Silver Surfer (Exiles) vs Superman Prime

Originally posted by Newjak
Listen it doesn't matter how much a writer implies the similarities between two alternate reality versions. The fact remains they are not the same person and one has feats the other doesn't.

If a character looks, behaves, has the same job and powerset (intersteller travel, flying in space etc)...then yeah thats the same person. The only difference is that he married Mantis and that not even out of character.

Originally posted by Newjak

Why because that writer isn't writing 616 Glads he is writing an alternate version. Anything he may imply has no bearing on the 616 version, or vice-versa. Or let me put it this way. 616 Glads will constantly be getting feats does that mean the alternate reality version would also get those future feats?

No it doesn't because they aren't the same person or written by the same person.

Or let me phrase this another way for you.

If the alternate reality version of Glads say lifted the Universe would you say 616 Glads could also lift a Universe?

But he dindt do that did he? Im going on what I saw and if thats the only information I have im assuming he has the same powerset.

Lets put it this way if you were going to bet money you would bet that Glads had the same powerset as 616.

Prime>>Monitor>>Surfer.

Originally posted by Newjak
So you are saying that T-Bird is stronger than 616 Thor?

Or that he can hit harder than 616 Thor. The same Thor that cracked a celestial's armor?

And the only evidence that you would be willing to except is that T-Bird broke through an Alternate Reality Galactus' armor?

I never said specifically that Thunderbird from Exiles was more powerful than Thor - only that his particular attack that breached Galactus' armor, while in his enraged / berserk form that he was given by his universe's version of Apocalypse (using Celestial technology) had a stronger hand to hand attack which would inflict more damage than a hammer thrown at a distance by 616 Thor.

In another comic of Exiles he beat down the Hulk in hand to hand combat. So that version of thunderbird was no joke. Celestial technology can amp a character quite a bit.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Not sure what you are getting at either.
Hulk HAS been killed before. He is NOT omnipotent. This forum just has lots of people that try to make him out to be.
Hulk has been beaten down, killed, resurrected, captured and subdued just like other characters.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
I have no idea of what this post was supposed to be...

Who's the guy with the "Weiner-Gun" in your sig?

Originally posted by Horrificus
I'm too lazy to go back and look.
Sorry.

Who's the guy with the "Weiner-Gun" in your sig?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
I have no idea of what this post was supposed to be...

Yeah... off-topic, but that is a funny ass sig you got Bran. hysterical2

From what I can tell from the scans posted here but rest assured when I find this I will read it that Prime would most likely win this but it is far from easy. This Surfer took Gladiator in half and stopped his punch easily. Whereas Prime didnt kill Superboy easily at all. I know thats looking at it from two fights but the way I see it Surfer is the prefect candidate to take down Kryptonian. If Surfer survives the initial assalt he could win. Red solar energy is a bich.

Originally posted by Estacado
Prime>>Monitor>>Surfer.

Originally posted by Rewmac
Exactly just ingore Kutulu's logic it does not count...

Originally posted by Kutulu
Once again you are circling back to the initial point of contention in the discussion.

What you ask for can simply not be done without having the comic turn to garbage. Mr. Master himself posted a pretty thorough explanation on how the alternate universes within the multiverse containing MU-616 work. They are basically ripples outwards from what happens in MU-616 for the most part, with minor changes in some, and major changes in others. This is on-panel, and it's why if MU-616 falls, so does the rest of the universes in a cataclysmic chain reaction of events.

If any writer wrote a comic in the way that you suggest they would have to in order for a non-616 character to have any power (by having on-panel feats), he would literally have to write anywhere from a few to a several hundred comics going over the history of each character one by one that would appear in an issue or two of the main storyline.

It makes it a lot simpler for the writer, and the reader, if they can simply say "look, here's a version of Wolverine, except that he has just left the lab from weapon-X". You know from them saying that and / or showing that, that he has all of Wolverine's attributes. An example is they literally had a vast quantity of alternate versions of Wolverines in one of the Exiles books, and all of them had claws, all of them could regenerate, etc.. The only differences were with their physical appearance, attitudes, and history, but all of their powers were the same.

Originally posted by Rewmac
Exactly just ingore Kutulu's logic it does not count...

If you will look through this thread, I never said that Surfer would take the win. All I was doing was clarifying how characters in alternate universes should be treated in comparison to their 616 counterparts, based upon the writer's intention.

Surfer defines wat a top tier is, however Prime is skyfather level and as I have mentioned before prime has Surfer beat in every regard. Prime 10/10

Originally posted by quanchi112
Kutulu is a good debater if you ask me. So you two disagree its no reason to throw snide remarks at each other. Just disagree and leave it at that. 🙂

Originally posted by Kutulu
If you will look through this thread, I never said that Surfer would take the win. All I was doing was clarifying how characters in alternate universes should be treated in comparison to their 616 counterparts, based upon the writer's intention.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Surfer defines wat a top tier is, however Prime is skyfather level and as I have mentioned before prime has Surfer beat in every regard. Prime 10/10

Thunderbird pushed a bomb into Galactus, Galactus was in NO way injured by T's attack...

Originally posted by Rewmac
I only read the half of thepost coz I'm not interested in bullcrap but it's clear that newjak has more info on comics than you do...Stoip bringing bullshit up...

You only read half the post, you try and quote things without reading what they say, and you try and put words in my mouth.

I respect Newjack although I may not agree with him. I respected you as well to an extent from your work in the respect forums and such, but when you quote me and post things out of context as to what I've said or didn't say, then you leave me little choice but to retort.

I didn't make anything up either, I posted scans to back up what I say. If you want to debate the logic behind alternate universe characters, then I am more than willing to debate. When you simply resort to insults and ignore what I've written, however, it makes it hard to get your point across.

I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, but there is no reason to resort to insults and say that I just make things up.

Originally posted by Rewmac
I only read the half of thepost coz I'm not interested in bullcrap but it's clear that newjak has more info on comics than you do...Stoip bringing bullshit up...

If your going to be insulting at least read through the whole post to be sure. 👇

Originally posted by Alfheim
If your going to be insulting at least read through the whole post to be sure. 👇

Originally posted by Rewmac
I don't have to I have classic prestige...I'm around longenough to tell from half of the post if it's irrelevant...