This is exactly what I'm saying. You are afraid of dumbledores power so you are trying to limit him to only about 6 spells when in actuality he can use hundreds.
Well I'm not going to stand by and let you make a mockery of dumbledore by saying he can only use 6 spells. This wizard this extraordinarily powerful wizard can use hundreds of spells starting with the two to keep his wand then he will use any other of the hundreds of spells at his disposal.
And don't you dare say well if that the case yoda can use force lightning bullshit. Yoda has been explicitly shown that he can't use dark side abilities. If he could we would have seen them since the situation he was in did indeed call for it. He is also the purest Jedi of the entire saga. With that title means he can't use force abilities that belong to the dark side everyone but you and other idiots apparently understand that. So don't say yoda can use lightning crush or any other ability since he can't use them.
Also don't you say I'm making yoda stay in character. This dude is using physical attacks in this battle we have never seen him use it ain any battle in the movies, especially without his lightsaber, but he can still use them so with that logic dumbledore can use the hundreds of spells at his command even though we haven't seen him exclusively use them himself in the movies.
You have humiliated dumbledore and thus Harry Potter. You disgust me with your double standards and your stupidty. You have gone out of your way to avoid my points and not even try and counter them. "Yoda will TK his wand" is not a valid response. You are no longer or ever were worth my time, I don't get why I wasted my time with you.
So bottom line Dumbledore wins
End of discussion between me and you. You have lost.
Originally posted by Silent Master
All you're doing is crying that you should be allowed to argue Dumbledore fights out-of-character, while Yoda isn't allowed to use abilities that he's actually shown using in fights.IOW, you know that Yoda wins, you just don't like it.
Oh forgive if I stopped yoda from using force lightning or force crush abilities we all know he can't use now telekenisis as of now because of you I don't give a rats ass how powerful they are as whenever he does dumbledore can just apparate out of the way and dumbledore shoots a spell therefore battle over and if he try's to ragdoll him dumbledore can just return it in kind with his own spells
Dumbledore wins
Originally posted by Silent Master
Nice strawman, but all I've ever said Yoda would use is tk and speed, both of which he has used multiple times..your argument however is based on Dumbledore using spells in combat that he's never been shown to use.Yoda wins.
You are downgrading dumbledore which is not cool and sense when has he used either of those to win a battle in the movies never that's when
As of the movies his biggest feats are throwing a senate pod back at sidious and force pushing him when he was overconfident so as of the movies his powers are not as powerful as you make them out to be, and also he needed to concentrate or it took him a a second to use and this I seen whenever he uses his force abilities in that manner, it takes him a while and he makes it look as though he is having strain and I can provide a clip to prove this. dumbledores powers and abilities are implied throughout the series. So I really don't care what you say, dumbledore can and will use those abilities against yoda.
Dumbledore wins
Originally posted by Silent Master
You're ignoring the fact that per feats Yoda is faster, which means that Dumbledore's wand will be tk'd and then he'll be facing someone with multi-ton level tk that is faster than him.Until you post a valid counter argument, Yoda wins.
You are ignoring dumbledores variety so until you acknowledge his variety official I, sticking with the agreement that yodas power is not as great as you as per feats dumbledore could do his feats
1. Shoot a pod at dumbledore. He will either turn it into sand or any other objects or stop it with his own telekenisis
2. Dumbledore could knock palpatine back even if palpatine had his force wall up
And dumbledore wins until you post a valid counter argument
Originally posted by Silent Master
I'm not ignoring anything, Dumbledore's versatility isn't going to make him fast enough to avoid having his wand tk'd, which would leave him to face someone that has a speed edge and multi-ton level tk.As you still haven't posted a valid counter, Yoda wins.
Ok you finally admit dumbledores versatility finally now with that before even entering the ring he has his in hand and has already used those spells and will use his variety to transfigure, vaporize, torture, or flat out kill yoda
Dumbledore wins
Once again, I have to point out that Dumbledore doesn't have prep so he won't be applying any spells before the fight and BTW I've never denied that Dumbledore was versatile, however that versatility doesn't make him fast enough to avoid having his wand tk'd, thus he will be wandless and facing someone that is faster and has multi-ton level tk.
