Final Kain Gauntlet

Originally posted by Furion
No it cannot bleed, I think if Kain tried to drink it he would explode.
wow, one hit kills on weak pathetic beings in LOK. Chaos is more powerful then any being Kain has faced besides Raziel and Elder God. Prove he could one hit Chaos.

it cannot bleed? what makes you say that, have you ever seen it cut close enough to see if it bleeds? just looks like a big creature to me, what makes you certain it cant bleed?

show me a Chaos durability feat please......imo Chaos is weak and pathetic, he only has speed and a big gun, big deal, kain ahs the emblems of like 9 concepts of power themselves...whats Chaos going to do the little thing will blasted to pieces with one or two hits, one hit will cripple him, how is chaos going to survive the reaver go straight into his face and exploding with the force to blast to pieces demons and vampires...show me Chaos endurance feats.....

It takes the appearance of a creature. It is made out of oure lifestream and mako, straight from the planet. Kain would burst from trying to suck up that energy.
Chaos is like Omega. Omega Weiss's skin is powerful enough to deflect bullets. Also Vincent's body would be destroyed if it held Chaos in him, but Hojo's experiments made him incredibly durable. Show me Kain going around 1 hitting demons and vampires with no effort.

Originally posted by Furion
It takes the appearance of a creature. It is made out of oure lifestream and mako, straight from the planet. Kain would burst from trying to suck up that energy.
Chaos is like Omega. Omega Weiss's skin is powerful enough to deflect bullets. Also Vincent's body would be destroyed if it held Chaos in him, but Hojo's experiments made him incredibly durable. Show me Kain going around 1 hitting demons and vampires with no effort.

he wouldnt suck energy, he drinks blood, so he wouldnt try, hed slice the thing to pieces, i mean didnt its wings in that video get sliced down by vincent?, he took a wing off

cant "show" you anything about kain actually doing it because its from BO1, an old game, i can show you this however

http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo1/weapons.php

"most enemies with one hit" and it menstions creatures, the only thing that could survive a hit was probably bosses, and we all know thats gameplay BS anyway considering some of them are just humans, the hit from the reaver explodes the enemy, Vincent will go down in a couple of hits for sure, also the reaver is indestructable, given kains strength he would easily be able to push the sword into Chaos, at the same time as the blade exploding with energy, chaos will be deep under in no time, if Weiss swords can go through Chaos, the reaver would for sure

If it's indestructible, but it exploded in SR1. Yes i know it's a time paradox but it still exploded.
But that is in LOK universe. Chaos Vincent would 1 hit most if not all of the beings in that verse too.

Originally posted by Furion
If it's indestructible, but it exploded in SR1. Yes i know it's a time paradox but it still exploded.
But that is in LOK universe. Chaos Vincent would 1 hit most if not all of the beings in that verse too.

okie semi indestructable, but since nothing in a universe other than the LOK unvierse and special events in the LOK universe at that, in FF eyes, its indestructable
yes but they wouldnt explode with crackling energy, its not like kain is just stabbing them and they die, also how would you know? in cannon chaso may have some trouble with demons, the LOK demons are not that easy, the electric demons could stun him while the big demon giants beat on him and he wouldnt be able to fight, but its besides the point, if Chaos gets the reaver in his face, hes a gonner

except Chaos won't because he will be moving too fast.

no because he will be Tked solid in shackles, or frozen in time or slowed, or slowed and then Frozen, or shackled then frozen etc etc, theres so many ways kain would destroy Chaos, or he could w8 for Chaos to stop and shoot, or w8 for chaos to realise his gun isnt really doing anything and try and melee kain..then kains got him...OR kain could dimension jump to the spectoral realm, stand where chaos would be, then reshift into the material with his sword already inside chaos...chaos dies...then he could do the same to Weiss...Dimension jump is incredibly quick anyway, he could just jump in front of chaos with his sword forwards and Chaos going at his incredible speed would be impaled

TK doesn't work, because They are going to fast.
Like they would get hit by that slow ass attack. and besides it's only 2.5 sec. Chaos can shoot while moving. Anyone can shoot while moving.
Prove it won't effect Kain. If it can hurt Weiss who deflects bullets then it sure as hell would effect Kain.

Originally posted by Furion
TK doesn't work, because They are going to fast.
Like they would get hit by that slow ass attack. and besides it's only 2.5 sec. Chaos can shoot while moving. Anyone can shoot while moving.
Prove it won't effect Kain. If it can hurt Weiss who deflects bullets then it sure as hell would effect Kain.

false, kain would just have to TK their general area, they wont escape a mind powered whim

how would it effect kain? Weiss is more alive than kain is for a start, and how did it affect weiss, it didnt really do any damage to him, it just went a good distance

Prove Kain can do that
Vincent appears behind Kain and blows his head off. Then he blows his legs off and slams his foot down on his chest. Kain wouldn't be able to keep track of them anyway.

