Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Why would Jack Hawksmoore drop a building on [b]Captain America?[/B]
Because it's in his power set? And he's done it numerous times before?
But yeah, you're right. Clearly he'd do nothing but H2H.
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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I would say the Illuminati win both scenarios for a majority.Seriously?
The Earth's Shaman is a reincarnated being that inhabits a new body once the old one dies. It's not a person unto itself, but more a spirit...so Jeroen, habib, etc. are still themselves, but with the experiences and powers of all teh former Doctors.
Every major religious figure in history was a Doctor, including Jesus. They use it to explain away the turning water to wine and other miracles.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Lots of things. Check out his respect thread for the details, or any of my tourney matches ( 😉 ). Basically, he has more powers than Jesus (actually, it's true in WS continuity because Jesus was a former "Doctor"😉 and top-shelf matter manipulation skills, so most of his enemies end up transmuted into hippie imagery.
Whenever a Illuminati fight pops up, everyone ignores the rest of the team and focuses on Dr. Strange. Being that BB has one of the single most destructive powers on Marvel earth, Xavier can shut people down with a thought, and Namor holds multiple wins over the Hulk, I think we are discounting the rest of the team a bit. Not to mention Iron Man brings some decent firepower to the team. Reed I can understand overlooking ONLY if the fight stipulates no prep and no extra gear. Im giving this to the Illuminati.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Because it's in his power set? And he's done it numerous times before?
So because it's in his power set he will kill Captain America.
Only person on the Authority I could see attempting that would be Midnighter, but he'd probably make a quip about not even he's a big enough bastard to kill the symbol for all that is right on the Earth.
Let's try thinking objectively and applying character instead of just looking at powersets and arguing like a fanboy next time.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait so you drafted Jesus in the tourney... bullshit, Bullshit, BULLSHIT 🤨 !
To be fair, Christianity in the WS universe is invalidated by that revelation (yet another reason to love the Authority 😉 ), so he's just a historical figure who had some low-level matter manip. powers, not the human incarnation of God.
Originally posted by Papa Smurph
So because it's in his power set he will [b]kill Captain America. [/B]
You realize you're arguing for "in character" arguments, when all combatants are assumed to be at peak levels for KMC purposes, right? Though I'm sure you'd have no problem following that rule for, say, Hulk.
Besides, they kill ANYONE they face. Cap would be no exception...and he'd at least get his ass beat. it's not like Jack couldn't have a part of a building attack him, knocking him out but not killing him.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
To be fair, Christianity in the WS universe is invalidated by that revelation (yet another reason to love the Authority 😉 ), so he's just a historical figure who had some low-level matter manip. powers, not the human incarnation of God.You realize you're arguing for "in character" arguments, when all combatants are assumed to be at peak levels for KMC purposes, right? Though I'm sure you'd have no problem following that rule for, say, Hulk.
Besides, they kill ANYONE they face. Cap would be no exception...and he'd at least get his ass beat.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh ok... I thought I was going to have to go Trickster on your ass there for a second... 😛
If we're to believe allusive evidence from The Garden of Ancestral Memory (The Doctor's home dimension) he's been Mohammad and the Buddha as well (though this is a bit speculative, because we see images that are probably them, but we don't know for certain), and there's also a line about him "walking the path of religion before" from the past Doctor, so we know he's attempted to enlighten the people of earth in the past too. This was when Jeroen started his own religion briefly.
So they can't all be right (th religions)....so there's no real need to worry. I'm not going to call down the Old Testament God on you or anything.
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Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait so you drafted Jesus in the tourney... bullshit, Bullshit, BULLSHIT 🤨 !
Actually, each Doctor is more powerful than the previous one...
So, if Digi drafted Habib, he'd also have all of Jeroen's feats. If he drafted Jeroen, he'd also have all of Jesus' feats.
Digi didn't draft Jesus...he drafted Jesus++.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Twice as strong? Don't remember reading that...just "more powerful than the last." I'd have to look up the quote though, so you might be right.
Power of all Doctors before Jeroen. In other words, the same power Jeroen had.
Jeroen's powers, AKA another copy of the same thing. Therefore, Habib is 2x Jeroen.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Well, each Doctor has the power of all previous Doctors. So in Habib's case:Power of all Doctors before Jeroen. In other words, the same power Jeroen had.
Jeroen's powers, AKA another copy of the same thing. Therefore, Habib is 2x Jeroen.
I can see where your logic comes from, but it's inherently flawed. The 'generational' nature of Doctors points towards an additive process, rather than a multiplicative one.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Pretty much. But outside a city most of us could beat him up. He's got some H2H skill but goes into shock from being away from a city.And I dunno about them using it. But I'd have to say Angie for technopathy. She can infect machinery with nano-bots to destroy it from the inside...she even injected them into MNer's brain once to destroy machinery in it that was controlling him. She's also, once or twice, simply extended her liquid machinery into a machine to glean information from it. Tony has some good feats too, but she's just > than him in most categories.
Doing research for Hawkeye's tourney?
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As for Joey, MNer and Jack fought for about 3 panels, and they each landed a blow before stopping, and it was strictly H2H. It was far from the bloodlusted "I'll crash a city block into you" Hawksmoor that we see when he fights villians.
The Doctor feat I gave you...and no one on the Illuminati possesses those powers other than Strange, who would need to fight the Doctor.
Don't remember the wolf guy..and I lost that arc. I'll have to take your word for it, or just assume that you downplay Authority feats like every other time. Or maybe it's the wolf-thing from Vol. 2 that Jack casually pwned with a wave of his arm. Or maybe Jack wasn't in a city then, when he suffers most of his losses. Not sure.
Anyway, when a wolf-dude can beat someone who can merge your head with concrete or wear an entire city as battle armor (both of which he's done), we'll talk.
And I forgot you hate the Authority...I hope we face each other in the tourney.
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Not to mention, Digi darling, that the fight happened on Carrier and Jack couldn't use his urbanopathy- Carrier, being enormous yet almost unpopulated, keeps Jack healthy, but not powers him up.
And Papa Smurph has a record of saying silly nonsensical things about Jack... like that "huc" would beat him on Coruscant. It's either poor knowledge of the subject or he's just an Authority hater.
And as for being outside from the city...Jack remains fully functional for about 15 minutes, as seen there- where he wrecks some robots.
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Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Not to mention, Digi darling, that the fight happened on Carrier and Jack couldn't use his urbanopathy- Carrier, being enormous yet almost unpopulated, keeps Jack healthy, but not powers him up.And Papa Smurph has a record of saying silly nonsensical things about Jack... like that "huc" would beat him on Coruscant. It's either poor knowledge of the subject or he's just an Authority hater.
This post was hilarious, incorrect fight AND piss poor knowledge of the characters in question.
Can someone remind me what, exactly, would Jack Hawksmoore do on Coruscant that he couldn't do in NYC? Turn into a planet mech and thus using an ability he himself doesn't even recall he has?
Oh look at the Robin level feats posted in the next post as proof of Hawksmoore's prowess really driving home statements that he isn't overrated and shouldn't be held in too high regard 😂
Stop wanking the Authority, barring the reality manipulators they like to keep on their teams, they're really not that powerful. Hawksmoore runs just fine outside of a city, he had no problem living in a submarine and on the Carrier.
Originally posted by DigiMark007He's also been Hellboyverse Rasputin. 😖hifty:
If we're to believe allusive evidence from The Garden of Ancestral Memory (The Doctor's home dimension) he's been Mohammad and the Buddha as well (though this is a bit speculative, because we see images that are probably them, but we don't know for certain)
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