Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I wonder if this law passes what would happen to all those white pasty clowns? They would be jobless.hmm
Oh well, here is the dancing clown:
p.s. don't bother asking what the hell is wrong with me. You guys should be use to it by now.
wow, that clown looks freaky...like out of a horror film.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Equality law could bar white men from jobs
Originally posted by KidRock
C.O.R.I? You think that has something to do with racial discrimination against blacks getting jobs?"requires all schools to conduct criminal background checks on current and prospective employees and volunteers, including those who regularly provide school related transportation to students, who may have direct and unmonitored contact with children."
How is an education system conducting criminal backround checks on future or current employees holding back black people from getting jobs? Sure they have the highest incarceration rate.. but thats really not anyone fault but their own..I think C.O.R.I is a great thing.
Factors to Consider in Reviewing a Record
1. the type of offense (is it a felony or misdemeanor);
2. the nature of the offense;
3. whether the charge resulted in a conviction;
4. the type of sentence;
5. whether the individual successfully completed probation;
6. the date of the offense; and
7. whether the individual has been arrested subsequently.I dont see anything to do with race.
You can't see not cause you're blind. It's cause you don't wanna see it. C'mon. You get more time for possession crack cocaine, which is predominantly in the ghetto, which is predominantly black/minority, while some 24 yr. old whiteboy gets less time for getting caught with powered cocaine in the suburbs, of the same weight. With daddy ultimately expunging the offence from timmy's criminal record. Allowing him to be accepted to a good college and a great job. The Black kid, with the public defender, gets 5-10 yrs. cause an all white judge and jury convicted him of felony possession on a 1st offense, at 15-16 yrs old. One kid'll get outta jail a man (maybe), reformed, and ready to become a productive member of society and and timmy's still timmy. Guess who'll get a job faster than lighting?
It's a set up. To me, C.O.R.I. needs to be reformed. But employers, which are mostly white, will never fully have that; to give someone, a reformed person, the opportunity to advance. Todays metro, the world's most circulated newspaper had on it's cover, something along the lines of, "C.O.R.I. to be reformed", in big letters, i wanted to pick it up but i'll find it online later. I hope they make some changes. How is it that you get treated like a felon by an employer, whom probably does drugs, and won't get hired today cause you were caught with something as small as a bag weed 5 yrs. ago, even when you've changed for the better, as a black man.
Originally posted by Devil King
Can we see any law from the last forty years? How about one from the last "hundreds" of years?
Jim Crowe laws were hate fueled laws that legalized segregation of and discrimination against African Americans after the United States Civil War. Named after a popular 19th-century minstrel song that stereotyped African Americans, "Jim Crow" came to personify the system of government-sanctioned racial oppression and segregation in the United States. Jim Crow laws established that "separate was equal" system between the races. The Supreme Court ruling in 1896 in Plessy v. Ferguson that separate facilities for whites and blacks were constitutional encouraged the passage of discriminatory laws that wiped out the gains made by blacks during Reconstruction. Railways and streetcars, public waiting rooms, restaurants, boardinghouses, theaters, and public parks were segregated; separate schools, hospitals, and other public institutions, generally of inferior quality, were designated for blacks.
Jim Crow laws stuck around in the United States until they were chipped away at in the Supreme Court case Brown vs. Board of Education, Topeka, in 1954, which ruled that "separate but equal" was not, in fact, equal. The laws were further eroded during the Civil Rights movement, led by Martin Luther King, and the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of1965, and the Fair Housing Act of 1968.
http://www.legal-definitions.com/civil-rights-law/what-are-jim-crow-laws.htm
Originally posted by Bardock42
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html
I don't see anything.
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Jim Crowe laws were hate fueled laws that legalized segregation of and discrimination against African Americans after the United States Civil War. Named after a popular 19th-century minstrel song that stereotyped African Americans, "Jim Crow" came to personify the system of government-sanctioned racial oppression and segregation in the United States. Jim Crow laws established that "separate was equal" system between the races. The Supreme Court ruling in 1896 in Plessy v. Ferguson that separate facilities for whites and blacks were constitutional encouraged the passage of discriminatory laws that wiped out the gains made by blacks during Reconstruction. Railways and streetcars, public waiting rooms, restaurants, boardinghouses, theaters, and public parks were segregated; separate schools, hospitals, and other public institutions, generally of inferior quality, were designated for blacks.[B]Jim Crow laws stuck around in the United States until they were chipped away at in the Supreme Court case Brown vs. Board of Education, Topeka, in 1954, which ruled that "separate but equal" was not, in fact, equal.
