Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
It certainty did when he hit his shoulder and the lightsaber literally bounced off. It looked even more so when Han shot him in the hand repeatedly and nothing happened..
first off in ESB luke barely hit him and second go watch empire again when Han shoots vader. Vader deflects the blasts with the force if you look to the wall to the left of the screen you will see where the deflected blasts hit.
Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
did i mention that sideous would have tooled windu in the force?
Speculation
Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
greivious is mean and strong. esb luke is wimpy and vaders shoulder took a glancing blow. greivious probably has 50 times the strength of luke so i dont see where this is relevent.
speculation.
A lightsaber is a lightsaber. It does the same type of damage to certain materials. Granted Luke's was a glancing blow, but it still didn't go through his armor, it bounced off. It was no weaker a blow then when QGJ pushed his into the blast doors.
Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
greivious is mean and strong. esb luke is wimpy and vaders shoulder took a glancing blow. greivious probably has 50 times the strength of luke so i dont see where this is relevent.
I think you are underestimating ANH Vader quite a bit. Even after ROTS, Vader was still one of the best duelists. His power and potential did reduce, but he is still stated to have 80% of Sidious' potential and power at his peak (I don't remember the source, if someone does, please post). Even if CW GG wins this, it will be a very close match (and he probably doesn't). I don't understand what makes you think Vader is not strong with the Force by ANH. That's just plain speculation from your part.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Speculationspeculation.
A lightsaber is a lightsaber. It does the same type of damage to certain materials. Granted Luke's was a glancing blow, but it still didn't go through his armor, it bounced off. It was no weaker a blow then when QGJ pushed his into the blast doors.
speculation....
and... believe it or not, as a result of hyraulics, and being made out of steel and being a machine, he would be way stronger then luke (maybe not 50 times...) but im not debating this because it is still speculation as you said before.
wookiepedia on grevious' body:
where Poggle the Lesser and his Geonosian scientists implanted his brain and eyes into a duranium alloy body reminiscent of a Krath war droid, complete with LX-44 robotic legs. His vital organs were housed in a synthskin gut-sack impervious to vacuum.
on duranium:
Duranium was a substance much stronger than either Transparisteel or Bronzium. It was extremely durable, and was capable of withstanding a glancing blow from a lightsaber; however, it also had a very high melting point, making it difficult to shape.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unknown_Soldier:_The_Story_of_General_Grievous this is where i read that his body could withstand a blow from a ship's cannon.
so he is actually made out of some nice armor pl8
Originally posted by Lt. Valerian
I think you are underestimating ANH Vader quite a bit. Even after ROTS, Vader was still one of the best duelists. His power and potential did reduce, but he is still stated to have 80% of Sidious' potential and power at his peak (I don't remember the source, if someone does, please post). Even if CW GG wins this, it will be a very close match (and he probably doesn't). I don't understand what makes you think Vader is not strong with the Force by ANH. That's just plain speculation from your part.
this has nothing to do with what i said, i didnt say that he wasnt strong with the force, i said that luke wasnt strong enough to make his glancing blow damage vader's shoulder. however, grevious is strong enough that probably any blow would dammage vader.
and... I never said that vader sucked or was crappy or any some such nonsence... i said that he would get smoked at close range lightsaber combat. and if he lost some potential and skill, what, was he 99% of sideous during the clone wars?
the point is, obi wan could barely take him out, and he gave anakin a sound spanking, and then anakin decreased in power and potential after the suit (no canon resources say this, but if you guys say it, ill run with it just to turn it on you) so: grevious<obiwan>anakin>vader hmm see how this is working out?
Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
I've seen much more convinving evidence from Advent and a few others to believe that that wasn't the force.
either way Han's dl-44 is not as powerful as a lightsaber blade. and vader did reflect those blasts he didn't just take them thats is canon as it is seen in the movie.
Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
I've seen much more convinving evidence from Advent and a few others to believe that that wasn't the force.
Faster than the wink of an eye, Han draws his blaster and
pops off a couple of shots directly at Vader. The Dark Lord
quickly raises his hand, deflecting the bolts into one of the
side walls, where they explode harmlessly. Just as quickly,
Han's weapon zips into Vader's hand. The evil presence calmly
places the gun on the table in front of him.
Assuming Vader doesn't use the Force to crush Grievous' organs like Windu did (don't see why he couldn't), then I'd say Grievous wins.
Grievous at full, uncrushed, strength is flippin' ridiculous in speed and strength, for a cyborg. I'm not gonna say what's already been said, but I just can not see how Vader is going to withstand a barrage of four lightsabers twirling with the speed and strength that Grievous can make them go.
Originally posted by darthsith19Unfortunately, that doesn't say with what he deflected them. You deflect a blaster bolt with something tangible. It doesn't have to be the force. As i recall, his glove was smoking a bit, leading one to believe that he blocked them with his hand. If it was the force (and never touched his hand) then why even raise your hand? You wouldn't need to.
From the script:Faster than the wink of an eye, Han draws his blaster and
, where they explode harmlessly. Just as quickly,
pops off a couple of shots directly at Vader. The Dark Lord
quickly raises his hand, [b]deflecting the bolts into one of the
side walls
Han's weapon zips into Vader's hand. The evil presence calmly
places the gun on the table in front of him. [/B]
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Unfortunately, that doesn't say with what he deflected them. You deflect a blaster bolt with something tangible. It doesn't have to be the force. As i recall, his glove was smoking a bit, leading one to believe that he blocked them with his hand. If it was the force (and never touched his hand) then why even raise your hand? You wouldn't need to.
Ok then why did vader raise his hand in ANH to choke that moff while on the death star.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Unfortunately, that doesn't say with what he deflected them. You deflect a blaster bolt with something tangible. It doesn't have to be the force. As i recall, his glove was smoking a bit, leading one to believe that he blocked them with his hand. If it was the force (and never touched his hand) then why even raise your hand? You wouldn't need to.
Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
Ok then why did vader raise his hand in ANH to choke that moff while on the death star.
Exactly, people always raise their hands... wheh has anybody ever blocked or deflected laserbolts with the Force without riasing their hand? Also, as I stated before, Vader's right glove is indestructible. Good point about the glove smoking, though.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Glove_of_Darth_Vader
But I'm not sure anymore, I think it's an unknown whether or not Vader used the Force.
That picture shows those little icicle's stopping at least half a foot away from Obi-Wan's hand... whereas the blaster bolts not only stopped on his glove, but, as Subject pointed out, caused his hand to start smoking.. if there was no actual contact with the suit then the glove wouldn't be smoking.