Yoda versus Dumbledore (the Force versus Hogwarts magic)

Originally posted by Silent Master
The fact that you can't post any clips of Dumbledore using those spells just proves my claim that you're having Dumbles act OOC.

The fact that you can't post any clips about yoda being as fast as you say proves my point that dumbledore will be able to just handily transfrom him into anything he wishes and actually with his reputation and what it means backing him all of the spells that branch form his reputation proves he can use those spells so stop making stuff up like saying dumbledore can't use those spells since we never see him use them in the movies his reputation follows hi into the movies look at his reputation if you can't debunk it I will consider you defeated and your argument debunked since you can't counter my points and this also proves that you know dumbledore will win because you are trying to take his power away while I freely told u if up yoda wants to use his physical abilities he can until a spell is used to stop him so I acknowledged that he can use physical attacks and his force powers are great but vs dumbledores variety and magnitude I just BELEIVE dumbledore wins you on the other hand have put dumbledore on such a small pedestal trying to take his powers this is how I know you know for a fact that dumbledore would win

YOU ARE THE REAL TROLL

So according to you if we have never seen him use a spell onscreen that automatically means he can use it? Is that what you are saying? So even a simple spell like wingardium Leviosa, a spell required to be taught to all 1st years, a simple spell described as a "rudimentary skill" by the teacher because we have never seen him use that spell that means he can't use it? Is that what you are saying?

I'm fairly sure that clips of Yoda's fights where he is flipping around at above regular human speed have already been posted, so your demands that they be posted again is rather disingenuous.

As it stands, Yoda has the speed and tk power to disarm Dumbledore and incapacitate him. IOW, Yoda wins for the reasons already posted.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I'm fairly sure that clips of Yoda's fights where he is flipping around at above regular human speed have already been posted, so your demands that they be posted again is rather disingenuous.

As it stands, Yoda has the speed and tk power to disarm Dumbledore and incapacitate him. IOW, Yoda wins for the reasons already posted.

Oh my how naive you are as of movie speed I feel confident that dumbledore has the variety and magnitude to counter yodas speed.His spells would definitely incapacitate yoda as seen in deathly Hallows part 2 there is a spell that can incapacitate beings.He cannot take his wand since his wand will always be right there in his hand and you didn't answer my previous question which means you concede that dumbledore will use all of the spells at his disposal which means that you agree that dumbledore wins since he has both the variety and the magnitude that yoda would be overwhelmed and couldn't counter as dumbledore could shoot multiple spells while yoda is still concentrated on fending off the first one. As it stands due to versatility and magnitude dumbledore wins this battle so magic triumphs over the force well HP Magic still magic triumphs over the force 💃

You're basically arguing that Dumbledore wins because he's Dumbledore, that isn't a valid argument.

Yoda wins via tk and speedblitz.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You're basically arguing that Dumbledore wins because he's Dumbledore, that isn't a valid argument.

Yoda wins via tk and speedblitz.

Well I'm not saying he wins because he's dumbledore he wins because his reputation tells us what spells he can use as the positions and accomplishments and grades and reconigtion he has received shows the he is a top notch duelist perfect in every area that deals with combat, very adaptable and very powerful with the statement that none could Match so its basically saying that his track record speak for itself and he is unmatched in his abilities by anyone in the potter world so anything else you say I won't take into consideration as you say the same thing over and over to no avail while all my points you just avoid so concession accepted

Goodbye you were a sorta worthy opponent

Except he wont be able to use those spells as Yoda tk's his wand and then speedblitzes him.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
First off, it's hard for yoda to that when he is being repeatedly shot at with different spells one that will make his arms the weight of jelly beans, cause him to explode, get drowned, burned alive, bleed to death, or many many other possibilities since dumbledore versatility allows this. You say that as if yoda weights a tremendous amount he weights less than the skinniest girl at hogwarts since there are different spells that can stop yoda from moving such as levicorpris which will hang yoda from his ankles or the spell used on Neville in either sorcerers stone or chamber of secrets, pertrificus total U.S. which freezes him, wimgardium leviosa which dumbledore could use to ragdoll dumbledore or impedimenta which can be used to levitate off balance or freeze a target and many other spells so yoda isn't the only one who ragdolls

