Punisher vs Wolverine

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Has Wolverine been around Atlanteans before wouldnt he know they have a unique scent?

He's been around Namor before, who isn't theexact same physiologically has his counterparts.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well they were in humanform and when Wolverine fought Janus he said whos this token black male superhero with Luke Cages powers.....I mean he said whos this black guy. The only strange thing he fought about the guy was that he had powers and im sure Wolverine has been around Atlanteans and would know they would have a unique scent.

In anycase, I think once again, you're reaching if you think this one example assuming it's suitable takes precedence over the others.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Help me out, he can sense Cyber from the mountains but cant sense DP across the street?

Upwind, downwind, inside, outside.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well he gives Wolverine enough hassle without prep I guess even with that equipment and Ihrs prep Wolverine will still win the majority.

The only time he ever gave Wolverine hassle for long was in an ENNIS book, even then he acknowledged Wolverine was kicking his ass.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No I dont actually saying he knows is a stupid excuse because if his senses are as accurate as you described he would knopw proximity. Even if he was distracted it doesnt take that much to distract him.

It doesn't take much to distract him when he's fighting other Supers of which Punisher has.... NONE. 😐

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well he did say his HF hasnt been this worse in years, he also got put down by getting his huts blown off and in the 80s hes been dropped by a bullet to the leg by the Punisher.

Wrong.

He said his HF wasn't what it was in years.. How would he know? He hadn't fought anyone since his new deal with Azreal yet, and the only reason he even had to doubt his healing factor was because Azreal said he couldn't guarantee it would be as strong.

He's been shot in the brain and was getting up immediately, got a whole blown in him large enough to see his ribcage and was walkin around like nothing happened, and if Origins is any indication, his HF's fine.

The bullet thing, he was getting shot with full auto by 5 men long enough to recognize that he was going to "count every bullet" so we know he didn't go down right away.

What are you talking about? Red Hood shot his nuts off and he sent Hood running anyways.

And Logan wasn't anything but slowed down by that sniper shot, as soon as his adrenaline kicked up so did his HF, Pun hit him point blank with that shotty blast and in the next panel the damage was gone.😐

eternal idol:
dude frank beat him on two occassions WITHOUT prep. a full swing baseball bat to the crotch was one down he got on him. and then there was the beloved stream roller. with prep was the rocket launcher.

and the fight that logan won against frank was also full of crap writing. apparently the writer and the artist don't know that having three grenades blowing at your feet does a lot more than putting little cuts on your jacket funny how the logan fanboys don't bring that up....even when i adressed it. all i get is that its the artist's fault😬

and here's a scenario. frank distracts logan, shoots with him a grenade launcher like he did before and while logan is looking at his entrails around him he and his lower body missing, frank comes with a large bat and beats him on the head until he passes out.

not pis. certain win. happened once before. could happen again.

without prep, frank can't win 9/10. we all know it. no one's denying it. we're still denying it even though he was actually the one who walked away despite logan getting the drop.
with prep, frank has a good chance of winning considering he doesn't do too bad WITHOUT prep.

and despite all the BS i hear from people, i still think frank wasn't wtfpwned in that fight considering that he made logan work for it. and that's saying a lot when you're a humanbeing against a mutant with unbreakable metal as a skeleton, sharp claws and our favorite healing factor....along with almost a century of experience, MA training and military training. all this when frank's pushing 60.
please.

Originally posted by Sado22
eternal idol:
dude frank beat him on two occassions WITHOUT prep. a full swing baseball bat to the crotch was one down he got on him. and then there was the beloved stream roller. with prep was the rocket launcher.

actaully Logan was not beat not to mention in controdicts times when he taken much worses and was one of the dumbest story arcs.

Umm how does the steam roller count? They were on the same side and punisher had out side help.

the rocket launcher? besides the fact it was god awful inaccurate potrail of spiderman wolverine hulk ect. Logan was not put down or KOed.

actaully Logan was not beat not to mention in controdicts times when he taken much worses and was one of the dumbest story arcs.

Umm how does the steam roller count? They were on the same side and punisher had out side help.

the rocket launcher? besides the fact it was god awful inaccurate potrail of spiderman wolverine hulk ect. Logan was not put down or KOed.

oh and congrads, this thread has officially crossed the 50-page mark!!
🤘

Originally posted by Sado22
and he's been downed by less too 🙂

Originally posted by Sado22
like soljer and phantom and i pointed out several times by now:
wolverine's abilities are shown according to who is writing and are VERY inconsistent

Logan actually quite consistent with his healing factor and other abilities. .

Originally posted by Sado22
steamroller counts cuz he put him down. and knocked him out.

Also they were not even fighting at the time. The were teaming up.

Originally posted by Sado22
keep spidey and DD and hulk out of this.

Originally posted by Sado22
logan was put down...in fact he was pasted to the pavement.

Not the majority of the time he no/quote]
so you admit that HE HAS been put down my less. good.

[quote]That was his senses not his other attributes. Logan actually quite consistent with his healing factor and other abilities.

He was not knocked out. Have you even read the issue? Also they were not even fighting at the time. The were teaming up.

ctaully he was standing and not put down.

You do realize that Garth Ennis is well known for taking a piss on superheroes right?

