EVANGEL94's Final Slugfest Tournament: Round 3-2; Typhus vs Id369

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Typhus

Morg (Power Cosmic/No Waters of Life)Herald of Galactus - 6 points
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Morg

Red Shift Herald of Galactus - 6 points
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Red_Shift

Terrax Herald of Galactus - 6 points
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrax

Stardust Herald of Galactus - 6 points
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Stardust

15 minutes of battlefield prep - 1 point

Total 25 points

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id369

Originally posted by id369
I am purchasing the followings.
2 – Prep Time, Lv. 2: One(1) hour spent in either a mystic sanctum or scientific lab
4 – Power Boosting: 4 points for each character boosted and if this is done in prep, it is added on to prep points
5 – Knowledge of the Opposition, Lv. 3: Extensive knowledge of all opponents on opposing team including strengths and weaknesses

What I have bought.
Amlagam Name: The Rapture
6 - Shaman X-Man (Mind)
4- Jan Grey (Body)
4 – Amalgam, Lv. 1: A combination of two characters

[center]Total 25 points

2007 X-Men - Messiah Complex (Mutant Files)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Grey
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Phoenix_(Jean_Grey)

Official Hand Book of the Marvel Universe (2004)
Book of the Dead.

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/8991/46lx9.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Man
http://www.marvel.com/universe/X-Man[/CENTER] [/B]

Area

h) An empty and abandoned Asteroid M -
The forcefield will surround the entire Asteroid, and the empty space surrounding the asteroid in a sphere shape. The asteroid is orbiting around Earth.

Amlagam Name: The Rapture
6 - Shaman X-Man (Mind)
4- Jean Grey (Body)
4 – Amalgam, Lv. 1: A combination of two characters

Options bought.
2 – Prep Time, Lv. 2: One(1) hour spent in either a mystic sanctum or scientific lab
4 – Power Boosting: 4 points for each character boosted and if this is done in prep, it is added on to prep points
5 – Knowledge of the Opposition, Lv. 3: Extensive knowledge of all opponents on opposing team including strengths and weaknesses

Prep Area ~ X-Mansion’s “Cerebra Room”
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Unleash Nate’s Full Potential.
The Rapture proceeds to unleash Nate Grey Full Potential. The Rapture does not have to worry of the negative repercussions, of unleashing Phoenix Level of powers [ Cable #29 ]; thanks to the Omega Level Body [ U. X-Men #135 ].

Cerebra
Now The Rapture places here self in Cerebra to farther augment her mental powers.

Recreate Jean Grey.

I will know recreate a feat done in X-Man issue 5 and 37. No matter/organic manipulation has taken place. The Psionic Essence is pulled from the astral plane, and inserted in the psionic shell you call her body.

Reforming a shattered mind

The Rapture will now heal Jean mind. She will link her mind across her shattered self, and reform it into a complete one. Jean’s mind is now complete, the greater benefice is the Phoenix Conscious now intertwines with Jeans.

Fusion
I will now pull of a feat done from issue X-Man #70, 73, and 74. The Rapture and Jean Grey will merge with one another to become a single being.
X-Man #73 ~ [ [X] ]~[ [X] ]~[ [X] ]

Note: No organic transmutation has taken place. Upon unleashing Nate’s Full power, The Rapture became a being of pure energy. Jean Grey is a being of Pure energy, with Jean Grey Conscious.

Unleash White Phoenix of the Crown
With Phoenix/Jean conscious merged, The Rapture will call forth the Phoenix Force. No surprise, what was the point of scouring across the galaxy only to locate them and reestablish a link with one another?

I now end my prep by placing a TK Shield, making a psionic armor and reinforcing mental shields. I finish up by merging between two planes. Co Existing in the astral/physical plane at the same time.

The Battle Plan
Plan is simple, I gets to play keep away. Unleashing wave after wave, of AoE attacks at full strength (Cosmic, Telekinetic, Raw Psionic, and Telepathic). Basically I just lay down the hammer on the opposing side.

Things to keep in mind.

4 – Power Boosting: 4 points for each character boosted and if this is done in prep, it is added on to prep points.

