Silver Surfer (Exiles) vs Superman Prime

Originally posted by Rewmac
Or it can be Hulk... Have you read the previous issues? They showed Galactus can be beaten by Thunderbird at full power (Thunder was at full power) so if I follow you logic, that means in 2002 Thunderbird's 616 counter would have been able to beat 616 Galactus?

Thunderbird didn't beat Galactus, he merely drove him off. 616 Galactus has been driven off with less force than that, such as when Mr. Fantastic used the Thing like a cannonball to knock him over when he was weak and hungry.

Galactus also has additional exceptions placed upon him due to the Abraxas arc, where it was shown that 616 Galactus was "Galactus Prime" so to speak, which wasn't the case here.

I stand by my statement - if a character is shown exactly the same as their 616 counterpart, with no alterations in behavior, clothing, or shown powers, then for all intensive purposes they have the same powers as their 616 counterpart. If you can prove to me that this Gladiator was somehow different than his 616 counterpart, by all means do so and I will gladly debate it with you.

He married Manta.....

Originally posted by Kutulu
Thunderbird didn't beat Galactus, he merely drove him off. 616 Galactus has been driven off with less force than that, such as when Mr. Fantastic used the Thing like a cannonball to knock him over when he was weak and hungry.

Galactus also has additional exceptions placed upon him due to the Abraxas arc, where it was shown that 616 Galactus was "Galactus Prime" so to speak, which wasn't the case here.

I stand by my statement - if a character is shown exactly the same as their 616 counterpart, with no alterations in behavior, clothing, or shown powers, then for all intensive purposes they have the same powers as their 616 counterpart. If you can prove to me that this Gladiator was somehow different than his 616 counterpart, by all means do so and I will gladly debate it with you.

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Galactus on his knees...hmm...John in 616 would surely do that to 616 Galactus right???

Also zombies would be able to kill Galactus and Surfer right?

Originally posted by Rewmac
Ohhh he didn't? Guess he didn't even crack is armor?

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Galactus on his knees...hmm...John in 616 would surely do that to 616 Galactus right???

Also zombies would be able to kill Galactus and Surfer right?

Did you even read what I wrote? Obviously you didn't or you would have seen the part where I said Galactus-616 is Galactus Prime and is an exception, and that's on-panel from the Abraxas arc. 😆

Try reading what you quote next time before you hit the reply button.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Did you even read what I wrote? Obviously you didn't or you would have seen the part where I said Galactus-616 is Galactus Prime and is an exception, and that's on-panel from the Abraxas arc. 😆

Try reading what you quote next time before you hit the reply button.

as far as I can tell, Exiles Surfer is just regular Surfer with an upgraded mind in terms of cunning, ruthlessness, battle readiness and aggression.

there's really no need to have Surfer and Galactus in that story if they don't have some relation to their 616 selves. same with Gladiator. why put him in there, why have Surfer cut him in two if not to demonstrate that this Surfer means business and uses the Power Cosmic more readily?

and come on, let's return to the thread: Exiles Surfer vs SMP.

I want to know more about SMP. I have a good idea of what Surfer can do, so I'd like to know what people think SMP can do and also to what levels.

Originally posted by Rewmac
Nope I read one part of it, and since the post isn't worthy of cutting it I just answered to specific part. But again why am I explaining myself to you...Guess I don't have to. You go by a logic which full of crap, you see facts and the way you want.

Ok so to sum up - you cannot prove logically your side of the argument, so you then say logic is full of crap, and that I see facts the way I want to, despite on-panel evidence which has proven you wrong. 🙄

I guess I gave you more credit than you were worth, here I thought you were ready to have an intellectual debate, but apparently when your arguments are proven wrong it comes down to insults.

Originally posted by Rewmac
Or it can be Hulk... Have you read the previous issues? They showed Galactus's armor can be cracked by Thunderbird at full power (Thunder was at full power) so if I follow your logic, that means in 2002 Thunderbird's 616 counter would have been able to do the same 616 Galactus?

I posted a thread about the Thunderbird feat.

