ANH Vader Vs CW Grievous

Who wins?

I am sure that Vader would use the same move that Windu used.

Hell, Grievious was supposed to be badass in these cartoons (caught a few on youtube) but he cannot use the force.

There is nothing to stop Vader having his way with the lawnmower without engaging him with a saber.

Except that Grevious can move Very Fast. Much faster than jedi master Kenobi, and almost certainly faster than Vader. It depends on the arena then, to see if GG can get to Vader fast enough. If he can then Vader loses. Just.

Well, I'll go to swords for the moment.

In ROTS he just twirls the blades very fast and his attacks are quite poor.

Easy to defend against.

The cartoon version though? Well, he does seem very capable with the blades.

Now back to the force: If he can move fast he would probably want to get on his bicycle as getting too close to Vader would put him in danger of being crushed.

So, he can escape with his life at best.

Just my two cents.

its very.... hard to say. boba could have easily killed anh vader at one point just because he had him distracted, and vader didnt choke or crush boba.

my problem with the whole force crush thing is its a darkside move... why would mace do a darkside move?

and then if vader did crush him, it wouldnt kill him, just make him wheez.

and the clone wars grevious is ungodly. it sux how they took all that skill and ripped it off when grevious finally made it to the bigscreen.

i cast my lot in with grevious here...

if vader crushed GG it would be a far stronger version of what mace did and vader could crush GG's limbs since he destroyed that room made of Duralium and Lanthanide when he first woke up in his suit in ROTS.

and i do believe that those to metals together are stronger than Duranium.

but if GG can dodge vaders force attacks like he did Shaak Ti's then GG will take vader down in saber combat.

Vader crushes him like a tin can.

It's called the Force, people, and Vader happens to be a Sith Lord who's rather good with it.

hmm. hard to see, the versus results are. unless its a totally bogus thread. this happens to be a interesting one. vader could be killed by grevious. it would be very circumstantial.

sabers=grevious
force=vader
all out=a)close quarters=grevious (sabers)
b)furthur away=vader wins because of the force

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
hmm. hard to see, the versus results are. unless its a totally bogus thread. this happens to be a interesting one. vader could be killed by grevious. it would be very circumstantial.

sabers=grevious
force=vader
all out=a)close quarters=grevious (sabers)
b)furthur away=vader wins because of the force

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11

my problem with the whole force crush thing is its a darkside move... why would mace do a darkside move?

and then if vader did crush him, it wouldnt kill him, just make him wheez.

Well you pretty much answered your question here. It is a darkside move which is why when Mace used, he may have only used it enough to stop GG, not kill him. Vader, on the other hand, wouldn't do it to just to stop him, he'd do it to kill GG.

Now in sabers, Vader is no slouch and most likely better than 90% of the Jedi that GG killed, however, at this point in time, GG gets Vader in sabers.

Force, obviously there's no contest here. Even if GG gets close, Vader can send him flying backwards like Kenobi did. Or crush him. Or throw shit at him. And its at a distance, then same thing. Vader tools him with the force. Pulls his sabers away from him like OB1 and Anakin did in ROTS. I guess that would help in the all out portion.

All out i have to say Vader for the reasons above. If by some chance GG gets close enough to engage Vader in sabers, then Vader only has so long to increase the distance or fire off a force move. And I don't think that GG would tool Vader physically the way he did Kenobi.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Well you pretty much answered your question here. It is a darkside move which is why when Mace used, he may have only used it enough to stop GG, not kill him. Vader, on the other hand, wouldn't do it to just to stop him, he'd do it to kill GG.

All out i have to say Vader for the reasons above. If by some chance GG gets close enough to engage Vader in sabers, then Vader only has so long to increase the distance or fire off a force move. And I don't think that GG would tool Vader physically the way he did Kenobi.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
^this is just speculation^ and i doubt at this point in time vader would have the power to crush gg like this.

the whole medical room crushing thing is in my mind not as impressive either because:
WHY would they be making medical equipment out of durasteel and super strong crap? they wouldnt. most likely it would be glass or some lesser substance that is not totally like ships armor. could you substantiate that they made the equipment in the hospital out of thick durasteel? if so, please do. we dont make our xrays out of battleship armor.

actually the Emperor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center where vader was operated on was made out of durasteel armor plating as well ass a mixture of lanthanide and duralium alloy as i stated before.

this is from wookieepedia

Dark designs

It was this gloomy location that served as the site of Darth Vader's rebuilding. The Sith stronghold hid in plain sight with large windows that seemed to show that there was nothing to hide. In addition, it relied on the Jedi's weakness of attacking a hospital and risking the patients inside. It featured four landing pads near the top of the structure for emergency cases. The interior was lined with ultra dense walls of neuranium shielding to conceal any radiation leak from the building's reactor. Surrounding this shielding was an exterior shell of durasteel built with armor of a lanthanide and duralium alloy. It was within the ChanPal SuRecon that Palpatine performed acts of Sith Alchemy.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
^this is just speculation^ and i doubt at this point in time vader would have the power to crush gg like this.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
the whole medical room crushing thing is in my mind not as impressive either because:
WHY would they be making medical equipment out of durasteel and super strong crap? they wouldnt. most likely it would be glass or some lesser substance that is not totally like ships armor. could you substantiate that they made the equipment in the hospital out of thick durasteel? if so, please do. we dont make our xrays out of battleship armor.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
all too true.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
anakin/vader have shown incredible telekenesis but, as i said before, grevious can probably take a force crush or two from him. medical equipment is not armor grade durasteel. what is throwing shit at him or pushing him going to do? remember, hes made out of armor grade stuff.... my point is if mace couldnt crush him to death, how could vader?

And you're saying that his armor is armor grade durasteel? So OB1 has the physical strength to bend durasteel? I doubt it. And in any case, Vader has a considerable strength advantage over OB1, and the force only amplifies physical (and some not) abilities.

So if Mace cant then Vader can't? That's horrible logic. Yoda is more powerful than Mace, yes? Well, as i recall, Mace did a hell of a lot better against Sidious than Yoda did. But if Yoda can't do it, then Mace can't do it, right?

Vader is a beast with the force and would completely dismantle GG with it, if he chose to.

I'd also actually be willing to bet that, with his armor on and with his type of fighting style, Vader could beat CW Grievous in saber combat as well. Maybe even the majority...

Hmm...wasn't it said that his suit/armor could protect against some lightsaber strikes? I doubt that GG's could. Although it would be 4 on 1, saber-wise.

Yeah that's why I said that with his armor on he could stand a chance. Luke's shoulder strike barely even dented it. I'm pretty sure it even has some cortosis weaved into it. I'll for the source for that. I'd be willing to say that his suit could take a few hits.

what about when luke easily cut off vaders hand in ROTJ? his suit didn't look very lightsaber resistant then.

It certainty did when he hit his shoulder and the lightsaber literally bounced off. It looked even more so when Han shot him in the hand repeatedly and nothing happened..

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
It certainty did when he hit his shoulder and the lightsaber literally bounced off. It looked even more so when Han shot him in the hand repeatedly and nothing happened..

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
How so? How would he not have the power to crush a throat? You'd have to prove that Vader isn't that powerful. And it's not really speculation. Mace, as a Jedi and practitioner of the lightside of the force, does not use the for offense to kill. Vader does as wielder of the darkside of the force. So it only stands to reason that where a Jedi would stop, a Sith would continue. Granted, Vaapad allows mace to enjoy the fight and tiptoe on the line separating light and dark, but that's a line a Jedi master wouldn't cross.

more speculation.