Are you a fan of power stacking? Ok lets run the numbers.

1 - Nate + Jean = More power. Yes if energies are identical no power stacking take place. However, with the option bought, it gets added on automatically.

2 - Nate Unleashed - Nate has Omega Level Powers, Jean has an omega level body. What happens when you unleash its full power? The character ascends, into a higher form. No longer human but living energy, and with a crap load of power.

3 - Attain White Phoenix of the Crown - Not only do I add on Abstract level power, but powers that are stated to be Phoenix level are naturally augmented .

4 - Psi Character + Astral Plan = More power - In case you didn’t know, if a character with a natural affinity to psi, shifts itself into the astral plane. Well he happens to gain a bonus amp.

Note: Remember I drafted Shaman X-Man who are 2 Nates that merged to reconstruct each other bodies, and augment their abilities and powers.
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Intangibility Haxed!
In my prep The Rapture merging between the astral and the physical plane [ X-Men/Onslaught ]. It’s a nice trick, it permits me to co-exist in both planes at the same time [ The Uncanny X-Men #336 ]. In the astral realm I retain full shields, and abilities and what not. While in the physical plane, I remain invisible and ethereal. However I can exact my full force, in the physical world and still retain invisible & ethereal features. It’s basically a I higher form of intangibility (the highest one I ever come cross XD)[ X-Man/Flashback ]. But there is an added plus, for Psi characters like me that remain in the astral world we get to siphon more energy from the astral realm making us more powerful[ Cable #35 ].

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Telepathy is no longer an option.
All telepathy is governed through the astral plane, aka the plane that is formed from the collective conscious of all living sentient beings within the universe. You want to link minds, it runs its course through the astral plane, let it be done through Psychic, mystic, or even power of cosmic.

As you may now, every time young Nate flexed its psi muscle’s it created ripples in the astral plane. What happens when a powerful psionic character enters the Astral Plane and flexes his muscles? It creates a massive interference, disrupting any form of telepathy within the vicinity. Bullshit right, I am making up claims….. or am I? I know so because we have seen this happen, take note from Onslaught a psionic being, and the interface he put up that shunt all Earth Telepath's. Ok now take note, that is Onslaught at base, hardly an X-Man unleashed (which is the current situation). A more powerful psi, co-existing in the astral plane. And the battle field is less then the totality of the planet. Safe bet would be any one within the planet is going to be shunt from using its means to apply any form of telepathy.

So yes locating The Rapture is going to be a task.

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Contingency Plan, What if an actual confrontation?
I would like to know how one will be capable of pounding living energy to death? Hmmm…at least I don’t have to worry about physical attacks. And lets disregard the power stacking for the moment (some of it). During prep, I placed the followings:

Mental Shields: You have to keep in mind I have mental shields, no form of mind meddling will take place.

Telekinetic Shield: They are suffice enough to hold off attacks from M’Kran Crystal Gurdian, who power was augmented by the Nexus of Reality itself.

Golden Psionic Armor: The same armor that was given to Hulk, is now being worn by The Rapture. Its stat boost was enough to trade blows with Thanos, and win the exchange.

Note: Those are independent constructs, The Rapture can go into intangimode if need be.

Sorry I'm late, was at work and didn't have access to my scans. Anyway it says too many images - does anyone know what the limit for thumbnails is? Thanks in advance.

(Nevermind, I think I got it) Ok, Part 1
Alright, I’m going to have a lot of scans, but they’re all relevant. Each one depicts what I’m explaining or demonstrates a power (so no one underestimates my team). So let’s get it on.

Prep

Ok, first things first. This is space, the Heralds favorite battleground, and the battle is focused around a giant asteroid. So for my first move I’ll have Terrax shatter the asteroid. Here is is shattering a planet, so in this case it’ll be cake.

And now I have a battlefield full of weapons for Terrax since he can control the comets.