Originally posted by Furion
Prove Kain can do that
Vincent appears behind Kain and blows his head off. Then he blows his legs off and slams his foot down on his chest. Kain wouldn't be able to keep track of them anyway.

prove what? TK isnt some kind of projectile, as long as kain sends out his TK in an area or to a being he can take them, thats what TK is, Telekinetic force through the mind, the only way kain would not be able to do it is if they were behind him

blows his head off? the projectile is not the size of kains head and Vincent wouldnt be quick enough to do that before kain just Tks him or the bolt kain fires hits the guy, the battle is likely to start with Omega and Chaos in front of kain so he would just TK them up up and away

Kain will just send Chaos into the floor over and over for giggles before cleaving him with Reaver, or dimension shifting as i said earlier, their fast but not that fast

Kain will think he hit Chaos but then he'll realize he has a hole through his head.
WTF, Kain needs to focus on beings to TK them. If they were behind him he wouldn't be able to TK.

Originally posted by Furion
Kain will think he hit Chaos but then he'll realize he has a hole through his head.
WTF, Kain needs to focus on beings to TK them. If they were behind him he wouldn't be able to TK.

then he will laugh as it regenerates, at the same time as Chaos realises hes floating in the air and cant move, Chaos and Weiss are destroyed as is the rest of the gauntlet

thats what i said, and no kain doesnt really need to focus, he just wills it to happen, and he can talk while doing it so it doesnt really take focus at all, but as i said ,the only way they can escape TK is if their behind him the whole fight, which is unlikely

Even if He beats Chaos and Weiss, He loses at Seph. Mainly because he as no shield and there are two of them. Seph just does Sin harvest (which is just the name JUST THE NAME) and kills Kain. But don't worry. Seph will take Kain out for drinks later anyways.

Originally posted by Burning thought
well the one soul is Raziel, he is immortal, he is infnite in energy and will only lose it when he becomes starving and mad like the one we see in Soul reaver 2 when raziel touches the blade its ravenous and mad and uses Raziels soul to heal it, the blade does not really charge in canon, you can feed raziel so he doesnt become mad in there, but it doesnt charge

all the emblems are in the blade at the same time, its a circle of emblems on the swords hilt, its gameplay that you have to choose what emblem to use, and select diffrent emblems, canonically, kain simply thinks and he uses the power, he doesnt have a bag of emblems on his person that he changes, the emblems are on the hilt of the blade. So no kain doesnt change the emblems, their not little socketable items he needs to take in and out of the blade, what made you think that anyway?

what makes you so sure? he isnt that quick, its not like hes going lightspeed or anything, hes blinking here and there but his overall speed if cut by 80% would make him seem slow in kains eyes and that was just an example the fact is, kain using the time reaver slows everything by a initial amount so they seem slow to him whether it be superhuman speed raziel, normal human speed Sarafan warriors, or slow demon giants

just because his big doesnt mean if a lighting bolt hits him in the eye it wont hurt him, and being large will be his weakness, as it would be for Weiss if the guy puts too much faith in the thing

ofcourse there is, he would teleport, he doesnt have to walk there, he could teleport right on top of the thing, thus the beauty of actually being able to teleport in comparison with having to move quickly

watching the video it was just the design that made me think it was metal, it looked like a machine at some point, so where is Weiss? inside the thing? and if its flesh, it can bleed.......ouch, kain will prob burst from trying to drink the blood of something so large

Why do you think that in canon the reaver doesnt need to be charged? It even says "Kain could only start to charge the Reaver once he found this first, central fragment of the Vampires' Balance Emblem"

Lets take for example a normal human speed to reach point a to point b would take 10 seconds, if he was slowed down 80% he would reach it in 50 seconds.. Now if we use Chaos speed, he would reach that same point in 1 second, if he was slowed down 80% he would reach it in 5 seconds, which is still twice as fast as regular speed

Doubt it, Omega WEAPON is tough, the only way Chaos was able to kill it was because he did a nuke that was so powerful it caused a plantery quake, on the INSIDE of Omega, Omega also has a tough barrier, that even chaos had a tough time getting through, i dont think lightning would even phase the weakest of WEAPONs let alone Omega

ofcourse there is, he would teleport, he doesnt have to walk there, he could teleport right on top of the thing, thus the beauty of actually being able to teleport in comparison with having to move quickly

Also, to TK he would have to first of all be able to see him, i dont think he can follow Chaos' speed, he also has to lift up his hand, whereas before Kain even lifts up his hand he'll realize Chaos isnt there anymore, and his arm just got blown off.

imo Chaos is weak and pathetic, he only has speed and a big gun

imo, Kain isnt tough at all, he depends too much on his reaver, what would happen if someone took his reaver away from him? Haha that would be funny

Originally posted by Terryc250
Raziel doesnt have infinite energy.. he needs to feed on souls to sustain himself

Why do you think that in canon the reaver doesnt need to be charged? It even says "Kain could only start to [b]charge the Reaver once he found this first, central fragment of the Vampires' Balance Emblem"

Lets take for example a normal human speed to reach point a to point b would take 10 seconds, if he was slowed down 80% he would reach it in 50 seconds.. Now if we use Chaos speed, he would reach that same point in 1 second, if he was slowed down 80% he would reach it in 5 seconds, which is still twice as fast as regular speed

Doubt it, Omega WEAPON is tough, the only way Chaos was able to kill it was because he did a nuke that was so powerful it caused a plantery quake, on the INSIDE of Omega, Omega also has a tough barrier, that even chaos had a tough time getting through, i dont think lightning would even phase the weakest of WEAPONs let alone Omega

He was spitting power out in every direction even midgar which was miles away was getting destroyed, teleporting near omega would reduce kain to nothing.