Secondly, once a spell has been enacted such as those two spells once it's been enacted you don't have to concentrate on it spells such as that mind you so he can use any other spell he wishes. Dumbledore is the most powerful wizard to ever exist as his title so what makes you think he can't use any other spell not seen onscreen. He was the Head of the Transfiguration department thus has an ocean of transfiguration spells at his disposal, also he is known as a master duelist which mean he has a plethora of deuling pulls at his disposal as he was able to defeat grindlewald who was the true master of the elder wand a very impressive feat also he is known as the most powerful wizard of all time meaning he knows every spell in the book so what makes you think he can't use spells not seen on screen with all of that backing him explain that to me

Third. Not in yoda typical MO to use physical attacks against his opponents and dumbledore can again use his plethora of spells in order to defend himself against anything yoda can bring while yoda can't sense as neither has experienced an opponent like the others dumbledore is bringing more variety to the table that is battle applicable that yoda has never seen used in such a manor before such as the elements that yoda doesn't have telekenisis which both have and dumbledores other spells will definitely come in handy and at the end of the day all of those spells willbecome to much for yoda to handle as both could ragdoll each other but in this battle comes yodas prime weakness, his need to focus and gather his energies such, as he is focused on one thing at one time, never multitasking which is the exact thing that magic is good for, either multi tasking or being a distraction which dumbledore would use to his advantage to win the battle.

If you expect me to read this, re-write it with proper punctuation and sentence structure. I am not spending ten minutes just to decipher that.

From the gist of your interaction with Silent Master though, it seems like you want to assign Dumbledore all kinds of things he never did, based purely on reputation.

Well, in that case, Yoda was regarded as one of the greatest Jedi masters of all time, and was unmatched by pretty much everyone except for Sidious during his life. So let's assume that Yoda has every force power known at the time available to him, because he is Yoda, in which case he uses force speed (as shown in The Phantom Menace), to speedblitz and decap Dumbledore before he can raise his wand. See, I can also use your logic to debate.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
If you expect me to read this, re-write it with proper punctuation and sentence structure. I am not spending ten minutes just to decipher that.

From the gist of your interaction with Silent Master though, it seems like you want to assign Dumbledore all kinds of things he never did, based purely on reputation.

Well, in that case, Yoda was regarded as one of the greatest Jedi masters of all time, and was unmatched by pretty much everyone except for Sidious during his life. So let's assume that Yoda has every force power known at the time available to him, because he is Yoda, in which case he uses force speed (as shown in The Phantom Menace), to speedblitz and decap Dumbledore before he can raise his wand. See, I can also use your logic to debate.

Ok I'm not assigning him anything I'm simply applying abilities that link to occupations he has had throughout his 115 years of life he was head of the transfiguration department which means he has an ocean of transfiguration spells. He is a master deulist which means he has a plethora of deuling spells at his disposal which can and will be used against yoda all of these link to his abilities while yoda is incapable of any dark side ability and his skills in the force are known as the one of the greatest lightside users of the force meaning he can only use lightside abilities not dark side, dumbledores reputation shows that he has the ability to use those spells

Using that logic then Yoda stomps him even more, seeing as he was a grandmaster of the Jedi Order which would mean we can apply all feats of lower-end Jedi to him.

Actually I have countered it you just don't accept it I have given you facts from books and movies and I have given you opposition based on facts and all the spells I say dumbledore can do are spells he can do reasons for transfiguration,
1. Trained Mcgonagall who is one of the most powerful transfiguration teachers ever
2. Made exceeds expectations or outstandings on his OWLS and NEWTS meaning he was a childhood prodigy
3. Used extreme transfiguration during his battle with voldemort
Also expulso does exist as seen in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 1

The **** does any of this have to do with the fact Yoda outclasses him in speed massively or has far better TK?

