Batman VS Captain America: MA contest · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

lifeisaglich Senior Member

In this MA fight batman is going to win. It has been said time and time again that Captain America is going to win because of the SSS. It grants him more strength, speed, stamina. Logically it makes sense that Captain America would win but how do you judge, when his opponent has accomplishments in all the areas that supposedly makes Captain America great.

Well the captain and the bat's are virtually equal in all area of expertise except of course intelligence. They are both define as being peak human however there is a huge difference one achieved this goal through an experiment the other worked for it. The time it took batman to hone his skill as suppose to taking a pill (no puns intended) gave him something Captain America would never know. The pain, suffering,angst, during his trip to perfection can be utilized in battle. A good example is the fight against Old Sensei. Batman is tougher than Captain America and this is why batman is going have more wins against Captain America.

thadarknite84 Authority

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Yes Batman trained to his potential just like Daredevil trained for his or just like Shang Chi trained for his. Etc Etc.
Cap is a man unlike the world has never seen before. The peak of human "potential". He was created to be greater then athletes even the best ones.
Dr. Reinstein the creator of the SSS stated it best. In his own words Cap is the next step in human evolution. A man from the coming decades.
You are correct Cap is not superhuman because even if he is "superior" to athletes such as Batman, Daredevil, Hawkeye, Connor Hawk. He is still just human. But a superior human no less.

And another thing is that a lot of people on this thread don’t understand. Is that in any sport were an athlete takes drugs to increase his or hers physical attributes, does not get the same respect as someone who is on par or near their level without the use of any drugs and that’s a fact. Why should Cap have more respect than Batman? Anyone can take the SSS; this is why I respect Batman more. If this was for real Cap wouldn’t even be allow to compete in the first place. Say what you want, Batman is the true athlete, martial artist, and the true example of a peak human is this contest. Cap is not really on Batman's level. If he never had the SSS he wouldn't be what he is today Period.

Mindset Senior Member

Originally posted by thadarknite84
And another thing is that a lot of people on this thread don’t understand. Is that in any sport were an athlete takes drugs to increase his or hers physical attributes, does not get the same respect as someone who is on par or near their level without the use of any drugs and that’s a fact. Why should Cap have more respect than Batman? Anyone can take the SSS; this is why I respect Batman more. If this was for real Cap wouldn’t even be allow to compete in the first place. Say what you want, Batman is the true athlete, martial artist, and the true example of a peak human is this contest. Cap is not really on Batman's level. If he never had the SSS he wouldn't be what he is today Period.

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Silent Master Senior Member

First off, the SSS isn't a drug, this has been stated in the books.

However; since you want to bring up taking drugs, I seem to recall Batman taking venom.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by thadarknite84
And another thing is that a lot of people on this thread don’t understand. Is that in any sport were an athlete takes drugs to increase his or hers physical attributes, does not get the same respect as someone who is on par or near their level without the use of any drugs and that’s a fact. Why should Cap have more respect than Batman? Anyone can take the SSS; this is why I respect Batman more. If this was for real Cap wouldn’t even be allow to compete in the first place. Say what you want, Batman is the true athlete, martial artist, and the true example of a peak human is this contest. Cap is not really on Batman's level. If he never had the SSS he wouldn't be what he is today Period.

I fail to see how Batman is more worthy of respect than Captain America. Yeah Bruce spent years traveling the world to train, but unlike Captain America Bruce was born with more than enough money to do just that. Captain America took the SSS because there was no other way he COULD fight in the war, but that didn't stop him from trying to enlist despite his relatively weak physical form before that happened.

What's more, when Cap first lost the SSS, he actually passed up getting it back because he wanted to be the example and show kids that you didn't NEED things like steroids and other performance enhancers to be "special"...

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by Silent Master
First off, the SSS isn't a drug, this has been stated in the books.
However; since you want to bring up taking drugs, I seem to recall Batman taking venom.

Captain America just called it a drug, and even mentioned "just say no" in the scans DG just posted.