Also, to TK he would have to first of all be able to see him, i dont think he can follow Chaos' speed, he also has to lift up his hand, whereas before Kain even lifts up his hand he'll realize Chaos isnt there anymore, and his arm just got blown off.

Well then obviously you havent been watching the videos ive posted, if you watched all of them from beginning to end, you would actually see some of there powers.

imo, Kain isnt tough at all, he depends too much on his reaver, what would happen if someone took his reaver away from him? Haha that would be funny [/B]

no he doesnt, he only has to take souls if he is harmed, it regenrates his body

thats gameplay, and second, thats the blood reaver.....not the soul reaver, you dont have the soul reaver until the end which you dont charge and you fight the EG with it

which is nothing on kain speed and besides, this is assumption, i was using that as an exemple of how the reaver slows its enemies, no matter how fast they go, they always get slowed in time so kain tools them, kain also seems to speed up a little

well what you think is besides the point, its what we know and we dont know Omega would be immune to a lightning bolt of kains in his eye but it doesnt matter, Kain has to kill weiss, does Weiss control this thing? what happens if Weiss is dead? does the omega weapon stop? and Chaos killed the whole of it with a Nuke, if kain kept on slashing at its head, it would eventually fall, kain could just fire a time bolt at the thing, id like to see that great lump dodge a time bolt

what makes you think it would reduce kain to nothing? Chaos did not get reduced to nothing and kain could become mist, the very air itself was not atomsing into nothingness, kain could become mist, go into the creature and destroy it from the inside, kain has too many powers for this thing to do anything about

not really...what makes you think his hand would be blown off before he realises.....kain will just raise his hand and chaos will be in the air, depending especially on how far away they are from eachother, combine that with the fact theres no way any of them will one hit kain, hes not slow enough to be blitzed and not weak enough to be killed, impaleing him and chopping parts off him, will be no use, kain will raise his arm and Chaos will be stuck in TK shackles

ive seen their powers, their not as impressive mainly because they take ages to do most of their greatest powers, the only thing slightly impressive is their speed but all the high powered explosions take them time

depends too much on his reaver? without the reaver he has:

cant die
a good few tonnes in strength
high endurance, can have heart ripped out and is barely phased or damaged
can do all the spells ive shown you on that site, none of those are from the reaver....

the reaver however is an incredible power, it would be funny to see sephiroth without his sword, or Chaos fight kain with just his hands lol

its just lucky Furion has taken away the shield and some of the other powers lest the whole gauntlet get tooled so bad

I think it was Omega that controled Weiss actually. Omega used Weiss's body as a means to stop Chaos Vincent from stopping Omega.
How many times Must I say this, Chaos will be going to fast and too far away for Kain to TK them.

Originally posted by Furion
I think it was Omega that controled Weiss actually. Omega used Weiss's body as a means to stop Chaos Vincent from stopping Omega.
How many times Must I say this, Chaos will be going to fast and too far away for Kain to TK them.

wtf, too fast and too far away? your giving kain more and more time to do what he wants to do....if their going far away that gives time the split second he needs to Dimension into spectoral realm...after that....either one of them, Weis/chaos can be dead...

Kain could just go invisible and TK from nowhere, and their not that fast, how many times do i have to say this, speed does not determine TK, it doesnt mean anything to a mind attack, its not a projectile this mind attack

kain woul just wave his hand and Chaos is under kains influence and stuck in the air in TK chains, unable to do anything

For TKing you have to concentrate on the being. Chaos and Weiss would be going to fast. Never the Less I believe Kain beats them 7/10.

Originally posted by Furion
For TKing you have to concentrate on the being. Chaos and Weiss would be going to fast. Never the Less I believe Kain beats them 7/10.

i think they would have to be incredibly lucky to beat Kain, he would have to let them do their stuff and they would have to be perfect ,they would have to keep slicing and not let kain move which is difficult considering hes not slouch either but as i said he doesnt need to concentrate, when he does it to moebius he isnt even trying, nor when he does it to the sarafan soldier, you basing your TK knowledhe of kain off of Blood omen 2? hes gained a lot more power in Tk since then and now he has the mind emblem i wouldnt be surprised if he completly raped their minds, bodies and if they had it, souls...their speed will only anger kain like a gnat on a man