Ok let me ask you did in all of Star Wars all yoda has had to deal with were droids who couldn't aim and shoot lasers

Are you seriously doing that "fodders in SW can't aim for shit?" myth?

now get a person who can shoot with even a pistol yoda wouldn't be able to jump before the bullt pierced his small body

Oh this is gold, now you're just downplaying and ignoring speed feats because they don't suit you

What's next "blaster bolts are slow because you can see them?" (even though we have feats from the movies that put them in the super-hypersonic range)

You're a joke

now you admit you think yoda can use force crush well he can't it's a dark side ability

Fine Yoda uses telekinesis to bang Dumbledore into the ground at speeds far faster than he can comprehend

and the time it would take for yoda to lift his arms to do this dumbledore would have shot a spell or curse at him possibly winning the match

Except Yoda is far faster than Dumbledork based on feats you dipshit

Good job on scripting though

so unless yoda can move faster than the bullet

Yeah, I posted feats for blaster bolts that put them at bullet speed or considerably above, you're just ignoring shit at this point

dumbledore used this spell its called arrestso momentum which would stop the ICBM in its tracts

Dumbledore can stop objects moving at Mach 25 and above? I'd like to see proof of this please. Otherwise, GTFO with your no limit fallacy bullshit

I he might be able

So Dumbledore is hypersonic now? el oh ****ing el

now sir since you want to get all not Pickey show a clip of yoda moving faster than that

Originally posted by ROTS Novelisation
For merely human pilots, this would be suicide. By the time you can see your partner's starfighter streaking toward you at a respectable fraction of lightspeed, it's already too late for your merely human reflexes to react.

But these particular pilots were far from merely human.

The Force nudged hands on control yokes and the Jedi starfighters twisted and flashed past each other belly-to-belly, close enough to scorch each other's paint.

This being performed by Anakin and Obi-Wan, far slower than Yoda by feats

other. The tri-fighters' cannons ripped space between them, tracking faster than their starfighters could slip.
His onboard threat display chimed a warning: two of the droids had remote sensor locks on him. The others must have lit up his partner. "Anakin! Slip-jaws!"
"My thought exactly."
They blew past the tri-fighters, looping in evasive spirals. The droid ships wrenched themselves into pursuit maneuvers that would have killed any living pilot.
The slip-jaws maneuver was named for the scissorlike mandibles of the Kashyyyk slash-spider. Droids closing rapidly on their tails, cannonfire stitching space on all sides, the two Jedi pulled their ships through perfectly mirrored rolls that sent them streaking head-on for each other from opposite ends of a vast Republic cruiser.
For merely human pilots, this would be suicide. By the time you can see your partner's starfighter streaking toward you at a respectable fraction of lightspeed, it's already too late for your merely human reflexes to react.
But these particular pilots were far from merely human.
The Force nudged hands on control yokes and the Jedi starfighters twisted and flashed past each other belly-to-belly, close enough to scorch each other's paint. Tri-fighters were the Trade Federation's latest space-superiority droid. But even the electronic reflexes of the tri-fighters' droid brains were too slow for this: one of his pursuers met one of Anakin's head-on. Both vanished in a blossom of flame.

He had the Force to guide him through, and the tri-fighter had only its electronic reflexes—but those electronic reflexes operated at roughly the speed of light

Yeah, I'll see if I can find the MagnaGuard ones

But in the mean time, if you can show me speed feats for Dumbledore comparable, by all means, present them

dumbledore could have apparated there went to the local pub got himself a nice brandy went to slug horns house did all he did then went back to that same spot and apparated out before the ICBM hit and also in the sixth movie Half blood prince he apparated himself and Harry to a place of unknown but most likely great distance from hog warts in a matter of seconds that's fast yoda couldn't run or fly or do anything to beat dumbledore there now I doubt yoda could achieve this speed so I'll take your concession on this point and also if you could post a clip from the movie that shows yoda moving faster than 13,400mph

Yeah, teleportation has nothing to do with body movement dipshit, else every character who can teleport is faster than the Flash according to you

When did yoda do that when did he talk to someon light years away

Sidious choked Dooku from lightyears away and Yoda was able to sense the death of all the Jedi from across the galaxy, to name a few that I can remember at the top of my head

The only impediment is sight really

it's called reducto bombarda or bormbada maxima

How powerful is it?

jumping hundreds plus meters well it called apparition thank you very much as in order of the Phoenix the members of the order jump from spot to spot even going around the entire room in a matter of seconds