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Originally posted by darthgoober
I fail to see how Batman is more worthy of respect than Captain America. Yeah Bruce spent years traveling the world to train, but unlike Captain America Bruce was born with more than enough money to do just that. Captain America took the SSS because there was no other way he COULD fight in the war, but that didn't stop him from trying to enlist despite his relatively weak physical form before that happened.
What's more, when Cap first lost the SSS, he actually passed up getting it back because he wanted to be the example and show kids that you didn't NEED things like steroids and other performance enhancers to be "special"...

The Captain is pimp, but whoever wrote that is lame.

Lord Feron Senior Member

I like your argumentative spirit but the darknite84 but Its not that people don't understand things they just don't agree with your opinions. I have to admit some people do simply not understand ideas but not the way you are presenting it. Respect is nothing to do with the fight whoever brought that up because I think respect is in a way biased. I deeeply respect both BAtman and Captain but that is not what is making my deicsions. It is the "feats" and "facts" of comics that should determine and along with it interpretations and that is the tricky part. Anyway enough of my silly lecture 😄 the SSS and cap should not be seperate. Its like saying oh Norrin Radd wouldn't be crap if he didn't have the power cosmic (sorry if he iwas endowed with something else that made him nasty i just don't know). Yeah its true anyone could have taken the SSS but it wasent anyone it was him that took it and that is who BAtman is fighting. I know batman spent a life time learning MAs but Captain has pretty much been a soldier his whole life. Yes he didn't train when he was 8 or whenever someone said Batman started training. So I think what "lifeisglich" said about "The pain, suffering,angst, during his trip to perfection can be utilized in battle." is a valid point but Cap was a soldier before he was captain america. As a soldier he must have suffered the same in war and battle. Sorry i need to go talk again another time.. peace

thadarknite84 Authority

Originally posted by Silent Master
First off, the SSS isn't a drug, this has been stated in the books.
However; since you want to bring up taking drugs, I seem to recall Batman taking venom.

Drugs or not, doesn't matter it's not natural. And when did Batman use venom? If it's after he became Batman then it doesn't really mater, because he didn't need it to become peak human.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Juntai
Captain America just called it a drug, and even mentioned "just say no" in the scans DG just posted.

No one really knows what it is because it's creator was killed. It's properties are so unlike anything else that it seems a little unfair to try to put it under such a simple classification. Cap used to put himself through the grinder about whether or not it qualified, but that's just because he's Captain America.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by thadarknite84
Drugs or not, doesn't matter it's not natural. And when did Batman use venom? If it's after he became Batman then it doesn't really mater, because he didn't need it to become peak human.

No all he needed to become peak human was billions and billions of dollars that he inherited from his family. I could(and likely would) do the same if I had Bruce's money, but I don't have the guts to take an experimental serum that's as likely to kill me as enhance me.

Silent Master Senior Member

I'm fairly sure it was called a virus(or virus-like) in the streets of poison storyline

thadarknite84 Authority

Originally posted by Lord Feron
I like your argumentative spirit but the darknite84 but Its not that people don't understand things they just don't agree with your opinions. I have to admit some people do simply not understand ideas but not the way you are presenting it. Respect is nothing to do with the fight whoever brought that up because I think respect is in a way biased. I deeeply respect both BAtman and Captain but that is not what is making my deicsions. It is the "feats" and "facts" of comics that should determine and along with it interpretations and that is the tricky part. Anyway enough of my silly lecture 😄 the SSS and cap should not be seperate. Its like saying oh Norrin Radd wouldn't be crap if he didn't have the power cosmic (sorry if he iwas endowed with something else that made him nasty i just don't know). Yeah its true anyone could have taken the SSS but it wasent anyone it was him that took it and that is who BAtman is fighting. I know batman spent a life time learning MAs but Captain has pretty much been a soldier his whole life. Yes he didn't train when he was 8 or whenever someone said Batman started training. So I think what "lifeisglich" said about "The pain, suffering,angst, during his trip to perfection can be utilized in battle." is a valid point but Cap was a soldier before he was captain america. As a soldier he must have suffered the same in war and battle. Sorry i need to go talk again another time.. peace

No Cap was not a solider before having the SSS. He wanted to become a solider but he did not have the physique, that is why he needed the SSS in the first place. And I never said that Batman would win because I respect him more. I said that he is the true example of a peak human. This is a contest, I don't have to go for both of them, only the one I think would win. You do read comic books? If so, are you telling me that in all the years that Batman has been out. That he has not shown any feats of his own to argue that he could very well take this fight?