The laws were further eroded during the Civil Rights movement, led by Martin Luther King, and the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of1965, and the Fair Housing Act of 1968.http://www.legal-definitions.com/civil-rights-law/what-are-jim-crow-laws.htm [/B]
Can you find any Jim Crow laws in the link posted by Bardock?
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
once, long ago. I was going to go to college, but, i realized im not black or MExican and would actually have to pay.
Funny you should mention that. My white (ginger, actually) coworker was a ridiculously good Cello player.
He auditioned to attend Juilliard. He auditioned late but there was one "slot" left. He had to beat out another person. His grades were identical to the other guys so it literally came down to the audition. I think they had to write an essay or something but, basically, they were dead even in all categories until they played audition.
He performed very well and scored slightly better than the other gentleman.
Guess who got the slot?
Anyone?
You guessed it....NOT my coworker. The other player was African American. My coworker said that before they even started to compare the two, the other guy was automatically awarded 10 points for his skin color.(A disadvantage for anyone other than another race that gets awarded 10 points from the get go.) My coworker scored just barely better...something like two points. He asked the counselor why the hell he was lead onto believe that he even stood a chance (something about points...unless the other guy just totally bombed the audition...there was no way in hell my coworker would have gotten the slot.) The counselor said something about they both had to get the opportunity to play to meet some kind of guideline. I don't know how Juilliard works...but that kind of sucked. It may ave been a government grant qualification, or something. So many minorities attending and you get money or something? I am just guessing at this point.
IMO, the better candidate should have gotten the slot. I don't see a skin color, I see a cello player.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Equality law could bar white men from jobs
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
You can't see not cause you're blind. It's cause you don't wanna see it. C'mon. You get more time for possession crack cocaine, which is predominantly in the ghetto, which is predominantly black/minority, while some 24 yr. old whiteboy gets less time for getting caught with powered cocaine in the suburbs, of the same weight. With daddy ultimately expunging the offence from timmy's criminal record. Allowing him to be accepted to a good college and a great job. The Black kid, with the public defender, gets 5-10 yrs. cause an all white judge and jury convicted him of felony possession on a 1st offense, at 15-16 yrs old. One kid'll get outta jail a man (maybe), reformed, and ready to become a productive member of society and and timmy's still timmy. Guess who'll get a job faster than lighting?It's a set up. To me, C.O.R.I. needs to be reformed. But employers, which are mostly white, will never fully have that; to give someone, a reformed person, the opportunity to advance. Todays metro, the world's most circulated newspaper had on it's cover, something along the lines of, "C.O.R.I. to be reformed", in big letters, i wanted to pick it up but i'll find it online later. I hope they make some changes. How is it that you get treated like a felon by an employer, whom probably does drugs, and won't get hired today cause you were caught with something as small as a bag weed 5 yrs. ago, even when you've changed for the better, as a black man.
Nice false dilemma, crack cocaine isn't a Black only drug, just as powered cocaine isn't solely a White drug.
C.O.R.I. isn't race sensitive, it doesn't say "A Black criminal gets this and a White criminal gets that", so you're argument is insane. Anyhow, how would you reform it?
Originally posted by Robtard
You should let him know that "Jim Crow" started in 1876, ended in 1965 and there weren't in all of America; just the Southern/border states, before he makes a further ass of himself.
Where's the fun in preventing that?
But the Jim Crow laws were actually in more than just the southern states. But, there is no denying that those laws were a state matter. An issue that never makes it into the race based tirades of most black and white soapboxers.
But beyond the fact that those laws haven't been around in 40 years, I actually see the relevance of arguing that some black people won't forget that race is an issue, any more than there are white people who can't let it go. What concerns me more than anything is that most people of the younger generation of black people have been raised by those members of the older generation and will actually go out of their way to segregate themselves; that they'll hold on to a prejudice as a matter of ethnic identity.
Originally posted by Devil King
Where's the fun in preventing that?But the Jim Crow laws were actually in more than just the southern states. But, there is no denying that those laws were a state matter. An issue that never makes it into the race based tirades of most black and white soapboxers.
But beyond the fact that those laws haven't been around in 40 years, I actually see the relevance of arguing that some black people won't forget that race is an issue, any more than there are white people who can't let it go. What concerns me more than anything is that most people of the younger generation of black people have been raised by those members of the older generation and will actually go out of their way to segregate themselves; that they'll hold on to a prejudice as a matter of ethnic identity.