Teleportation has nothing to do with leaping physically you moron

yoda has never tanked an explosion

Obi-Wan survived near contact detonations from Slave 1's laser cannons and Darth Maul survived being a foot away from a thermal detonator explosion, and assuming they're alot more durable than Yoda is retarded

now the future preconigtion has its limits of that we're the case he would taken out palatine already and destroyed if he knew the future but limits

Yes because failing to take out someone like Palpatine is totally a low end showing hurdy hurdy hurr

Palpatine did cloud the Jedi's ability to sense the future during the clone wars, you know, reason why Palpatine could be undercover as a politician

Comsidering the fact that Harry Potter takes place on earth and depart need to move that's why the operate on a smaller scale compared to galactic wide Star Wars yet dumbledore could still beat the pants of yoda

Blah blah blah useless speculation

UNWRITTEN RULE if it's not written then how can it be known to apply and sense it unwritten it is not in fact an actual rule to apply

Sam reason we assume most forms of power will interact, cuts out pointless debates that get nowhere, and limit the number of stupid people saying stupid shit (ie. you)

you trying to take the books away from Harry Potter is getting on my nerves since the books are the main cannon of Harry Potter so I will use the books and movies and Internet research however it suits the argument

This is the movie vs. son, meaning only movie feats

Also, Harry Potter movies are an adaption of the original material, meaning that you can't use books and movies at once. Same reason why LOTR debates don't have both books and movies

Please if it exist in the potter world unless it pure dark energy dumbledore can do it so screw that if dumbledore wants to use the unforgivable curse he freakin can if dumbledore wants to blow yoda to smitherins he can if he freakin wants to if dumbledore wants to blast yoda with a stun spell he can if he FREAKIN WANTS TO he knows every single spell so why in the world would you say I need a clip to see if it's true when he has used one before he can use all three if he wants to alright deal with

In other words you have no feats of him boosting his strength and speed and go on an irrelevant tangent

Way to go, jackass

Expulso exits rewatch Harry Potter and the deathly Hallows part 1 and look up the spell expulso

'fraid that's not my job. You know, burden of proof

Oh my how many times do I have to say it yoda doesn't have his lightsaber since the creator of this thread said no lightsaber none just magic vs the force ok you want clips I'll give you clipse for https://youtu.be/Th_SVESxnn0 and https://youtu.be/aJs3kDxpHxA these both prove my point

I mean show Dumbledore using them, jackass

Like I said post clips from the movies that show that yoda can move fast enough to where education,bled precast react show me show me and dumbledore can think pretty fast and as seen in his deul with voldemort can do spells instantaneously all his spells with the exception of the last one taking no time to do

So Dumbledore vs Quicksilver (DOFP), what happens?

Continued because character limits

I am in a great high spot to be condescending as you have no way to debunk me look man you have been debunked your argument has been debunked so just leave goodness

And it's official you're being the "pidgeon" in the "playing chess with a pidgeon" conundrum

See, I act condescending because I know I'm right and have an understanding of how vs debating, powers, feats, powerscaling works. And my standards are quite consistent

Unlike you who has no understanding of powerscaling, don't know the difference between body movement and teleportation among other things and use blatant double standards, hence why you are in no position to act the way you do

I've countered your speed blitzing argument reread our comments

Who's "our", I mean, are you like Sensui who has multiple personalities?

So with a Jedi since bullets move faster than Jedi can think

Been there done that, complete bullshit

this is about yoda vs dumbledore whose abilities are narrow since all he has is telekenisis

Which is all he needs

all his other abilities are non valid like telepathy battle meditation battle mind and any of that other stuff

Because you say so? Nah I don't think so

I'm tired of you saying just because we don't see dumbledore use a spell means he can't when evidence points to the contrary so stop it

I never said that, I was using your double standards against you, you saying Yoda doesn't do something every time he appears so that means he can't do something

this is proven by in season 6 The Disappeared Part 2 of TCW when a SMAL CHILD took maces lightsaber

Low end showings do not count as valid evidence here

Btw, it's not really a good idea to use low end showings, it's the tactic of the sore loser who's unhappy that something is more powerful than he wants it to be. To say nothing of being a hypocritical attempt at pushing his favorite showings unquestioned while denying his opponents best feats. It just reeks of desperation

Originally posted by Silent Master
Using that logic then Yoda stomps him even more, seeing as he was a grandmaster of the Jedi Order which would mean we can apply all feats of lower-end Jedi to him.

