Illuminati vs. Authority

Originally posted by King Kandy
Well, each Doctor has the power of all previous Doctors. So in Habib's case:

Power of all Doctors before Jeroen. In other words, the same power Jeroen had.

Jeroen's powers, AKA another copy of the same thing. Therefore, Habib is 2x Jeroen.

Not necessarily. There could be considerable overlap. You're assuming that they have all of the last Doctor's strength/powers, plus the exact amount. It doesn't work like that.

For example, Habib could have all of Jeroen's powers/experience, plus a couple others. Or it might be the same power level for all of them, but their experience increases as they gain the experience of past Doctors.

So you're assuming a lot. Yours is only one interpretation among many, and not the most likely one.

Originally posted by Soljer
I can see where your logic comes from, but it's inherently flawed. The 'generational' nature of Doctors points towards an additive process, rather than a multiplicative one.

Right.

Originally posted by Papa Smurph
This post was hilarious, incorrect fight AND piss poor knowledge of the characters in question.

Can someone remind me what, exactly, would Jack Hawksmoore do on Coruscant that he couldn't do in NYC? Turn into a planet mech and thus using an ability he himself doesn't even recall he has?

Oh look at the Robin level feats posted in the next post as proof of Hawksmoore's prowess really driving home statements that he isn't overrated and shouldn't be held in too high regard 😂

Stop wanking the Authority, barring the reality manipulators they like to keep on their teams, they're really not that powerful. Hawksmoore runs just fine outside of a city, he had no problem living in a submarine and on the Carrier.

Huc can beat Jack on a planet-city.
Cap can beat Jack in a city.

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Seriously, I don't "wank" anyone, because I know the detriment of over-playing a person's strength on these forums (see also: Storm, Hulk, etc.). Statements like these get your opinion invalidated by others because they can see for themselves that you're just ridiculously underrating everything about them.

Also, Jack doesn't remember wearing the city as armor? Proof? And if you say, "because he's never done it after that" he'll kill villains, but killing a city full of people to wear it is a bit much even for him.

Also, Jack can exist outside urban environments for brief periods and be fine. Saying "he's been on a sub" means, well, nothing...I don't even know what it begins to prove. But he's never displayed powers in that setting, unless it's H2H.

And the Carrier is considered a city by his physiology. So, um, yeah.

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Somehow you think we just wank the Authority without regard. Apollo's a bad Superman knockoff, but still above the metas. MNer is Batman++ in fighting, Swift is a bird girl with wings...nothing special. Angie's versatile and fairly powerful...again, above metas but not much else. How exactly is this overrating them?

Originally posted by cyberborg84
He's also been Hellboyverse Rasputin. 😖hifty:

Authority #9, Page 16: http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a107/BSDQ/TheAuthority09-16.jpg

Am I the only one who sees Einstein there?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Am I the only one who sees Einstein there?

John Constantine's in there too.

Originally posted by DigiMark007

Huc can beat Jack on a planet-city.
Cap can beat Jack in a city.

There's your annoyingly high fanboyish opinion on the Authority again, point out where I said Captain America would beat Hawksmoore in a city? I pointed out that Cap could knock him out in a H2H even in a city, thus Hawksmoore really isn't impressive d-bility wise (unlike my favorite comparison in Sand who tanks blows from top tiers regularly without even needing to become sand) and implying that Hawksmoore beats Captain America by killing him is a stupid thing to say given the basic knowledge we assume each other have on each other.

You don't think Hulk beats Hawksmoore in Coruscant is fine, but most knowledgeable comic heads who don't wank characters (that I've seen even make respect threads on this forum) believe it'd be a good fight that could go either way, you just wank on the Authority's chord hard.

Honestly your opinion of the Authority is similar to the people who overplay Storm and Hulk's hand. Apollo is in no way shape or form > Namor, you'd be hard pressed to even argue Apollo getting the majority against the Rhino without fighting using his head (something Apollo doesn't do), let alone a true Class 100 like Namor, don't even get me started on Hawksmoore.......

Who hasn't just been in a sub, he LIVED in one, throughout most his stint in Stormwatch Black and between the alien attack and finding the Carrier. He even commented on how sucky the base was. The Carrier is considered a city? Good, that means he's been killed on a city and gotten his stuff handled to him by Midnighter in a city, twice, while MNer was under mindcontrol.

Apollo's a bad Superman knock off that is no higher then Invincible (class 75) without sun ampage and has comparable intelligence to the Rhino. Without a strong leader to boss him around, he's nothing, do NOT even try to compare him to a legit top tier like Namor.

Swift is Angel with claws who kills, more or less, thus she doesn't really add much to fights like this. Midnighter is basically Deathstroke written in a brutal setting, his 'skill' revolves around waiting for his opponent to attack so he can react accordingly, not comparable to Bats in the least bit. Angie's versatile but no greater then Iron-Man, probably lesser then him, definately lesser then his current armor, I could never see Angie handle top tiers like Sentry and Thor any better then the way Iron Man has, in lesser armors.

I see someone who looks like either Ben Franklin or Hellboy's 'father' next to Rasputin.

Btw, does DC own hellboy? If so.......we got a ourselves a continuity gordian knot. shocklaugh I'm fairly sure Rasputin is just an in-joke, but I could be wrong.

Hellboys from Dark Horse.

In-joke then. Still, a rogue doctor who was attempting to summon an elder god entity. Would make for a good authority storyline. Though, I think they already killed one of those.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
In-joke then. Still, a rogue doctor who was attempting to summon an elder god entity. Would make for a good authority storyline. Though, I think they already killed one of those.

Uhhh...

The Authority killed God.

Joey's words are beginning to border on the obsessively bashing, so I'm going to remove myself from the conversation.

