Batman VS Captain America: MA contest

Started by Silent Master17 pages

What does Batman's ability to prep for people that he's known for years have to do with a HTH fight with Cap?

Originally posted by thadarknite84
Please Batman came up with a plan to take down the entire J.L.A, lets not go comparing Batman's intelligents with Cap 😆 so Batman can't figure out how to defeat Cap in a h2h fight but he can come up with a plan to take down the J.L.A

Preperation with weapons against a team is impressive but has nothing to do with a hand to hand fight. Thats why he lost to Slade in a fight and or could only stalemate Bronze Tiger.

Captain America has outwitted galactic beings that held a cosmic cube to boot in his time loop saga. They both have impressive feats but in that regard its moot those feats, in a hand to hand fight.

Batman is a genius.....no ifs and or buts about that. But Cap is a military genius in that regard is all I'm saying. In a hand to hand fight I just see Cap as the better thanks to his enhancement of course.

Originally posted by thadarknite84
Please Batman came up with a plan to take down the entire J.L.A, lets not go comparing Batman's intelligents with Cap 😆 so Batman can't figure out how to defeat Cap in a h2h fight but he can come up with a plan to take down the J.L.A

Cap came up with a plan to beat Korvac when Korvac had the added power of a Cosmic Cube, I'd say that's easily as impressive as coming up with a way to take down the JLA...

Actually, he came of with dozens of plans 🙂 Korvac just kept resetting the timeline.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Actually, he came of with dozens of plans 🙂 Korvac just kept resetting the timeline.

I meant his final plan to undo Korvac ever getting the cube in the first place...

Ah....Ok.

I just found it funny that he was trying to break Cap's spirit by resetting the timeline and letting him remember, it's like he didn't know anything about Cap's personality.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Preperation with weapons against a team is impressive but has nothing to do with a hand to hand fight. Thats why he lost to Slade in a fight and or could only stalemate Bronze Tiger.

Captain America has outwitted galactic beings that held a cosmic cube to boot in his time loop saga. They both have impressive feats but in that regard its moot those feats, in a hand to hand fight.

Batman is a genius.....no ifs and or buts about that. But Cap is a military genius in that regard is all I'm saying. In a hand to hand fight I just see Cap as the better thanks to his enhancement of course.


First off what does being a military genius have to do in a fight that does not involve military tactics. Your trying to make Cap some kinda god of war, like he's superhuman or something, no not the case. And the members of the J.L.A are a lot more dangerous than Cap.

1. Batman has more fighting skills

2. Batman is far more intelligent overall

3. Better stats alone do not win battles

Originally posted by thadarknite84
First off what does being a military genius have to do in a fight that does not involve military tactics.

Says the guy that brought up Batman's prep abilities.

1. Batman has more fighting skills

IYO

2. Batman is far more intelligent overall

Irony.

I agree that better stats alone does not decide the result of this battle, but captain doesn't just have better stats he is on par with everything bats has i.e. intelligence/cleverness/decisive decision making yadda yadda and fighting skills/MA mastery. Looking at it this way its like comparing the same thing just that one is stronger/faster/swifter yadda yadda other physical stuff. So logically result is... coming out on top

Originally posted by Lord Feron
I agree that better stats alone does not decide the result of this battle, but captain doesn't just have better stats he is on par with everything bats has i.e. intelligence/cleverness/decisive decision making yadda yadda and fighting skills/MA mastery. Looking at it this way its like comparing the same thing just that one is stronger/faster/swifter yadda yadda other physical stuff. So logically result is... coming out on top

How can you say that Batman and Cap are on par with each other and at the same time say that one is stronger, faster, and swifter. It's just back to one having better stats. And I like how everybody is ignoring my earlier post about Batman's battle with Lady Shiva and The Sensei, both of them are far greater fighter than Cap. I can go day and night on this, but I see that it's hard for some people to listen to reason. With the SSS or without, whatever, Cap is still human just like Batman. You need to read Batman # 671

Originally posted by thadarknite84
How can you say that Batman and Cap are on par with each other and at the same time say that one is stronger, faster, and swifter. It's just back to one having better stats. And I like how everybody is ignoring my earlier post about Batman's battle with Lady Shiva and The Sensei, both of them are far greater fighter than Cap. I can go day and night on this, but I see that it's hard for some people to listen to reason. With the SSS or without, whatever, Cap is still human just like Batman. You need to read Batman # 671

Hasn't Robin beaten Shiva before? What makes you think she's so clearly superior to Cap?