This exactly. If we are just going to assume Dumbledore can use any spell seen in the Harry Potter universe, just because of his reputation, then all Jedi feats and abilities should count for Yoda, seeing as he was the Grandmaster of the Order.

Also, not sure what this nonsense is about Yoda being "incapable" of using the dark side. Any force user has the potential to use either dark or light side powers. It's a matter of choosing their path. But oh right, Yoda is going to be fighting with a big ole PIS/CIS handicap while Dumbledore is going to be flinging unforgivable curses, left right and center. Because that's totally being objective. 🙄

then all Jedi feats and abilities should count for Yoda, seeing as he was the Grandmaster of the Order.

Which would mean shit like Emerald Lightning or Shaak Ti's ability to manipulate planets or whatever the **** it was can be applied to Yoda

Yay

Originally posted by Silent Master
Using that logic then Yoda stomps him even more, seeing as he was a grandmaster of the Jedi Order which would mean we can apply all feats of lower-end Jedi to him.

It's amazing how try and zap away dumbledores power to make yoda look tall even though he's a midget and anyway dumbledore wins as with my logic dumbledore would have all spells with the exception of the three used by voldemort in th least movie that had to deal with dark magic

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
This exactly. If we are just going to assume Dumbledore can use any spell seen in the Harry Potter universe, just because of his reputation, then all Jedi feats and abilities should count for Yoda, seeing as he was the Grandmaster of the Order.

Also, not sure what this nonsense is about Yoda being "incapable" of using the dark side. Any force user has the potential to use either dark or light side powers. It's a matter of choosing their path. But oh right, Yoda is going to be fighting with a big ole PIS/CIS handicap while Dumbledore is going to be flinging unforgivable curses, left right and center. Because that's totally being objective. 🙄

Oh my god we are not assuming we are basing this off of everything he has
1. Head of transfiguration at hogwarts
2. World renowned deulist
3. Feared by voldemort
4. The fact that he used mostly only advanced spells in his deul with voldemort
5. World renowned alchemist
6. Even used simple spells like expelliarmius against voldemort meaning he can use spells not seen onscreen

Ok there we go you said every Jedi has the POTENTIAL meaning a possibility this is true yes but yoda is in fact incapable because the only Jedi in the old republic are made windu anakin and plo koon who can use such abilities were special windu he skirted very close to the dark side, anakin was the chosen one, plo placed in dangerous situation where his regular powers wouldn't cut it . So each of the. Were placed in special situation or were just special yoda was good don't get me wrong but his power is for the lightside not the darkside of

Why didn't he use it against Darth sidious
Force lightning
Force crush
Choke
Crush
Or any other darkside ability

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Which would mean shit like Emerald Lightning or Shaak Ti's ability to manipulate planets or whatever the **** it was can be applied to Yoda

Yay

Yodas mastery of the force is of the lightside

1. Felicia enhances a persons ability to use the force of that we're the case why didn't yoda control coruscant or any other ability it was because Felicia enhanced her abilities to use the force this is why she only used kinatite once

2. So any darkside abilities or kinatite controlling a planet can't be used by yoda it couldn't even be used by Shaak ti on a regular basis or even vader on a regular basis

3. Darkside abilities are outside of yodas capabilities

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Continued because character limits

And it's official you're being the "pidgeon" in the "playing chess with a pidgeon" conundrum

See, I act condescending because I know I'm right and have an understanding of how vs debating, powers, feats, powerscaling works. And my standards are quite consistent

Unlike you who has no understanding of powerscaling, don't know the difference between body movement and teleportation among other things and use blatant double standards, hence why you are in no position to act the way you do

Who's "our", I mean, are you like Sensui who has multiple personalities?

commemts sent by the two of us

Been there done that, complete bullshit

Bullets faster than lasers

Which is all he needs
Ok vs dumbledores great power with magic if I were dumbledore I'd feel pretty confident right now

Because you say so? Nah I don't think so

Because, each opponent yoda and dumbledore have trained against mind techniques and battle mediation wouldn't do much good as they are both going to be distracted. By the other so just through battlefield circumstances and training telepathy on either side wouldn't come into play

