ANH Vader Vs CW Grievous

Originally posted by darthsith19
Calm down dude why are you getting so worked up when nobody ever even hinted that Vader couldn't use the Force to deflect blaster bolts? We were discussing how much protection he gets from his armor and therefore the "blocking blaster bolt with his hand" came up, but nobody ever suggested that he couldn't do it with the Force.

Is it because of the "how the hell did he?". Anyways its just a bad habit for me to type in hell everytime i make a statement. That does not mean im worked up though.

Racist.

yea....

Reported.

Don't go off-topic.

because you touch yourself at night....

Because I grew tired of having your Mom do it.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Because I grew tired of having your Mom do it.

...You as well, huh? 😱

Yeah, only on Thursdays though. She's not really the best.. she tends to graze with her teeth.

I'll probably call her over when REX comes over on spring break.

what on earth makes anyone think Greivous could take OT trilogy Vader in a lightsaber duel, when he culdnt even take ROTS Kenobi????

Also Dooku toys with Greivous while sparring, and Anakin took out Dooku at such a young age.. Vader might not have been as physically capable after being chopped to pieces by Obi-Wan, but he had years to catch up to that level. and im sure Lucas has stated he eventually surpassed his ROTS self.

However Vaders midi-chlorian count stayed the same, so his Force Powers had definetely improved massively by the OT. 80% of Sidious's level, and remember Sidious's mastery of the Force would have been even greater by the OT, with another 20-25 years of Mastering the Dark Side.

Also who says Greivous was fast and Vader was slow. Just because they didnt have CG effects back in those days?? and Vader never had much competition for us to see the upper limits of his physical body.

Vader was a cyborg like Grievous. In fact Grevious was the sort of prequel to Vader.

So I say Vader takes Greivous in a lightsaber fight close up. Destroys him with his Force powers. and overall just destroys him.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
what on earth makes anyone think Greivous could take OT trilogy Vader in a lightsaber duel, when he culdnt even take ROTS Kenobi????

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
what on earth makes anyone think Greivous could take OT trilogy Vader in a lightsaber duel, when he culdnt even take ROTS Kenobi????

Also Dooku toys with Greivous while sparring, and Anakin took out Dooku at such a young age.. Vader might not have been as physically capable after being chopped to pieces by Obi-Wan, but he had years to catch up to that level. and im sure Lucas has stated he eventually surpassed his ROTS self.

While I'm not saying Grievous would win or lose there is some things that need to be addressed.

Have you seen the clone wars cartoons? Grievous is extremely fast and has dodged force attacks and missles among other things. And Dooku didn't always toy with Grievous if I recall correctly Dooku stated that he was often "hard pressed" to repel Grievous in their training sessions. And you do realize that Cw Grievous>ROTS Grievous and that ROTS Kenobi was specifically chosen due to soresu being the best form to face him.

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
While I'm not saying Grievous would win or lose there is some things that need to be addressed.

Have you seen the clone wars cartoons? Grievous is extremely fast and has dodged force attacks and missles among other things. And Dooku didn't always toy with Grievous if I recall correctly Dooku stated that he was often "hard pressed" to repel Grievous in their training sessions. And you do realize that Cw Grievous>ROTS Grievous and that ROTS Kenobi was specifically chosen due to soresu being the best form to face him.

ok so Dooku was hard pressed when sparring him, but still his superior. And Young Anakin was Dookus superior in Lightsaber dueling.

There was no mention of Soresu or Obi-Wans style in the movie, just that to face Greivous "A Master with more experience is needed" and then Obi-Wan was top of their list. The movie made out because he was the best Master out of the ones who were available to go.

Yeah I remember how tough Grievous was in CW, and was a bit disappointed by his easy defeat in ROTS. But even in Clone wars he was no match for Mace who just Force Crushed him right away as soon as GG pulled out his lightsabers. If Mace can do that then Darth shuldnt have a problem.

Originally posted by skywalker833
Dude, anyone can take ANH vader, he's a rusty piece of junk. And barely anyone can take ROTS kenobi!

Originally posted by skywalker833
Dude, anyone can take ANH vader, he's a rusty piece of junk. And barely anyone can take ROTS kenobi!