I don't think so, in one battle he may have assisted Batman but that's all. Lady Shiva is consider one of the greatest MA in the DCU

Originally posted by thadarknite84
I don't think so, in one battle he may have assisted Batman but that's all. Lady Shiva is consider one of the greatest MA in the DCU

Oh yeah I was thinking of Batgirl not Shiva, so that's my bad. When did Batman beat Shiva in a strait up fight?

And what's the big deal about Batman's fight in #671? Don't get me wrong his fight with Sensei was kinda cool, but you have to keep in mind that Sensei himself acknowledged his stamina was shit and he couldn't keep up that pace very long...

Originally posted by thadarknite84
First off what does being a military genius have to do in a fight that does not involve military tactics. Your trying to make Cap some kinda god of war, like he's superhuman or something, no not the case. And the members of the J.L.A are a lot more dangerous than Cap.

1. Batman has more fighting skills

2. Batman is far more intelligent overall

3. Better stats alone do not win battles

Your right Military war is not the same which is my point neither is defeating a team. The point is moot.

Just like the Avengers is a lot more dangerous then Batman.

More fighting skills but not a enhanced mind to use them like Cap. Cap will use the level that he does have on Bats, but to a much better degree when all considering. Better mind and better body thanks to Operation Rebirth.

You right better stats don't always win but Cap's has that plus incredible skill. He's not just called as the most capable combatant for nothing.

Originally posted by darthgoober
And what's the big deal about Batman's fight in #671? Don't get me wrong his fight with Sensei was kinda cool, but you have to keep in mind that Sensei himself acknowledged his stamina was shit and he couldn't keep up that pace very long...

that is true but it shows that Batman can take on someone with centuries of fighting experience over him and that he can take a lot of punishment. also Batman didn't use anty gadgets it was a pure h2h fight

Originally posted by King_Mungi
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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Where in those scans does it mention that he actually mastered the 127 styles? I mean, when the disc is done in its entirety, it even states that it only goes through the basics of yaw-yan, not the principles of mastery of yaw-yan... A lifetime of martial arts knowledge does not equate to mastery of all martial arts. Anybody got any other scans on this subject?
Hate to repost, but can anyone clarify this to me? Am I the only one with the opinion that the scan does not support Batman's mastery of all 127 styles?

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Your right Military war is not the same which is my point neither is defeating a team. The point is moot.

Just like the Avengers is a lot more dangerous then Batman.

More fighting skills but not a enhanced mind to use them like Cap. Cap will use the level that he does have on Bats, but to a much better degree when all considering. Better mind and better body thanks to Operation Rebirth.

You right better stats don't always win but Cap's has that plus incredible skill. He's not just called as the most capable combatant for nothing.


Having an enhance mind doesn't give Cap a clear victory over Batman, he trained his mind and body to physical perfection. In my opinion, Cap's enhance mind can't really be that much better than Batman. At the end of the day perfection is perfection, any higher for a human and it becomes Superhuman and Cap is not a superhuman, just peak human.

Marvel and DC obviously don't define 'peak human' the same, Cap's feats put him above Batman in physical stats.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Hate to repost, but can anyone clarify this to me? Am I the only one with the opinion that the scan does not support Batman's mastery of all 127 styles?

Look, as I said before in my post. It tells you that in "The Ultimate Guide To The Dark Knight" this book has pretty much everything there is to know about Batman, It's all base on the comic books and it's all fact. Unless your telling me that DC doesn't know what they're talking about. And that would make no sense at all. There's nothing left to talk about