I never said that, I was using your double standards against you, you saying Yoda doesn't do something every time he appears so that means he can't do something
Actually I acknowledged that yoda could use his physical abilities in a previous post so... And I dint say he can't I said I don't BELEIVE he would there is a difference
And actually my "double standard" is not a double standard I just took what we saw from the movie yoda and thought that was what I was supposed to use because like you said I am not as experienced as you guys are I have not been here as long so I didn't know my bad but dumbledore has the feats and reputation to back up the spells not seen onscreen while yoda all of his abilities telepathy won't work dumbledore included so all he has is telekenisis

Low end showings do not count as valid evidence here

So what's the point of doing these if we don't encorporate who they are? You just take everyone out of character by doing that? That's everyone yoda dumbledore everyone.

Btw, it's not really a good idea to use low end showings, it's the tactic of the sore loser who's unhappy that something is more powerful than he wants it to be. To say nothing of being a hypocritical attempt at pushing his favorite showings unquestioned while denying his opponents best feats. It just reeks of desperation

1. Getting a senate pod from palpatine ( wingardium Leviosa )
2. Force pushing palpatine ( expelliarmius or almost any other combative spell
3. Transcending the physical plain no none battle applicable abilities
4. Tutamintis ( protego )
5. Deflect dooku telekenetic throws ( protego or wingardium leviosa )
6. Physical abilities
7. Pushing very large and heavy objects ( wingardium Leviosa and Depulso if wizard is strong enough and depends on the object
8. Get glimpses of the future

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
It's amazing how try and zap away dumbledores power to make yoda look tall even though he's a midget and anyway dumbledore wins as with my logic dumbledore would have all spells with the exception of the three used by voldemort in th least movie that had to deal with dark magic

Of course he does. since your logic is to ignore what Yoda is capable of.

For those that look at what both sides are capable of, IE people that are not biased towards one side like you are...Yoda wins.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Oh my god we are not assuming we are basing this off of everything he has
1. Head of transfiguration at hogwarts
2. World renowned deulist
3. Feared by voldemort
4. The fact that he used mostly only advanced spells in his deul with voldemort
5. World renowned alchemist
6. Even used simple spells like expelliarmius against voldemort meaning he can use spells not seen onscreen

Ok there we go you said every Jedi has the POTENTIAL meaning a possibility this is true yes but yoda is in fact incapable because the only Jedi in the old republic are made windu anakin and plo koon who can use such abilities were special windu he skirted very close to the dark side, anakin was the chosen one, plo placed in dangerous situation where his regular powers wouldn't cut it . So each of the. Were placed in special situation or were just special yoda was good don't get me wrong but his power is for the lightside not the darkside of

Why didn't he use it against Darth sidious
Force lightning
Force crush
Choke
Crush
Or any other darkside ability

Your double standards are astounding.

You want to claim that Dumbledore will be throwing around killing curses etc. which is totally out of character for him, yet expect Yoda to fight in character, and not draw on darker powers. You can't have it both ways.

Dumbledore has impressive credentials, but so does Yoda. But you want to give Dumbledore a huge arsenal of spells, based on what you believe he should know, as opposed to his actual screen feats, yet when people mention allowing Yoda feats of force users well below him, you conveniently gloss it over. If Dumbledore gets to fight out of character and have nearly every known spell at his disposal, Yoda should be allowed to fight out of character, and be allowed any onscreen force abilities, considering they were all performed by beings who were, at best, virtually his equal, and generally, well below him. That's the only way this would be a fair fight. Otherwise you are just gimping Yoda in order to give Dumbledore the win.

Also, so you are literally saying Yoda is incapable of using the dark side of the force? So if a Sith found him when he was young, instead of a Jedi, he would have been utterly useless? That's what you are saying in your post. You are flat out saying that the only Jedi who are capable of using dark side powers are Plo Koon, Mace and Anakin, and that no other Jedi would even be capable of drawing on the dark side, even if they give in to their anger, fear etc. That's what your post is saying, and it is utterly ridiculous.

I've wasted enough time on this thread though. Anyone who looks at this objectively knows that Yoda wins, and Stealth and Silent are already doing a good job of making your arguments look silly, so I'm out. Trying to decipher your unpunctuated rambling is not worth the effort.