Battle

Terrax
Terrax will play support pelting and crushing the enemy between asteroids. Now, that might not do too much damage but being slammed between two house sized rocks will certainly slow you down. He’ll also be mixing it up with blasts of power cosmic. And just so everyone is clear on the extent of Terrax’s power to move rock, here is the feat where he lifts friggan Manhattan into space:

Stardust
Now, Stardust will be the pointman because it isn’t hurt by physical attacks and can reform it’s body.

Explaining it:

In practice:

And not only is Stardust incredibly durable, but powerful and fast as well. Here it is slamming Asteroth and Beta Ray through a planet’s core and the planet blowing up because of it:

Aside from the standard Herald abilities, Stardust can also open portals, and although I didn’t purchase BFR, the portals pull would certainly slow you down since you would have to avoid them of accidently BFR yourself from the battlefield. Here they are:

Morg
Ah Morg, what can I say about him that everyone doesn’t already know. Morg will back up Stardust, demolishing the opponent with powerful cosmic attacks.

Just for a power gauge - here he is cutting clean through Surfer’s board and subsequently destroying a planet with their impact:

Morg is my heavy hitter, I already posted a scan in the discussion thread of Surfer beating Cable, and Morg is Surfer’s better; in combat ESPECIALLY. The first time Surfer fought Morg, one zap from Morg was enough to down him. There’s no way he’s going down without a fight, and I still have 3 other Heralds supporting him.

Redshift
Finally we have Redshift. He’ll be running a general defense, slashing open portals to redirect and counter attacks:

And again, he has all the standard Herald powers as well, so he can also take over if things get dicey for Morg or Stardust.

In Conclusion
Anyway, I can see your guy standing up to ONE of my Heralds, but the fact is, he’s dealing with 4. Each with unique and powerful abilities on top of their already impressive power cosmic. There’s just no way he can repel an attack of this magnitude. I think you’re severely overestimating your character.

A word on the Phoenix Strategy...
I believe I read this somewhere in the rules...

"no one can be summoned, even from other dimensions, to help. The locations however do have their natural inhabitants (except evacuated cities), so characters who can control animals can still call on them to help. Opponents start on opposite sides of the battlefield. “

It’s flat out against the rules PERIOD.

Originally posted by Typhus

A word on the Phoenix Strategy...
I believe I read this somewhere in the rules...

"no one can be summoned, even from other dimensions, to help. The locations however do have their natural inhabitants (except evacuated cities), so characters who can control animals can still call on them to help. Opponents start on opposite sides of the battlefield. “

It’s flat out against the rules PERIOD. [/B]

Ah well, this was submitted to Evangiline before I finished my drafts, and again prior to my match. As far as I am concerned I am not summoning, but reestablishing a link to a power that rightfully belongs to Jean.

As last seen Jean and Phoenix truly merged with on another. This is seen, and stated in the comic and reinforced in bold print on the recent official bio. Incidentally the bio is also posted at the top of the page.

Like I stated before, I did not draft Jean with the phoenix force, but I did take advantage of the rule set. And re-establish her shattered mind which incidentally intertwines with the phoenix.

But if this is hard to swallow, I shall put it out like this. If Evan comes in and deems this as a violation, I concede to the match entirely.

So what, if you're instant win card doesn't work you quit? Huh... And Evangel doesn't NEED to come into this match and say anything because clearly its a violation of the rules. It failed in your match against King Kandy, so I have no idea why you are even trying it now. Besides, you don't even have Jeans mind, you only choose her BODY. You can't 'repair' something you never had to begin with.

Anyway you look at it, you're gaining a character for your team that you didn't draft - that breaks the rule about summoned help. By that logic I can have my Heralds send a signal to Galactus to some and devour the battlefield along with your character. Oh, I'm not summoning, I'm calling their master.

Anyway, I have to go out to dinner, I'll be back in a bit to debate.

Not to be arguing for id, but who is it that id is supposedly summoning?

The argument is, if I understand correctly, that you cannot reform a full Phoenix Force from Jean's body. There is some issue about Jean's mind being a piece of Phoenix so they are attempting to glue back the Phoenix Force and win with it.