Rusty piece of Junk??? Well I think thats totally ruining the biggest on screen villain in movie history. Dnt let the fact that it was an old movie with no CG effects cloud your judgment about how powerful Vader was! He had the same midichlorian count as Anakin but with an added 20 years of mastering the dark side!

and why would Grievous's cyborg armour be so slick, fast and agile, and then just to give Vader a rusty piece of junk?? that wuldnt make sense. The whole idea of introducing Greivous was to show a kind of run up to Vader.

its not that ROTS Kenobis not tough, but its just that he was barely a match for the young Vader no match for Count Dooku so he wuld not fair too well against Vader in his prime.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Rusty piece of Junk??? Well I think thats totally ruining the biggest on screen villain in movie history. Dnt let the fact that it was an old movie with no CG effects cloud your judgment about how powerful Vader was! He had the same midichlorian count as Anakin but with an added 20 years of mastering the dark side!

and why would Grievous's cyborg armour be so slick, fast and agile, and then just to give Vader a rusty piece of junk?? that wuldnt make sense. The whole idea of introducing Greivous was to show a kind of run up to Vader.

its not that ROTS Kenobis not tough, but its just that he was barely a match for the young Vader no match for Count Dooku so he wuld not fair too well against Vader in his prime.

"In terms of Sith, if you have Sith Lords there's usually no more than two because if there's three, two of them will gang up on one of them to try and become the dominant Sith. And Anakin would have been able to do it if he hadn't been debilitated. And now he's half machine and half man so he's lost a lot of the power in the Force and has lost a lot of feasibility to be more powerful than the Emperor."

And Ivalice, in case you are confused, I'm not saying Grievous > Vader.

Originally posted by darthsith19
True but this is EU Grievous, not ROTS Grievous. And ROTS Vader > OT Vader. This is George Lucas from the ESB Audio Commentary:

"In terms of Sith, if you have Sith Lords there's usually no more than two because if there's three, two of them will gang up on one of them to try and become the dominant Sith. And Anakin would have been able to do it if he hadn't been debilitated. And now he's half machine and half man so he's lost a lot of the power in the Force and has lost a lot of feasibility to be more powerful than the Emperor."

And "lost alot of power" could = to "losing alot of potential". Because the more potential = the more power". So vader merely lost alot of potential which limited his strength in the force, he didn't become weaker in the force seeing that he still was able to wtf pwn the emperors medical room and perform remarkable feats throughout his life.

Whats there to say he didn't regain his lost power throughout the years?

And "lost alot of power" could = to "losing alot of potential". Because the more potential = the more power". So vader merely lost alot of potential which limited his strength in the force, he didn't become weaker in the force seeing that he still was able to wtf pwn the emperors medical room and perform remarkable feats throughout his life.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Well that was said on the ESB AC. He has lost a lot of power, not he lost a lot of power. It was speaking in context of ESB.

That could be it, but then why does Lucas say "he's lost a lot of the power in the Force and has lost a lot of feasibility to be more powerful than the Emperor" and not just one of the other? Destroying some objects that reside within a medical room is nothing compared to LoE Anakin making a football stadium sized room collapse by simply yelling.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
ok so Dooku was hard pressed when sparring him, but still his superior. And Young Anakin was Dookus superior in Lightsaber dueling.

There was no mention of Soresu or Obi-Wans style in the movie, just that to face Greivous "A Master with more experience is needed" and then Obi-Wan was top of their list. The movie made out because he was the best Master out of the ones who were available to go.

Yeah I remember how tough Grievous was in CW, and was a bit disappointed by his easy defeat in ROTS. But even in Clone wars he was no match for Mace who just Force Crushed him right away as soon as GG pulled out his lightsabers. If Mace can do that then Darth shuldnt have a problem.

and why would Grievous's cyborg armour be so slick, fast and agile, and then just to give Vader a rusty piece of junk?? that wuldnt make sense. The whole idea of introducing Greivous was to show a kind of run up to Vader

The only reason why this maybe true is because the only thing that survived from Grievous's original body was his organs so they could build anything from there since he had no limbs that needed to be built around. While Vader still had his upper thighs and part of his arms left as well as part of his torso and chest/neck area remaining they needed to build around that. Grievous was like 90% cyborg and Vader was more around 70%-80% cyborg.

Mace was helping a wounded Shaak Tii out the door or something and GG jumped in front of him and ignited all his lightsabers, then Mace just held out one hand crushed him, then kept on going.