Kain vs Team Supreme

Teleportation, true one, shouldn't have an afterimage. If it's present (like in situation with K's Blackout and many, many other cases from fighting games, SF also has lots of said "teleports"😉 it's most likely speedup and not teleportation.
Vergil teleports without afterimages, so does Dante with Darkslayer style (Trickster has some halfass teleporting move which can, honestly, be what you claim).
Also you're right with Dante's fireball-uppercut hand to hand moveset aka personalized version of Jeet Kune Do be inspired by Street Fighter.

It's not the afterimages that I'm referring too only. It's the way it's done as well. A quick forward movement indicates Dante/Vergil is propelling himself forward. He only disappears after gaining some ground, that seems to me like super speed. Similar to Yang's [Third Strike] Kaioh.

Originally posted by Classic NES
It's not the afterimages that I'm referring too only. It's the way it's done as well. A quick forward movement indicates Dante/Vergil is propelling himself forward. He only disappears after gaining some ground, that seems to me like super speed. Similar to Yang's [Third Strike] Kaioh.

Originally posted by Furion
Prove it couldn't do anything to Pyron. Kain is a tiny fleck compared to Pyron but he can possess Pyron? Nega-Lifestream is basically a lot of energy with J-Cells mixed to corrupt that energy. Pyron absorbs energy. He absorbs Nega-Lifestream then Seph possesses PYron and boots Kain out of Pyron's head.

because the Negative lifestream is based around what? its all about lifestream energy in beings to take them over, when has Nega lifestream taken anything over anyway, also Kains magic is based around possesing the spirit a being or the mind if using mind control, the size of a being does not make a diffrence in these attributes wheras Negative lifestream would be a tiny thing, second its like a projectile in theory only like a floating black cloud and to pyron it wouldnt be anything at all, he could just outreach it and smash sephiroth

kain wont be in pyrons head....

Originally posted by Estacado
Dante can't teleport?haermm
Then wtf is he doing when he is using the trickster style?

who said he couldnt teleport?

Originally posted by Classic NES
Pyron's weak against magic, since when? Losing to Dimitri doesn't necessarily mean he's weak against magic.

well how else can it be? Demitri uses mostly magic powers, so unless you implying Demtri simply beat him into Submission, which is unlikely, pyron seems to be a physical powerhouse always, even if not massive size

also he certainly doesnt have resistence to such magics so its a moot point

Originally posted by Rewmac
Well, not. Dante uses the trickster style to seemingly teleport short distances. well Virgil is arguable. But he moves at the speed not visible to human eyes when doing the particular attack. Also the darkslayer style also includes an upward teleportation when enemy is hit in the air.

The aerial teleportation in Darkslayer and Air Trick seems more like tactical teleportation. Also notice that while Dante has plenty of moves clearly stated as moving on superspeed (i/e/ Sky Star) while Vergil doesn't run as it is. His moveset is clearly stated to be tactical teleportation.
Also notice that Dante's supposing teleport cutscenes (frm DMC2 and DMC4) all happen by the time he has mastered Darkslayer style with its tactical teleportation.

Originally posted by Rewmac
Well, not. Dante uses the trickster style to seemingly teleport short distances. well Virgil is arguable. But he moves at the speed not visible to human eyes when doing the particular attack. Also the darkslayer style also includes an upward teleportation when enemy is hit in the air.

Couldn't just be considered really fast jumping. I agree that Vergils is debatable, but it seems like a really fast speed blitz.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Couldn't just be considered really fast jumping. I agree that Vergils is debatable, but it seems like a really fast speed blitz.

No, if it was like that it'd be more like flying than jumping and we all know neither Dante nor Vergil can fly in human form (Lucifer's metal wings don't count). So that's still tactical teleport.

In their human forms defy gravity with double jumps.

@ BT

He doesn't have to have resistance to magic to survive encounter with it. Your claiming he's susceptible to magic because he lost to demitri. But, he never showed any weakness towards it. considering he defeated several Makai. He even effected Bishimons magical energy with his powers alone.

Originally posted by Classic NES

@ BT

He doesn't have to have resistance to magic to survive encounter with it. Your claiming he's susceptible to magic because he lost to demitri. But, he never showed any weakness towards it. considering he defeated several Makai. He even effected Bishimons magical energy with his powers alone.

he does if its something like soul possesion or mind control or spells that may not even be in DS at all, theres no reason why he could resist them, their not physical attacks either, their an effect, you either resist it, or are taken by it..and Pyron has nothing to defend him against something like these spells

All you need to resist mental attacks or poisoning from evil aura is a dark heart yourself. It's not really, just psychic abilities. As for soul suck, it depends on the level. Pyron couldn't resist an attack from say Jedah, but that's why he's weaker. You don't really need magic to perform super natural abilities. In Pyrons case, he's evolved into a cosmic being.