Originally posted by Bentley
The argument is, if I understand correctly, that you cannot reform a full Phoenix Force from Jean's body. There is some issue about Jean's mind being a piece of Phoenix so they are attempting to glue back the Phoenix Force and win with it.

Not precisely, the problem is that he drafted Jean's body but not her mind, so Typhus is arguing about the body not being a part of the Phoenix Force at all.

Ah well now that what we know what my foe was cooking up. I see the strategic planning was a success. Throwing attacks to the astral projection that is existing in the physical world is pointless as killing your own shadow.

You see when I merged between planes I co-exist in both at the same time. Though the one that is existing retain the features of an astral projection. No amount of any kind of punishment, is going to damage something such as an astral projection.

Luckily a safe haven was set in order to deal with the four weaker opponents.

Weaker Opponents?
Yes I said it, WEAKER. X-Man inferior, at a weaken state could fend off the Silver Surfer crushing his board in the process. Cable has admitted inferiority to Nate Grey even, if was not hindered by the T.O. And the comic states it one step farther and claims he is the ONLY fully functioning Nate in any reality. Mind you this is before Nate Grey merged to become stronger with his alternate Self.

Shaman X-Man by himself, is a match for a Herald class character. Not by my own opinion alone, this is apparent as a general concession in KMC due to its Tier Ranking.

What has happened now?
I duplex Jean power, on top of Nate
Unleash his potential which destroyed, Transcendent Level character.

That alone should be suffice to show that The Rapture is above any Herald type at this point. I will let you do the rest of the guess work.

Bentley & Creshosk -

The idea is this: Currently Jean is searching for fragments of herself and the phoenix. These fragments hold power along with the mind of both Jean/Phoenix.

What I am doing is interlocking all the fragments to unify the mind. Thus re-establish the link with the Phoenix Force in the same processes.

Similar Idiris, and how Nate interlocked and reformed her fractured mind, I did the same with Jean.

Am I violating the rules?
No because I drafted Jean, and I am simply communing with Jean psyche.

Am I taking advantage of the rule set?
Yes it’s the last incarnation of the character. Incidentally Jean and Phoenix conscious are intertwined with one another.

Originally posted by Typhus
Besides, you don't even have Jeans mind, you only choose her BODY. You can't 'repair' something you never had to begin with.

All it takes is a stray thought, in the heat of the moment, to pull in the psionic essence that makes up Jean. This is the authentic Jean, minus the body (the body is a pisonic shell constructed by me). That’s how I got Jean and her Mind to work with.

Ok I just want to say, that if you think its going to take you a great deal of time to read what I write. It took me an even greater time to explain myself and pull out these scans. I am not a mind reader, and no one openly asks how I come up with my claims. So I am trying to cover all possible questions and leave no stone left unturned.

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Why quote, when I can simply post the image of my conversation. http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/3051/prepqy8.jpg

Ok I am going to address the phoenix issue for one final time. You cant say, I don’t source or mislead any information since I take one step farther and post scans along with sourcing the issue from where the claim came from. I cant possibly do much more, after all I did take in mind all constructive criticism to make changes, along with submitting prep for approval.

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Background information that you must keep in mind.
Jean and Phoenix are truly merged.

From the official bio.
2007 X-Men - Messiah Complex (Mutant Files)

Phoenix End Song
From Jeans and Phoenix comments and actions.

Jean and Phoenix retain memories of one another, problem is that its only fragments since it was shattered to billions of pieces.

Even if you dismiss the plausibility of interlocking a shattered mind that retains the phoenix conscious. The fact that Jean and Phoenix have merged down to a conscious level must be respected. If not, than there is no point in reading on.
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What did I do?
I recreated Jean. I drafted Jean, so I am not adding some one new to the list. Incidentally according to the rule set, since no organic manipulation is taking place, and its done through my own means. I should not be violating the rule set to begin with. But what is and isn’t a violation has become a hot topic.

How did I recreate Jean?
The same way a Madelyne Pryor, a fragment of the Goblin Force, and Gwen Stacy?

What are the mechanics behind recreating someone?
Nate needs to have memory of the person he wishes to recrate. From their it pulls the psinoic essence, in the psionic shell Nate has created. Because the psionic essence is among many things (the mind for instance), it takes a form and life of its own.