Yoda wins.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Once again, I have to point out that Dumbledore doesn't have prep so he won't be applying any spells before the fight and BTW I've never denied that Dumbledore was versatile, however that versatility doesn't make him fast enough to avoid having his wand tk'd, thus he will be wandless and facing someone that is faster and has multi-ton level tk.Yoda wins.
He always has his wand in hand and plus they do t know each other or what the other can do so again his wand to yoda is as worthless as his cane is in battle and that's what magic does it makes up for physical short comings that's what the massive versatility is for
Dumbledore wins
Dumbledore having the wand in his hand doesn't matter as Yoda is faster, thus he tk's the wand before Dumbles can cast any spells, which in turn means that a wandless Dumbledore will be facing a character that is faster than he is and has multi-ton level tk.
Yoda wins. no amount of you repeating "versatility" is going to change the fact that per feats Yoda is faster and thus will easily be able to tk Dumbles wand before any spells are cast.
Originally posted by StealthRanger
So what corner had EmporerShitius2 been kicked into now?
I think that his massive Potter hardon drew too much blood from his brain, and affected his ability to think properly. He still hasn't even bothered trying to address the fact that Jedi well below Yoda (in fact, he trained the person who trained one of them) has onscreen displays of speed which would allow them to blitz Dumbledore before he could do more than blink. And force speed is not a dark side power, so none of his "inability to use it" nonsense can counter it either. The fact that he is also constantly trying to drag the books into the argument shows that he can't even debate via forum rules.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Dumbledore having the wand in his hand doesn't matter as Yoda is faster, thus he tk's the wand before Dumbles can cast any spells, which in turn means that a wandless Dumbledore will be facing a character that is faster than he is and has multi-ton level tk.I like how you ignore the fact that dumbledore always has his wand in hand and thus would already have used the wand. I also like how you ignore that even though the two know each You still BELEIVE that yoda would immediantly go for the wand. It's just so precious.
Yoda wins. no amount of you repeating "versatility" is going to change the fact that per feats Yoda is faster and thus will easily be able to tk Dumbles wand before any spells are cast.
Dumbledore wins. Due to versatility.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I think that his massive Potter hardon drew too much blood from his brain, and affected his ability to think properly. He still hasn't even bothered trying to address the fact that Jedi well below Yoda (in fact, he trained the person who trained one of them) has onscreen displays of speed which would allow them to blitz Dumbledore before he could do more than blink. And force speed is not a dark side power, so none of his "inability to use it" nonsense can counter it either. The fact that he is also constantly trying to drag the books into the argument shows that he can't even debate via forum rules.
Based on this post it seems your liking for Star Wars has affected your ability to read. I have acknowledged time and time again that yoda can move incredibly fast. I have addressed this already. How about you read ok. Anyway Magic is used to make up for a person lack of anything, physical lacking included. With his variety and power makes up for his lack of speed and less strenghth. I never said he couldn't use force speed, i said he couldn't use abilities such as force lightning. I have acknowledged that he can use force speed and force valor. When it comes down to Harry Potter I use the main source. And that lies within the books. Now per this argument Silent Master has acknowledged dumbledores versatility, and thus has acknowledged that any spell seen in books or movies is valid as they are all implied to dumbledores reputation in the movies. Yodas reputation is well earned but all he will have is telekenisis as for both telepathy is out of the question, any other telepathic power is out, and he can't use dark side abilities and dumbledore doesn't have any outside interference; potions, time turner, or any other magical object accept his wand. So this Yodas powerful telekenisis vs Dumbledores wide variety and I believe that variety trumps magnitude as dumbledore can just apparate out of the way of each blow and then return with a spell of his own and he doesn't need a wand to do apparition and as seen in the movies when he enters a deul he always has his wand in hand so he would use those two spells to keep his wand as they have never met before and they wouldn't just attack outrigh and attempt to take his wand as the two have never met and neither would attack outright giving dumbledore the time he needs to use those spells.