Originally posted by Silent Master
The comic vs board uses a starting distance of .5 kilometers and we tend to follow several of their rules as most of us post on both boards. Not that it matters much for Yoda as unlike HP magic the force has feats of being used over much longer distances.
Will agree that the force has many TK "feats" outside the max range of the more traditional HP spells. However, the distance would definitely allow D'dore the opportunitymto cast spells and not "lose the draw" as such is the main argument against him so far.
At 10-50 feet it is no contest. Yoda toases D'dore like a ragdoll as, by "feats" he is pretty much leagues better in reflex speed. And force precog will allow him to pretty much anticipate the danger of a wizard's wand IMO and simply easily rip the wand away.
At 500 meters, however, Yoda will need to quickly close the distance, alllowing Dumbledore the opportunity to at least loose some defensive or offensive spells. My main worry is something huge and impossible to dodge like the Fiendfyre he cast. Tho, I feel that Yoda would be able go easily disperse the energy or, better yet, pull/push Dumbledore into his own Fiendfyre.
I dunno. I know Yoda wins this, just not the way many are saying snd just not a stomp or a 10/10 win as Dunbledore will bet one or two shots out at least.
At that distance, there is no way any of Dumbledore's spells will actually hit Yoda as 1) Dumbledore has no accuracy feats to suggest he can hit anyone from that distance and 2) even if he did, the spells are so slow that normal humans have dodged them from close range.
Plus being that the force's range is much more than .5 kilometers, Dumbledore's wand can still be tk'd.
Originally posted by Silent Master
At that distance, there is no way any of Dumbledore's spells will actually hit Yoda as 1) Dumbledore has no accuracy feats to suggest he can hit anyone from that distance and 2) even if he did, the spells are so slow that normal humans have dodged them from close range.Plus being that the force's range is much more than .5 kilometers, Dumbledore's wand can still be tk'd.
Don't ever remember any force TK "feats" outside 500 meters other than Vader's choke.
Fienfyre uses an AoE approach. Dodgeable, at first, yes. But once it covers everything, there will be nowhere to go. Tho, like I said, much more likely that Yoda will use it against him.
Originally posted by Silent Master
The force choke is an application of tk and IIRC Vader has force choked someone on a different ship, that is way above .5 kilometers.
That's why I said "other than Vader's force choke".
Can't attribute other character's "feats" to another, tho. Especially since the force choke is Vader's specialty and may even be outside the range of even the most powerful masters.
Originally posted by Silent Master
There was nothing in the movie to indicate Vader's tk was more powerful than anyone else's, in-fact per feats Yoda's tk would be the more powerful as he lifted things that were far heavier than Vader ever did.
It's not about power. Vader just seemed to be able to extend his force choke to any range as long as he can see his target. This is special as it has (in my memory) never been demonstrated by any other jedi/sith in any of the movies. Should not be surprising as Vader was the poster boy of special cases in the movies.
Now if any other jedi in the movie has been able to extend his range like Vader has, then we'd have an argument.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I gave up trying to debate with Emperor about 5 pages ago
I understand how you feel about me and by debating for that I apologize but I have been watching the revenge of the sith with the commentary and I have found narration that I beleive proves my theory that palpatine threw the fight you don't have to debate if you don't want to but your thoughts would be grateful, thank you.
1. You've already heard my dooku commentary
2. Sidious knows padme is dieing and tells him the story of darth plaguis and then reveals he was the sith apprentice basically telling anakin that. Have the power to save her which he explicitly states when fighting mace
3. Lucas says that: " anakin knows that if the emperor is killed than there is no hope to save padme" he knows if he is killed she is going to die which drives him back to the emperors office.
4. Lucas says that Sidious PRETENDS to lose his powers and PRETENDS to look weak
5. That is the moment that anakins turn is decided
6. Sidious is a manipulative slimed intelligent character
Originally posted by Silent Master
There was nothing in the movie to indicate Vader's tk was more powerful than anyone else's, in-fact per feats Yoda's tk would be the more powerful as he lifted things that were far heavier than Vader ever did.
Well I know how you feel about me and my debating and I do apologize for it. This is my first real debate on this site so I am still learning the rules of this site.
Going off of what you say dumbledore wouldn't get ragdolled as we never see Yoda ragdoll anyone. We see him force push someone but never grab someone and just throw them around such as dooku did against anakin and obi wan.
Also dumbledore has no preferred mode of attack and with that he has no character to be into. Allow me to explain.
1. Dumbledore has only been in one deul in the movies
2. In said deul he was trying to protect Harry so we don't get to see him at his best as he is only on the defensive.
3. With that he actually can't be used out of character as he has no character as he does not have a solid way of reacting in battle
4. Yoda does as he has been seen in two battles
5. If Yoda were to speed blitz him couldn't he just use the spell in order of the Phoenix that turned all the shards of glass going at a fast speed dumbledore turned them into sand couldn't he do that as if Yoda is running couldn't he just whip out a quick one of those and as Yoda passes through it turn him into sand
As for your Yoda vs vader argument my view of it is that as an OVERALL force user Yoda would tear vader limb from limb since he has more experience with the force. However in terms of combative force abilities I would give the solid edge to vader as he throughout the purge fights Jedi with both the blade and his force abilities and with that he would gain just as much experience as Yoda would gain over his 800+ years. And also vader has more abilities at his disposal like force crush and choke. Abilities Yoda doesn't have. Even though his powers were drastically weakened after his defeat he rebuilt himself and became possibly a greater force than when he was a Jedi.