but its not simple as that.....Kain would tele blitz shinnock with a reaver slash, take his soul, use spirit death and soul wrack to destroy his soul from range near instantly, faster than likely anything lame @ss shinnock cna do, Kain could have his shield up, most of Shinniocks attacks seem to be physical/magical in nature, the shield protects and would refelct magic back onto Shinnock, so shinnock is stuffed twice over by now, Kain could just do the easy job of teleporting next to Shinnock with time reaver, slow him to a crawl then fire a time bolt into shinocks face freezing him instantly in time, then Shinnock is doomed
Shinnock has no "defeat" options for Kain, since Kain cannot die, you need to hold him or contain him, Shinnock can do neither
but its not simple as that.....Kain would tele blitz shinnock with a reaver slash, take his soul, use spirit death and soul wrack to destroy his soul from range near instantly,
You can't destroy Shinnok's soul.
faster than likely anything lame @ss shinnock cna do,
He can teleport and blow people up with a thought.
Thought > movement.
most of Shinniocks attacks seem to be physical/magical in nature, the shield protects and would refelct magic back onto Shinnock, so shinnock is stuffed twice over by now, Kain could just do the easy job of teleporting next to Shinnock with time reaver, slow him to a crawl then fire a time bolt into shinocks face freezing him instantly in time, then Shinnock is doomed
Shinnok has a barrier too....
Shinnock has no "defeat" options for Kain, since Kain cannot die, you need to hold him or contain him, Shinnock can do neither
Of course he can. Shinnok can warp reality. He waprs Kain into a turtle.
Originally posted by Pyron_is_God
You can't destroy Shinnok's soul.He can teleport and blow people up with a thought.
Thought > movement.Shinnok has a barrier too....
Of course he can. Shinnok can warp reality. He waprs Kain into a turtle.
1. prove this please, also Kain wouldnt have to "destroy" jsut rip it out and imprison it in the blade ftw
2. a thought is a type of attack, also show me this, if he can blow people up with a thought then why didnt he just do it in one shot at Raiden? Kain can shield with a thought, so touchea
3. show me the barreir please, what does it stop? physical, magical? is it invulerable? how long does it last?
4. Show me Shinnock doing this, he was beaten so why didnt he warp Raiden, or the MK cast into turtles, also this warping reality sounds magical in nature, also he cant warp kain if Kain isnt there to warp, if he is invisble or teleporting, show me these things please.
1. The Elder Gods couldn't destroy his soul; just put it in the Netherrealm.
3. It's used in MK Mythologies to deflect Sub-Zero's punches as well as his freezing power.
4. Same reason a lot of characters don't use abilities when they're defeated: PIS.
And it's said in the MK Mythologies manual that Shinnok wapred the Nettherrealm to appear more like Earth, turning the demons in the dimension into humanoids.
1. Elder Gods tried then? can you show me please, simply because they did not is besdies the point, but as i said, Kain doesnt need to kill it, he can simply put it in Soul reaver instead of the Netherealm
2. lol Shinnock himself says it while threatening sometihng as weak as reptile, please do you have an official statement or refrence saying Shinnock CAN actually kill anyone with a thought
3. sub-zeros punches and freezing power, how impressive does that sound? it doesnt does it....no magic powers then?
4. yeh PIS indeed, prob another reason why Elder Gods didnt destroy Shinnocks soul then, also you take an example of a realm where he has control over of and you think he can do it to any opponent? post the place where it says it so i can read it exactley, warping something doesnt mean your warping reality
1. Elder Gods tried then? can you show me please, simply because they did not is besdies the point, but as i said, Kain doesnt need to kill it, he can simply put it in Soul reaver instead of the Netherealm
The Netherrealm is a dimension..the Soul Reaver is a sword.
You think they are comparable?
2. lol Shinnock himself says it while threatening sometihng as weak as reptile, please do you have an official statement or refrence saying Shinnock CAN actually kill anyone with a thought
Well, let's think here, kay?
Fact 1: Shinnok says he can kill Reptile with a thought.
Fact 2: Reptile just blows up a few seconds later.
Now, what does this obviously mean? Come on. You can do it.