His books that involve other characters are so much of a joke that Frank Tieri hinted at Punisher being gay in the follow up to punisher 16 and 17.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=990

http://wolverine.x-knights.com/wolverine186.html

So if you want to talk about inconsistency lets talk about writers who are notorious for not handling characters well contributing to the problem, shall we?

Originally posted by Creshosk
You do realize that Garth Ennis is well known for taking a piss on superheroes right?

His books that involve other characters are so much of a joke that Frank Tieri hinted at Punisher being gay in the follow up to punisher 16 and 17.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=990

http://wolverine.x-knights.com/wolverine186.html

So if you want to talk about inconsistency lets talk about writers who are notorious for not handling characters well contributing to the problem, shall we?

...Bro Punisher has done well against Wolverine without Einnis writing.

Stop with the bro stuff.

Originally posted by phoney
Stop with the bro stuff.

ok bro. 😄

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
...Bro Punisher has done well against Wolverine without Einnis writing.

Einnis shows no respect for the guest stars in his book, they're usually poorly characterized, powers and abilities are ignored and so the guest stars are usully treated like shit.

While Einnis's stuff may be good without the guest stars, they show off Garth's weakness as a writer: Other people's characters.

Punisher's done well against Wolverine? Great! Wolverine's done good against Punisher and guys above Punisher's level.

But I don't expect you of all people to listen to the possability that Punisher would lose! I mean god forbid such an atrocity against one who can take on Apokalips and the DCU eh?

Originally posted by Creshosk
AS long as people keep brining up Einnis's trash I'll keep taking it out. 🙂

Einnis shows no respect for the guest stars in his book, they're usually poorly characterized, powers and abilities are ignored and so the guest stars are usully treated like shit.

While Einnis's stuff may be good without the guest stars, they show off Garth's weakness as a writer: Other people's characters.

Punisher's done well against Wolverine? Great! Wolverine's done good against Punisher and guys above Punisher's level.

But I don't expect you of all people to listen to the possability that Punisher would lose! I mean god forbid such an atrocity against one who can take on Apokalips and the DCU eh?

*sigh*

If Punisher can do well against Wolverine without Einnis it means that the Einnis writing was not crap.

He beat him with a baseball to the balls right?

Yeah thats crap.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
*sigh*

If Punisher can do well against Wolverine without Einnis it means that the Einnis writing was not crap.

Did you not read what was written both here and in the links I listed?

Einnis's writing was crap, just because someone else has punisher do well does not mean that its not crap. And I didn't say the punisher doing well was what made it crap. I said the poor characterization, the misuse(or lack thereof) of powers, were ampong the things that made his writing crap.

And that's not just my opinion either if you read the link. That was also the opinion of the guy who was in charge of Wolverine at the time's opinion. Garth handled Wolverine poorly. That makes it crap.

But hey if you want to be anal rentetive and keep using this crap as your primary offensive be my guest... but please remember to wash your hands afterwards.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Pssh, that's poor reasoning.

Did you not read what was written both here and in the links I listed?

Einnis's writing was crap, just because someone else has punisher do well does not mean that its not crap. And I didn't say the punisher doing well was what made it crap. I said the poor characterization, the misuse(or lack thereof) of powers, were ampong the things that made his writing crap.

And that's not just my opinion either if you read the link. That was also the opinion of the guy who was in charge of Wolverine at the time's opinion. Garth handled Wolverine poorly. That makes it crap.

But hey if you want to be anal rentetive and keep using this crap as your primary offensive be my guest... but please remember to wash your hands afterwards.

There were no misuse of powers thats been explained......

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
...Bro Punisher has done well against Wolverine without Einnis writing.

no really.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
There were no misuse of powers thats been explained......

Did you catch where I mentioned that his orks are being critisized over more than just Wolverine?

Tell me this, he gets his face blown off, and that pain doesn't phaze him.. baseball bat to the nuts does?

Even within his OWN work its inconsistent. It's like the guy doesn't know how to handle other characters... but this is the guy who wrote "Punisher kills the Marvel Universe" so its really not too surprising.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You're not really good at this hole paying attention/reading comprehension thing are you?

Did you catch where I mentioned that his orks are being critisized over more than just Wolverine?

Actually thats my point. Einnis gave good reasons as to why DD and Spiderman could have been beaten.

Originally posted by Creshosk

Tell me this, he gets his face blown off, and that pain doesn't phaze him.. baseball bat to the nuts does?

Wolverine did say this about his nuts "Theres no adamantuim down there." Thats your explanation.

Originally posted by Creshosk

Even within his OWN work its inconsistent. It's like the guy doesn't know how to handle other characters... but this is the guy who wrote "Punisher kills the Marvel Universe" so its really not too surprising.

He still gave legit reasons for why DD, Spiderman and Wolverine lost in CoD.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Actually thats my point. Einnis gave good reasons as to why DD and Spiderman could have been beaten.

I have a feeling the responses I get back won't be a very good reason.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Wolverine did say this about his nuts "Theres no adamantuim down there." Thats your explanation.

Then there also the fact he taken a nut shot and not eben dropped as well, but of courses we must uses logan at his lowest ennis showings..........

not to mention ennis controdicts his own crap.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
He still gave legit reasons for why DD, Spiderman and Wolverine lost in CoD.

really what was the reason? I love to hear it. Becuases I read the issue and it was god awful. Completely ignored there abilities and gave really no logical reason for why they lost.