THAT particular Galactus was no weaker than 616.
As a matter of fact, the writers went to great lengths to make sure the reader knew that Galactus was at Full-Power, and stronger than previous 616 Galactus showings, where he had been beaten back by defenders.

My argument was that T-Bird at full-power had performed a spectacular feat.

That specific Galactus was no more or no less powerful than 616 G. He was just at Full-Power.

So, the T-Bird feat should count.

Originally posted by Horrificus
I posted a thread about the Thunderbird feat.

THAT particular Galactus was no weaker than 616.
As a matter of fact, the writers went to great lengths to make sure the reader knew that Galactus was at Full-Power, and stronger than previous 616 Galactus showings, where he had been beaten back by defenders.

My argument was that T-Bird at full-power had performed a spectacular feat.

Better watch it, or Rewmac will accuse you of "You go by a logic which full of crap" like he did to me.

Originally posted by Kutulu
I stand by my statement - if a character is shown exactly the same as their 616 counterpart, with no alterations in behavior, clothing, or shown powers, then for all intensive purposes they have the same powers as their 616 counterpart. If you can prove to me that this Gladiator was somehow different than his 616 counterpart, by all means do so and I will gladly debate it with you.

Originally posted by janus77
as far as I can tell, Exiles Surfer is just regular Surfer with an upgraded mind in terms of cunning, ruthlessness, battle readiness and aggression.

there's really no need to have Surfer and Galactus in that story if they don't have some relation to their 616 selves. same with Gladiator. why put him in there, why have Surfer cut him in two if not to demonstrate that this Surfer means business and uses the Power Cosmic more readily?

and come on, let's return to the thread: Exiles Surfer vs SMP.

I want to know more about SMP. I have a good idea of what Surfer can do, so I'd like to know what people think SMP can do and also to what levels.

The 616 Surfer evolved an entire planet.

This Surfer shot energy blasts...

Originally posted by Horrificus
I posted a thread about the Thunderbird feat.

THAT particular Galactus was no weaker than 616.
As a matter of fact, the writers went to great lengths to make sure the reader knew that Galactus was at Full-Power, and stronger than previous 616 Galactus showings, where he had been beaten back by defenders.

My argument was that T-Bird at full-power had performed a spectacular feat.

That specific Galactus was no more or no less powerful than 616 G. He was just at Full-Power.

So, the T-Bird feat should count.

Oh and thanks for reminding me earlier about the Exiles showing Maestro's war room, I went back and re-read those issues. I saw: Thor's hammer, Surfer's Surfboard (with a big hole in it 😂 ), Dr. Octopus' adamantium arm (ripped off of course), and some other cool stuff.

I'm going to look for a good image host tonight to try and post up the scans.

According to Kutulu's logic, King Hyperion should be able to beat the Hulk, Thor and all the heroes on earth...

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Does that mean that Thor would kill Savage Hulk easily?

I'm not sure I follow your line of reasoning here; please clarify.

Originally posted by Kutulu
I'm not sure I follow your line of reasoning here; please clarify.

Wolverine also killed Hulk in a What-If.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Thor killed Hulk in a What-If. No different powers were shown between the two. And Thor did it with raw strength.

Wolverine also killed Hulk in a What-If.

What-If's are not canon, last time I checked. The Exiles are different than the What-If storylines, as they have actually had crossovers which put them in continuity with marvel-616.

What-If's for all intensive purposes could be taking place in an entirely different multiverse.

Originally posted by Kutulu
What-If's are not canon, last time I checked. The Exiles are different than the What-If storylines, as they have actually had crossovers which put them in continuity with marvel-616.

What-If's for all intensive purposes could be taking place in an entirely different multiverse.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
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If you disagree with me that's fine, post an instance of someone from a What-If storyline interacting with someone from MU-616, like the Exiles have.

Prime has surfer beat in speed,strength and durability. Surfer can chanel as many energies as he wishes but it wont do a damn thing to prime who was able to withstand a guardian suicide explosion at point blank range. Prime takes this 10/10.

Originally posted by Kutulu
If you disagree with me that's fine, post an instance of someone from a What-If storyline interacting with someone from MU-616, like the Exiles have.