And you're right to buy it. If time was immutable, the Legacy of Kain would have ended with Blood Omen since Kain could never have altered time and thus would have been destroyed by the Nemesis.
Then it would have ended in Soul Reaver 2 because Raziel would have killed Kain and be trapped in the Reaver...so there goes our two heroes.
Blood Omen 2 and Defiance would never have happened.
Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
[b]Then Nozdormu would be just his normal unkillable self and not extra-unkillable 😛But if listening to what BT says that time is immutable, then the concept of time is a useless concept. Why would they make a useless concept? No, I am not buying the whole "immutable" deal 😛
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If Nozmordu was put in LOK in a verses, and was allowed to excist there, then he would be like Kain, unbeatable yet he could not change time either, by trying to change events, so he would be invulerable but not quite as lethal in a normal time zone
why would it be a useless concept? you just couldnt change time, you dont need to change time for it to be a useful concept. What do you mean "buying" its in the game wether anyone likes it or not
PiG you seem to be under the impression that someone changed time? lol....nobody changed it, it was going to happen like that all along, Raziel was always going to enter the blade the way he did, Kain was never going to die, he simply cannot, Kain was always going tokill the boy King in order to bring down the events of the Nemesis.
The main fact remains, time is told to be immutable, and Kain never dies, every event, something happens to keep him alive, even if its escaping, he was always going to save Raziel from the blade because he was destined to
Originally posted by Burning thought
why would it be a useless concept? you just couldnt change time, you dont need to change time for it to be a useful concept. What do you mean "buying" its in the game wether anyone likes it or not
Yes you do. Even slowing time is part of changing time. Since Kain slows time all the time, it can not be immutable. Since Kain has time-powers, time can not be immutable.
Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
[b]Yes you do. Even slowing time is part of changing time. Since Kain slows time all the time, it can not be immutable. Since Kain has time-powers, time can not be immutable. [/B]
slowing it is not actually changing time, if i reduced by cars speed from 20 mph to 15, ime not changing my car am I?
Time is supposed to go faster or slower, you would not be changing time, time would not be changing, it would simply be acting exactley how it should and always does act, by going faster, something is not making time go faster.....you are not changing time by going faster...
by time being immutable as the developer explains, they mean one cannot change times events and history, thats the main low down anyway
That is exactly what you are doing. By making it go faster, or slower you are changing time. Time unchanged would be if you did not manipulate it at all. By slowing it, you are manipulating it and therefore proving it is not immutable.
If the developers says time is immutable, they need to extend their vocabulary, because by slowing/halting time, even at minor areas you are changing it. Therefore, making it not-immutable.
explain to me by having a car go faster you are changing time? considering time is a concept speed does not neccerily have to be time, for example, slowing the speed of an enemy, does not mean you are using time to do it, or manipulating time in any way, the opponent is simply going slower, Time is not changing, a slower creature like a tortoise is not changing time in diffrence to the faster cheater, time is the same, it simply acts as what the "passing" of a moment means, just because something passes that moment faster or slower,does not change the moment.
look:
http://www.thelostworlds.net/Defiance/Question_and_Answer_with_Jen,_Richard,_and_Kyle.html
they say:
No. Time in the world of Legacy of Kain is basically immutable - those who travel through it can't change history, because they didn't. Jen, Richard, and Kyle mention the film 12 Monkeys at this point as an example of this concept. While some things (like Ariel's role at the Spirit Forge) might seem out of place, it will all make sense in the end.
perhaps what they meant to say was that events in history cannot be changed, maybe your looking too deeply into the "time is immutable" comment but as they say, basically history cannot be changed, Noz could not change an event (he cant really in Warcraft, not if his own strength or such are not capable, he doesnt use power to change time, he uses it to travel it)
BT, go to the Eidos forums for Legacy of Kain.
Me, everyone there, other LoK fans, we all know the truth: that time was changed several times.
It's outright SAID:
Raziel:
Behind Kain's eyes, I could see new memories blooming and dying, as history labored to reshuffle itself around this monumental obstruction...
And I could see by the dawning horror on his face that perhaps we had strained history too far this time...
What's that? History was changed? You have nothing on your side except some worthless words while I have the game itself?
Raziel killed Kain in the tomb of William the Just and then was sucked into the Reaver. That's how time originally happened. After it was CHANGED Blood Omen 2 and Defiance happened. They never happened originally.,
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But thats the problem, your the one calling them worthless words when their official words direct from the developers themselves, thats the fact itself.
Although time can be reshuffled, its not permanent, all events that will happen or are stated to happen eventually were ALWAYS going to happen, Kain was never going to die, because time was ALWAYS going to reshuffle at that time, so technically, its not a change in time, because time already knew it was going to change, it was already written, which is difficult to comprehend but there ya go, thats lOK for ya, same about Kain not being able to die, he just simply cannot, same with the reaver absorbing Raziel, in the end, the Reaver was always going to get Raziel, Kain simply bided more time by taking it out of Raziel not completly saving him, in the end he was always written to be absorbed and so he does, same with all beings, so time is not really changable, it does change, but its already written to change like that, thats why the events of some of the games are possible.
Except if their words contradictt ehri creation, they are worthless. If time was immutable, LoK would've ended with the Nemesis since Kain wouldn't have been able to change time and kill William.
And yes, Kain died in the original timeline. That's why Raziel was sucked into the Reaver in the first place. Why else would time change when Kain saved him? Because originally Kain was killed in William's Tomb and thus could not save him.
Your not understanding this concept, you see that change in time was not really a change, it was an illusion of choice which the characters talk about throughout the game but every event that was written, would always have happened, Kain will always be saved by something, Kain would always not die in the original timeline because that is the timeline, there is no original, the reshuffle is written in time as well, so technically something changed in time is just an illusion, Kain was always going to change it, or Raziel would have done or whoever etc etc