I read comics because I enjoy them, not to "wank" (I hate the term, btw) anyone who I may or may not like. I could respond to your points, but why bother? You'll just accuse me of more bias and spout bad Authority facts (I spotted 2 errors in the last post). When someone threatens y enjoyment of the characters, I simply get out. It doesn't matter to me what you think of them (or of me) but I enjoy debating these things, as most of us do. But when someone ruins it it's time to go.

See you in the tourney, Stacks. I hope we meet.

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Originally posted by DigiMark007
Joey's words are beginning to border on the obsessively bashing, so I'm going to remove myself from the conversation.

I read comics because I enjoy them, not to "wank" (I hate the term, btw) anyone who I may or may not like. I could respond to your points, but why bother? You'll just accuse me of more bias and spout bad Authority facts (I spotted 2 errors in the last post). When someone threatens y enjoyment of the characters, I simply get out. It doesn't matter to me what you think of them (or of me) but I enjoy debating these things, as most of us do. But when someone ruins it it's time to go.

See you in the tourney, Stacks. I hope we meet.

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Props to Digi being the bigger man.

Especially when everyone that's read so far has watched Digi smear Stacks in 'debate.'

True dat.

Originally posted by Soljer
Props to Digi being the bigger man.

Especially when everyone that's read so far has watched Digi smear Stacks in 'debate.'

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If I took his words out of context at some point as he's claimed once or twice, my apologies, but it wasn't intended and I never resorting to bashing. I've said he underrates the Authority, which I still believe, but don't believe I did anything reprehensible. The debate was obviously heated, on my side as well, but when it threatened to boil over into more, I stopped.

I'd appreciate confronting me directly about it if you have a problem, and we can discuss it, not announcing it in vague terms to everyone in order to stir up more animosity.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
). When someone threatens y enjoyment of the characters, I simply get out.

Yeah, your constant overration of Authority threatens my enjoyment of the characters. It's so annoying to see someone say Apollo can beat someone obviously out of his range like Namor just like it's annoying to see people say Hulk would beat Thanos or Superman would beat Sentry or some such.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
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If I took his words out of context at some point as he's claimed once or twice, my apologies, but it wasn't intended and I never resorting to bashing. I've said he underrates the Authority, which I still believe, but don't believe I did anything reprehensible. The debate was obviously heated, on my side as well, but when it threatened to boil over into more, I stopped.

I'd appreciate confronting me directly about it if you have a problem, and we can discuss it, not announcing it in vague terms to everyone in order to stir up more animosity.

Who's announcing it? Why are you so soft and take everything so seriously/personal? If you're getting mad over this debate that's you, I'm having a good time.

Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Yeah, your constant overration of Authority threatens my enjoyment of the characters. It's so annoying to see someone say Apollo can beat someone obviously out of his range like Namor just like it's annoying to see people say Hulk would beat Thanos or Superman would beat Sentry or some such.

It has nothing to do with opinions, which everyone is entitled to. It's how you present yourself and those opinions and debates. The fact that I disagree with you about the Authority isn't the issue. It's how it becomes a personal battle of who is right or wrong that turns me off.

And I'm not getting mad, I'm avoiding a potentially negative situation. If I got mad over this stuff, I'd neither be a mod nor a regular on KMC.

You mistake being "soft" for being respectful, which is what I'm trying to be. Return in kind and you'll receive both my and others' additional respect and thanks.

Originally posted by Papa Smurph
Yeah, your constant overration of Authority threatens my enjoyment of the characters. It's so annoying to see someone say Apollo can beat someone obviously out of his range like Namor just like it's annoying to see people say Hulk would beat Thanos or Superman would beat Sentry or some such.

Superman and Sentry. 😆 😆 😆 😆

Originally posted by DigiMark007
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If I took his words out of context at some point as he's claimed once or twice, my apologies, but it wasn't intended and I never resorting to bashing. I've said he underrates the Authority, which I still believe, but don't believe I did anything reprehensible. The debate was obviously heated, on my side as well, but when it threatened to boil over into more, I stopped.

I'd appreciate confronting me directly about it if you have a problem, and we can discuss it, not announcing it in vague terms to everyone in order to stir up more animosity.

Uhhh....

Digi, you seriously misinterpretted what I was saying.

"Watching Digi smear Stacks in 'debate.'" meant that you were very clearly winning the argument between yourself and Joey.

Not that you were bashing.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
It has nothing to do with opinions, which everyone is entitled to. It's how you present yourself and those opinions and debates. The fact that I disagree with you about the Authority isn't the issue. It's how it becomes a personal battle of who is right or wrong that turns me off.

That's how most debates are, one person says something, another person says something hilariously bad about said persons statement, I point it out. If people take themselves so seriously that a few words said over an internet debate is considered disrespect then that speaks more about them then it does to the other party.

If me telling someone they're wrong or are a fanboy or are wanking a fictional character is disrespectful, then that person is soft and I wonder how dull there conversation are when they get into debates with their friends in real life are.

Originally posted by Soljer

"Watching Digi smear Stacks in 'debate.'" meant that you were very clearly winning the argument between yourself and Joey.

I think he understood

but

Coming from you

I don't think Digi appreciated the comment.

Originally posted by Soljer
Uhhh....

Digi, you seriously misinterpretted what I was saying.

"Watching Digi smear Stacks in 'debate.'" meant that you were very clearly winning the argument between yourself and Joey.

Not that you were bashing.

Ah. No worries then.

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And Joey, it's clear you aren't getting the point, but please do try to be more respectful. I'm barely around the vs. forum anymore, so it's not really for my sake but for others. There's less "forward" ways of debating where you can still point out flaws without having to belittle the other person. Because eventually it'll go too far with someone and you and I will be talking again, but for very different reasons. I'd rather not see that happen.