Originally posted by Burning thought
because the Negative lifestream is based around what? its all about lifestream energy in beings to take them over, when has Nega lifestream taken anything over anyway, also Kains magic is based around possesing the spirit a being or the mind if using mind control, the size of a being does not make a diffrence in these attributes wheras Negative lifestream would be a tiny thing, second its like a projectile in theory only like a floating black cloud and to pyron it wouldnt be anything at all, he could just outreach it and smash sephiroth

Originally posted by Classic NES
All you need to resist mental attacks or poisoning from evil aura is a dark heart yourself. It's not really, just psychic abilities. As for soul suck, it depends on the level. Pyron couldn't resist an attack from say Jedah, but that's why he's weaker. You don't really need magic to perform super natural abilities. In Pyrons case, he's evolved into a cosmic being.

hmm a dark heart resists mental attacks? and your talking about what now, an evil aura?.......dude that doesnt make any sense

soul suck is not allowed in this fight, kain does not "suck" souls, the reaver does, kain does not...he cannot from jedah but from another? why so....this does not have any proof behind it, Pyrons soul has never showned defence, infact no one in DS has from my knowledge, no one has resisted having their souls ripped

Originally posted by Furion
1. ummm, When Kadaj dumped that tiny amount of J-Cells on himself, he turned into Sephiroth. Also earlier in the film, Cloud's eyes turn into Seph's eyes for a sec or two.
2. Sephiroth can just abandon his body. Pyron can't touch him then. Then he can just shove the Nega-Lifestream right up Pyron's ass and possess him.

1. Kadaj is not a sun sized load of energy, when has it ever effected energy?

2. show me this abandon his body while still doing things please

Sephiroth is not possessing anyone, hes going down hard

Also the Lifestream would be inside Pyron, therefore hes got Lifestream in him🙂

Only Kain can possess in this match no one else1111!!!!

Ummm, THE FVCKING LIFESTREAM! Seph just being in the Lifestream and having everyone with Geo-stigma die infected the Lifestream into the Nega-Lifestream. I don't give a damn how big Pyron is, a Virus is so fvcking small, how does it kill you? IT SPREADS! Even better since Pyron is made out of energy, It will simply spread through Pyron like Wild fire.
At the end of the fight, Seph abadoned Kadaj's body.

Originally posted by Burning thought

Sephiroth is not possessing anyone, hes going down hard

How is Kain gonna possess Pyron? At the last Kain we've seen was never doing it. In Blood Omen he might have used that but last time we've seen him in the Legacy Of Kain he wasn't possessing shit.

How is he going to beat the strongest demon there is? The Sparda form of Dante which defeated Mundus (the ruler of hell, creator of evil). And that wasn't the full experienced Dante.

Raziel with all of his power would alone beat Kain.

Kratos with all his powers???? God Of War. Size manipulation, power of the titans, power of the gods, the blades. Raziel alone ripped Kain's heart out easily. The limbs of Kain won't grow back. If his head is cut he dies. Why? He won't be turning into bats and shit. Use logic. Raziel can't die until he can possess bodies plus the Elder God just can keep brining him back.

You fail again and again...

Originally posted by Rewmac
How?

How is Kain gonna possess Pyron? At the last Kain we've seen was never doing it. In Blood Omen he might have used that but last time we've seen him in the Legacy Of Kain he wasn't possessing shit.

How is he going to beat the strongest demon there is? The Sparda form of Dante which defeated Mundus (the ruler of hell, creator of evil). And that wasn't the full experienced Dante.

Raziel with all of his power would alone beat Kain.

Kratos with all his powers???? God Of War. Size manipulation, power of the titans, power of the gods, the blades. Raziel alone ripped Kain's heart out easily. The limbs of Kain won't grow back. If his head is cut he dies. Why? He won't be turning into bats and shit. Use logic. Raziel can't die until he can possess bodies plus the Elder God just can keep brining him back.

You fail again and again...

he uses spirit wrack, thats how, and so what if he doesnt use it in the last game....that does not mean anything at all

strongest Demon in his universe you mean. Simple, he would time bolt, mind control, soul control, soul blast or simply impale the guy

...lol Raziel......youve lost it....i think you better run and catch your marbles, their flying across the floor

And can you prove Kratos soul is immune?....all those things are lovely, just lovely but is his soul immune? no.......definaltey not and hes slow, he wont catch something that can teleport too far for him to reach and he wont do much after Pyron starts mushing him

ive not failed once, i cant fail again...and your just being a kid carrying on with that old gnawring of the bone

Too bad that Dante has shown resistance to soul based stuff and Kain is simply too slow for him no to mention he can't be hurt in super sparda mode.....

Originally posted by Estacado
Too bad that Dante has shown resistance to soul based stuff and Kain is simply too slow for him no to mention he can't be hurt in super sparda mode.....

in gameplay supersparda mode....in super sparda mode that has a time limit due to his DMC energy, and his resistence was to a tiny orb in DMC 3 with unkown soul capability and only drained his soul, AND it gave him power...the reaver wont give him any power, and Kain wont either, nor will he drain, hell just punt Dantes soul out of him

not that he needs to do that with Dante, hell just get his good ol m8 Pyron to do it for him, or simply make Dante his finger puppet with TK, Dante does not resist TK naturally, and ive still seen no real proof for direct mind resistence just him resisting succubus charms

He has infinite DT in this match.....
Kain hasn't done anything impressive with tk besides throwing around some humans hell he can't even lift the larger demons with it.......so you fail.
You have no proof that he can possess Pyron.👇
Also not even the bossess most powerful attacks can push or move Dante in Sparda form but Kain will?Fail.