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by thadarknite84
No Cap was not solider before having the SSS. He wanted to become a solider but he did not have the physique, that is why he needed the SSS in the first place. And I never said that Batman would win because I respect him more. I said that he is the true example of a peak human. This is a contest, I don't have to go for both of them, only the one I think would win. You do read comic books? If so, are you telling me that in all the years that Batman has been out. That he has not shown any feats of his own to argue that he could very well take this fight?

I don't think anyone's trying to say that Bat's CAN'T win, just that he wouldn't win the majority. But if you'd like, we can compare the feats of both to see how they stack up...

thadarknite84 Authority

Originally posted by darthgoober
I don't think anyone's trying to say that Bat's CAN'T win, just that he wouldn't win the majority. But if you'd like, we can compare the feats of both to see how they stack up...

This is not street fighter or some video game. There is no round 1, 2, or 3. This is a fight to the finish. No 6/10 or whatever, just one time, one loser, and one winner.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by thadarknite84
This is not street fighter or some video game. There is no round 1, 2, or 3. This is a fight to the finish. No 6/10 or whatever, just one time, one loser, and one winner.

In that case it's Captain America. And we can compare feats if you want...

But just so you know, the "win/loss ratio" is pretty standard around here, so I wouldn't spend too much time getting bent out of shape about it.

thadarknite84 Authority

Originally posted by darthgoober
In that case it's Captain America. And we can compare feats if you want...
But just so you know, the "win/loss ratio" is pretty standard around here, so I wouldn't spend too much time getting bent out of shape about it.

Feats alone can't determine who's going to win. Example; Superman at one time defeated Darkseid who is far more powerful than Superman. So wouldn't that mean Wonder Woman shouldn't be able to defeat Superman because darkseid is more powerful than her. And the answer is no. What may work on one opponent may not work on the next. In a pure h2h fight, the better h2h fighter has to win. And that is why someone like wonder Woman could defeat Superman. Because she is a much better fighter than Superman. And Batman is the more skillful fighter in this contest. I don't need to compare feats to prove that. Batman is more skillful, more unconventional, and more unorthodox than Cap. Why shouldn't batman take this pure martial arts fight.

Symmetric Chaos Fractal King

Originally posted by thadarknite84
Batman is the more skillful fighter in this contest. I don't need to compare feats to prove that.

Yes you do. If you want to make a reasonable case you better have comparative feats to base it on.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by thadarknite84
Feats alone can't determine who's going to win. Example; Superman at one time defeated Darkseid who is far more powerful than Superman. So wouldn't that mean Wonder Woman shouldn't be able to defeat Superman because darkseid is more powerful than her. And the answer is no. What may work on one opponent may not work on the next. In a pure h2h fight, the better h2h fighter has to win. And that is why someone like wonder Woman could defeat Superman. Because she is a much better fighter than Superman. And Batman is the more skillful fighter in this contest. I don't need to compare feats to prove that. Batman is more skillful, more unconventional, and more unorthodox than Cap. Why shouldn't batman take this pure martial arts fight.

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Mindset Senior Member

Originally posted by thadarknite84
Feats alone can't determine who's going to win. Example; Superman at one time defeated Darkseid who is far more powerful than Superman. So wouldn't that mean Wonder Woman shouldn't be able to defeat Superman because darkseid is more powerful than her. And the answer is no.

You realize this makes absolutely no sense, right?