3. sub-zeros punches and freezing power, how impressive does that sound? it doesnt does it....no magic powers then?
....his ice power is magic?
I mean, come on. Try to think here.
And I just remembered. Kain doesn't even have his barrier spell from BO1 here.
4. yeh PIS indeed, prob another reason why Elder Gods didnt destroy Shinnocks soul then, also you take an example of a realm where he has control over of and you think he can do it to any opponent? post the place where it says it so i can read it exactley, warping something doesnt mean your warping reality
I don't have a scanner.
Originally posted by Pyron_is_God
The Netherrealm is a dimension..the Soul Reaver is a sword.
You think they are comparable?Well, let's think here, kay?
Fact 1: Shinnok says he can kill Reptile with a thought.
Fact 2: Reptile just blows up a few seconds later.Now, what does this obviously mean? Come on. You can do it.
....his ice power is magic?
I mean, come on. Try to think here.
And I just remembered. Kain doesn't even have his barrier spell from BO1 here.I don't have a scanner.
1. thats not even a comparison PiG, the comparison is that their both containtments, and inside the Soul reaver, is a containtment for Shinnock, also what do you call a dimension? for example Jedahs little pocket dimension is still a dimension but its tiny, much like the inside imprisonment of the sword, either way, its an imprisonment, Shinnock is doomed.
2. thats an incredibly weak feat tho, Reptile is hardly the most powerful of beings, now that is a no limits fallacy to think he could do the same to kain who will not be held by the throat but will be teleporting all over the place. But blowing kain up, what use will that do? hes already been literally ripped out of excistence in a way, how is blowing him up going to do anything? even if i believed your no limits fallacy.
3. It says hes fighting Kain, so Kain has his shield
4. shame....
1. thats not even a comparison PiG, the comparison is that their both containtments, and inside the Soul reaver, is a containtment for Shinnock, also what do you call a dimension? for example Jedahs little pocket dimension is still a dimension but its tiny, much like the inside imprisonment of the sword, either way, its an imprisonment, Shinnock is doomed.
Who says Jedah's dimension is tiny and only a pocket one?
2. thats an incredibly weak feat tho, Reptile is hardly the most powerful of beings, now that is a no limits fallacy to think he could do the same to kain who will not be held by the throat but will be teleporting all over the place. But blowing kain up, what use will that do? hes already been literally ripped out of excistence in a way, how is blowing him up going to do anything? even if i believed your no limits fallacy.
He got knocked through a portal into another dimension..he wasn't blown up.
3. It says hes fighting Kain, so Kain has his shield
Reading the Op might help.
Originally posted by Pyron_is_God
Who says Jedah's dimension is tiny and only a pocket one?He got knocked through a portal into another dimension..he wasn't blown up.
Reading the Op might help.
everyone who has played DS, its only got his castle in it, thats about it, theres nothing more, ime not sure even the Shintai is in it, but its got nothing else
no his excistence was destroyed when his heart was ripped out
regardless, it says "Kain" that means it can be any Kain i wish, and i choose the one from Defiance
now thats a weak claim, FIRST Defiance Kain is the same kain from all the games, so unless you show me where he loses the ability to shield himself, ill not respond to more "zomg kain never used his shieldsor!" rubbish, in canon, Kain never loses any of his powers.
and yes i can, if ime debating Kain I can choose any of them i wish to do so, since the thread is KAIN not a specific version
but for the record, any Kain apart from maybe Blood omen 2 version beats Shinnoks @ss
now thats a weak claim, FIRST Defiance Kain is the same kain from all the games, so unless you show me where he loses the ability to shield himself, ill not respond to more "zomg kain never used his shieldsor!" rubbish, in canon, Kain never loses any of his powers.
He losted all of his magic after BO1. That's fact.
He never used a single spell after the first game without the Reaver.
These are facts and if you intend to disprove them you will provide facts he still has his magic from Blood Omen 1 and 2.
and yes i can, if ime debating Kain I can choose any of them i wish to do so, since the thread is KAIN not a specific version
It's specified in the opening post. Intellectual people, not you, read those before posting.