Originally posted by Faunus
A couple of things:1) Quey'tek isn't "looping out of the Force," as you put it. It simply makes detection by a Force-user less likely. It's a stealth technique, not a defenseive one, as it requires concentration and can be broken or breached by distractions or skilled individuals, respectively. Case in point, Ventress toyed with Obi-Wan using the ability in CD, and Dooku was located by him and Skywalker in LoE.
I'm not saying the ability you described doesn't exist, but it's not Quey'tek.2) The power that you are describing - if I'm interpreting it correctly - would be a double-edged sword. If Sidious is willingly cutting himself off from the Force to escape Nihilus' fatal drain, then he also loses access to his arsenal of powers, at which point he becomes defenseless and gets skewered instantly.
Unless you're argument's as flimsy as it looks from here - which I doubt it is - fill me in on the details before you continue.3) Nihilus' lack of eyes is so far from a valid argument it's not even funny. While he sees primarily on a cosmic scale, the fact that he holds "conversations" with Visas and later duels the Exile is clear evidence that he can sense the individual as well, especially one as powerful as Palpatine.
4) Much of the pro-Sidious argument hinges on the newer Sith somehow being able to immediately discern that Nihilus is some Force-sucking monster, hop out of the Force to evade an attack that he magically knows is coming, and manage without a connection to the Force to slaughter both of the KotOR Sith without breaking a sweat. Can't say that works for me.
Chances are that Palpatine isn't walking out of this one alive, and thank you Escape for coming to that conclusion yourself.
~ Upon looking at the thread again to make sure that last statement was accurate, I saw that this was RotS Sidious - I thought it was the DE incarnation. In that case, he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell.
Originally posted by Gideon
This is not Return of the Jedi-era Palpatine. This is Revenge of the Sith-era Palpatine. Palpatine did use Quey'tek during the prequel trilogy as a measure to cloak his powers from the Jedi Order. Furthermore, I am not trying to contend that it involves "disconnecting one's self" from the Force, but it does erase one's Force signature. The others are right: Nihilus would not be able to sense Palpatine through the Force
Quite untrue.
He hid his force sensitivity from the Jedi, he did not mask his actual presence in the force. There's a difference. The first is dictated by his midi-chlorian count, the second is dictated by the force energies that run through the matter throughout his body.
There is no such thing as a "Looping technique," -- it's made up gibberish -- and for the rest of your post: please read through what I've been saying carefully this time. A being's Force sensitivity does not have any effect on the Force energies that run through his body. They aren't derived from the same source, and have no real relationship. Understand that.
Well, perhaps there is a way for Darth Sidious to emerge victorious in this debacle after all. My gratitude to Nikkolas for inadvertantly giving me this quote:
Canderous: If he’s so powerful, why hasn’t he stopped us, then?Tobin: It is because he sees planets, stars...not people. To him, the planet below, the station with its teeming life, only that is massive enough to demand his attention.
...So, assuming that Darth Sidious makes use of Quey'tek, he can shield his considerable sensitivity to the Force from Darth Nihilus and Darth Sion; leaving only his "life energy" as Nebaris corrected me on. But that's clearly not enough for Nihilus to detect. So, assuming Sidious goes for Nihilus first, he can slay the Sith Lord and then turn to Sion.
Sidious might very well win.
there is not only Krayt's quote, there is his description of Nihilus mask:
"You have taken this trophy from the remains of Darth Nihilus - it is the last surviving piece of the beast who died and was reborn in the shattered world of Malachor V."
Visas herself says he is "He is a wound in the Force, more presence than flesh" and Kreia says "he is already dead"
Originally posted by 666.1
There is no such thing as a "Looping technique," -- it's made up gibberish -- and for the rest of your post: please read through what I've been saying carefully this time. A being's Force sensitivity does not have any effect on the Force energies that run through his body. They aren't derived from the same source, and have no real relationship. Understand that.
We call it the looping technique because that's what it is. You hide your presence in the force while maintaining the force powers... Try again.