being said, when they have shown characters in the past that look exactly the same as their 616 counterparts, they have in each case been just that - exactly the same. It helps the storyline move along faster. Otherwise you would have to re-write 50 comic books to establish a character's background to lead up to each alternate reality.

So unless otherwise specified, they are for all intensive purposes, the same - unless specified otherwise (such as Surfer being mean, etc.)

Looked more like he simply released it.

Originally posted by Kutulu
If it looks like a duck, and acts like a duck, it must be a duck.

If he posts like an idiot and speculates like an idiot, he must be an idiot.

Galactus is semi abstract, his form and shape various, so nobody can "look" like Galactus. Not that this Exiles version even looked like the regular Galactus.

You have absolutely no proof that any of these characters are as strong as their 616 counterparts.

Originally posted by llagrok
Looked more like he simply released it.

If he posts like an idiot and speculates like an idiot, he must be an idiot.

Galactus is semi abstract, his form and shape various, so nobody can "look" like Galactus. Not that this Exiles version even looked like the regular Galactus.

You have absolutely no proof that any of these characters are as strong as their 616 counterparts.