Is this hard to pull off?

No according to Nate, all it takes is a stray thought, in the heat of the moment for him do so.

Ok you have Jean Grey in front of you, now what?
Similar to Madelyne Pryor case, where she suffered from a shattered mind. So does Jean in front of the Rapture. What the Rapture goes on to do is pull off a feat, he has shown to do on Jean. To merge one fragmented mind across herself to reform it that is it.

You must keep in mind that Nate has pulled off this feat before, and so has Jean (since I can do any TP/TK feat done by Jean). I just choose Nate’s last and most impressive one where he reforms the shattered mind on a Multi-Versal scale.

So you commune with your self?
For God Sakes, yes!?!? I drafted Jean for 4 points, and I am now pulling her psinonic essence to re-create her, thus work with mind.

So what happens next, you merged right?
Yes Nate has shown the ability to merge. Nate has shown the ability to do so in 3 instances. No organic transmutation took place. This is because Jean is nothing more then an independent construct, formed from solidified energy and its psionic essence. The Rapture has become living energy, thanks to unleashing its full potential.

How does the Phoenix fit in?
If you read the above, Jean and Phoenix are merged down to a conscious level. Reforming her mind, is tied in with reforming the Phoenix as well. Why settle for having the Phoenix Conscious, when you have re-establish a link to the Force?

How can you be absolutely sure, that Jean and Phoenix retain memories from one another?
Aside from the fact that the comic state that they are merged.

Jean openly questions Phoenix if they have forgotten their mission, or in other words Jean remembers what Phoenix has forgotten. You also have the fact that the Phoenix retains memories of what happened in the future, where Jean goes of to obliterate an entire race (as shown in 4 issue arc Here Comes Tomorrow).

Wait so if you re-establish a link with the Phoenix you can call forth its power?
Apprently yes, the incident that took place in Here Comes Tomorrow.

Interference to the focal point at the top of her head, servers her connection to the Phoenix.
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/8670/07wj9.jpg

With her own telepathic power, and due to her natural affinity to the Phoenix, She re-establishes her link to the phoenix and calls forth its power.
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/8793/17ca7.jpg

Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe - Alternate Universes 2005
The incident is depicted and reinforced in the official bio.
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8001/19xq8.jpg

I’m surprised you’re still trying to put all your eggs in this Phoenix basket when it’s clearly ridiculous. I don’t know how much more clear I can make it. You’re trying to ‘re-establish a link’ that ISN'T THERE. Your character does not have Jean’s mind and cannot ‘reform the Phoenix’ to become whole. Your amalgam has Jean's body but is not Jean, simple as that. You’re totally misinterpreting how that’s been done before.

The fact is that the Phoenix is not in the battlefield before prep, and it CANNOT magically be in the battlefield after prep. Nice try, but this ‘rule bending’ is not as subtle as you’re trying to play it. It’s flat out breaking them and it’s ridiculous.

Anyway, addressing your Astral Projection. I seriously don’t understand what your scans prove. You have 3 seemingly unrelated events. So your character can exist in 2 planes at once. How exactly does that make my attacks useless? Surfer has used the power cosmic to simply disintegrate intangible enemies before. Shown here:

Child’s play.

And in your last scan Cable claims to be gaining energy from the astral plane, granted, but Hulk is still clearly hurting him. And Hulk has nowhere near the amount of versatility in power that my team has. Show me a scan of what you’re actually talking about and I’ll bite.

Anyway, forgive me if I sound ignorant, but I’m just a bit sketchy on the whole astral projection thing. I’ve shown that Stardust can basically open a portal to hell:

so how would this at all hinder my teams ability to combat you?

Finally, addressing your claim that locating your character would ‘be a task’ - well, to that I have two words: cosmic awareness.

I gained Jean Mind, by recreating Jean Grey. I thought I was clear on that?

I understand better now what Id wants to do, however, if he drafts Jean's body but not her mind, shouldn't getting her mind from the astral plane be summoning a new character?