In response to your last paragraph, it's certainly like a crutch (or cross) "you" purposely hold onto. I'll never understand why any Black person born in the 70's and beyond (earlier actually) cries like they were oppressed like their grand parents and beyond might have been, sure they make have gone through some shit in their life, but the same(?). To me, it ridiculous and lessons the shit those people had to endure.
If I recall correctly, Chris Rock (or maybe another comic) made a funny, yet insightful point about this.
And it's a touchy area. It's a fine line between pointing out your lack of racism and sounding like we're telling them they should consider themselves lucky we granted them anything at all.
It's the same idea that fires in my head when I hear people talk about gay rights, like they have any right to pass judgement or laws simply because they think they're entitled to be asked for permission based soley on the idea that they consider it abnormal or out of place in their white bread, southern baptist lives; like who the hell are they to think they can have a say in who I am? Well, they're the people. And they're what the political machine feeds on. So, what blacks, white, gays, straight, christians, athiests, etc. should be pissed off about is the reality that we're all beholdent to a politicacl system that feeds off our differences but claims to want to eliminate them. There are only two groups in this country: those who can afford to live in it and those who cannot.
It's not "you should feel lucky we gave you", it's more, don't complain about shit that DIDN'T happen to you and about people that DIDN'T do anything to you. Should the Jews of today be pointing the finger at the Egyptians for hundreds of years of slavery?
Yeah, that's about right, "green" is becoming the only color barrier.
On the aspects of gays though, there are factual laws that deny equal rights though.
Originally posted by Robtard
It's not "you should feel lucky we gave you", it's more, don't complain about shit that DIDN'T happen to you and about people that DIDN'T do anything to you. Should the Jews of today be pointing the finger at the Egyptians for hundreds of years of slavery?Yeah, that's about right, "green" is becoming the only color barrier.
On the aspects of gays though, there are factual laws that deny equal rights though.
In point of fact, they still hate the Egyptians. But, not really for slavery they likely realize didn't happen. In fact, most Jews have gotten so far past the literal interpretation of their holy books that they realize the use in a parable or a metaphore. This is one area in which they have far out-evolved many of their christian counterparts.
But I truly do believe that many black people hear two or three white people discussing racism and make the leap to understanding it as white people expressing how grateful they should be for what we've given them. Like I said, it's often the same knee jerk reaction to the discussion of gay rights that I have when I hear those conversations.
Even Jim Crow laws were touted as seperate, BUT equal. Despite the reality that they were no such thing.
Oddly enough, one thing that many black and white men can agree on, is that faggots deserve their equal disdain.
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Originally posted by FistOfThe North
You get more time for possession crack cocaine, which is predominantly in the ghetto, which is predominantly black/minority, while some 24 yr.
So if a white gets caught with the same amount, under the same circumstances, they get the same amount of time as a black person does. And also whos fault is it that the ghetto is predominantly black/minority? Let me guess..white peoples fault?
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Y while some 24 yr. old whiteboy gets less time for getting caught with powered cocaine in the suburbs, of the same weight. With daddy ultimately expunging the offence from timmy's criminal record. Allowing him to be accepted to a good college and a great job.
I am just pointing this out so everyone can see how delusional and paranoid and afraid you are of 'the man'. Really...go out and live in the real world kid. Sounds like you got ****ed over somehow and instead of blaming yourself you blame it on white people that you didnt get the job, or you didnt get into college..take some responsibility.
I was going to respond to everything else..but after reading over it I realized its pure racist garbage.
What I said stands true..C.O.R.I has no racial incentives..unless you're considering all blacks to be criminals?
Originally posted by King Kandy
How many Black kids do you think can take Cello lessons compared to white kids?
See below.
Originally posted by Robtard
Probably a lot less, but making a (racist)l aw that denies that "white kid" equal rights based on race isn't the answer. Two wrongs do not make a right, any which way you splice it.
Indeed. That former young man's hopes and dreams were virtually shattered. Now he works in IT fixing computers...
The closest he gets to harmonizing is server clusters.
Originally posted by King Kandy
How many Black kids do you think can take Cello lessons compared to white kids?
So should some black kids on the high school basketball team not be allowed on the team because there are too many already..and a white kid who isnt as good should be let on?
Or we shouldnt put black people in prison there are too many..we should let the white guys in instead..I kid, I kid.