Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Illuminati wins both scenarios.The Doctor would finally know what's to get his ass kicked by the one and only Sorcerer Supreme!
You've seen current Strange, right?
Anyway, Classic Strange has a few more uber showings, but Jeroen's stuff only requires him to think about it. Strange has to cast spells and such. So there's the initiative edge to The Doctor.
I have a few questions.
Can the Illuminati actually use the gems period? 2nd, is the IG still non-viable due to LT's decree? 3rd, isn't the doctor more powerful than the gems? Or rather, could he make them not work? 4th, would Blackbolt screaming and nuking the city cause Hawksmoore to die? This is assuming the illuminati knew about Hawksmoor's powers. Has anyone ever tried destroying the city around him to weaken him?
Also, Jesus being a doctor=priceless. 😄
The Doctor is <<<<< the gems at max potential. There's no way he could negate them. He could defend against them maybe, and still fight, but he couldn't just cut off their power or something, and would quickly be overwhelmed with competent gem-wielders.
But yes, Joey, if Jack's in a city it would need to be destroyed...maybe not entirely but pretty thoroughly. And given his bevy of showings inside a city, the onus would be on someone else (you, perhaps?) to show any instances of him being bested in a city by other means.
The fight against the evil Doctor comes to mind, when he was holding Jack above the ground and tk-squeezing him. But that's about it. Once he merges with the city, I don't see another way to take him out.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
[B]But yes, Joey, if Jack's in a city it would need to be destroyed...maybe not entirely but pretty thoroughly.
No it wouldn't. Maybe if you wanted to kill him, I guess, but I don't see a reason to beliee Jack would regen from getting his head ripped off, and we all know how the Illuminati feels about killing.
And given his bevy of showings inside a city, the onus would be on someone else (you, perhaps?) to show any instances of him being bested in a city by other means.
Getting his ass kicked by Midnighter in the beginning of Revolution? The Wolf dude towards the end of the first arc? Fake Doctor? Not many legit showings you could judge Hawksmoore in the city on, all he does is kill jobbers and hop around. But when he faces a legit threat, he generally is folded pretty quickly.
I don't see another way to take him out.
That's really more your unwarranted high opinion on the Authority based on their ability to beat jobbers.
For instance, Apollo is somehow more powerful then Namor (well his eyebeams are cool I guess, but they do drain him pretty quickly) as is Jack in the City.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
So to beat Hawksmoor, you either need to take him out of the city, herald level power, or level the city? Not bad.Can the illuminati actually use the gems? 2nd, who's the better technopath, Tony or Angie?
Pretty much. But outside a city most of us could beat him up. He's got some H2H skill but goes into shock from being away from a city.
And I dunno about them using it. But I'd have to say Angie for technopathy. She can infect machinery with nano-bots to destroy it from the inside...she even injected them into MNer's brain once to destroy machinery in it that was controlling him. She's also, once or twice, simply extended her liquid machinery into a machine to glean information from it. Tony has some good feats too, but she's just > than him in most categories.
Doing research for Hawkeye's tourney?
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As for Joey, MNer and Jack fought for about 3 panels, and they each landed a blow before stopping, and it was strictly H2H. It was far from the bloodlusted "I'll crash a city block into you" Hawksmoor that we see when he fights villians.
The Doctor feat I gave you...and no one on the Illuminati possesses those powers other than Strange, who would need to fight the Doctor.
Don't remember the wolf guy..and I lost that arc. I'll have to take your word for it, or just assume that you downplay Authority feats like every other time. Or maybe it's the wolf-thing from Vol. 2 that Jack casually pwned with a wave of his arm. Or maybe Jack wasn't in a city then, when he suffers most of his losses. Not sure.
Anyway, when a wolf-dude can beat someone who can merge your head with concrete or wear an entire city as battle armor (both of which he's done), we'll talk.
And I forgot you hate the Authority...I hope we face each other in the tourney.
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I don't hate the Authority, Jenny Sparks in particular is a favorite, you just have a fanboyishly high opinion on them based on their ability to beat jobbers and sorta manipulate the boards into parroting this high opinion. I just don't really care enough to scan stuff outside of tournies.
You don't need to be Doctor level to put an ass kicking on Hawksmoore, Cap would mess Hawksmoore up. All Hawksmoore is, is Sand with Blade level stats, except Sand has done stuff that Hawksmoore would shit his pants at the sound of even attempting, maybe Terra level would be better (though even she has done stuff that Hawksmoore probably couldn't).
His wearing armor feat not only gets taken out of context on this board it was one shot as hell in one of the worst written mini's (well as far as following actual continuity) ever, Hawksmoore himself doesn't even remember he has the ability (which is actually stated in the comics).
Hell, I'm not even sure if I the Sparks mini should be taken as canon/seriously the way it almost completely ignores what happened Stormwatch.
As for the actual fights, they each landed a blow and were stopped because at the rate they were going they would eventually KILL each other. Not to mention the only reason Hawksmoore even landed the blow was because Midnighter was being manipulated by Bendix.
No it was the wolf guy who was trying to marry Sparks during her mini and came back for revenge and put the ass kicking on Hawksmoore and Midnighter until Hawksmoore burst through his chest or some such.
I hope we don't meet in the tourney, I might be forced to remind the board that Doctor's been killed by
Kev.
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Kev.
Kev's gun, rather, which was programmed to pinpoint a character's weakness and exploit it (be it a dimensional-frequency weakness that could harm them or simply a physical one). A shame you won't have the gun.
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And I like that you pointed out that Jack killed the guy who you were using as evidence for his failures.
Also, Cap?!?! In H2H, sure. But how would cap deal with a building falling on him, or being phased into a road?
Maybe you aren't a hater of the Authority, and maybe I overestimate them, but stuff like that is just plain silly...it doesn't make Jack look any less powerful to others, it just makes you look less knowledgable about them.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Kev's gun, rather, which was programmed to pinpoint a character's weakness and exploit it (be it a dimensional-frequency weakness that could harm them or simply a physical one). A shame you won't have the gun.😉
And I like that you pointed out that Jack killed the guy who you were using as evidence for his failures.
Also, Cap?!?! In H2H, sure. But how would cap deal with a building falling on him, or being phased into a road?
Maybe you aren't a hater of the Authority, and maybe I overestimate them, but stuff like that is just plain silly...it doesn't make Jack look any less powerful to others, it just makes you look less knowledgable about them.
I can't recall you ever overrating the Authority...
Maybe I just missed it? *shrug*
A piece of tech (which we all know isn't even close to cosmic level, more or less, the Authority really isn't that tough) is able to take out the universal shaman, for shame.
Jack killed the guy because he was busy beating on Midnighter after easily dismissing him, not because Jack decided to work at Digi levels of efficiency on an opponent actually worth 2 cents for a change.
Why would Jack Hawksmoore drop a building on Captain America? That was a rather fanboyish statement to make.
Like I said, you overrate the Authority to a disgusting extent.
All Jack Hawksmoore is, is a brutal Sand with worse durability, who in no shape is near the world beater he is portrayed in these topics.